Creed have broken up (1 Viewer)

[chung_sotheby]

Just happen to catch the wrap-up where David Cross basically slapped Stapp around like a red-headed step child. That guy is basically clueless when it comes to poker, and almost as much an embarrassment to the game of Texas Holdem as he is to rock and roll.

 

[Ike]

And on his new album, Cross takes Stapp on full head. The opening line of the bit is, "I can now say, for a fact, Scott Stapp...is an asshole." Paraphrasing.

 

[Michael Martin]

I'll be brave and say I like Creed.

Yep, I like 'em.

Only own 1 CD of theirs, and I don't listen to them heavily, but they sure hit the spot when I'm wanting something loud, heavy, but not depressing or going-postal-angry.

Having said that, I'm neutral on them breaking up. Reading between the lines, it appears that Stapp is the problem - a not uncommon thing in rock and pop bands, when one member gets most of the press and attention.

 

[Jeremy Anderson]

And now, Stapp can go back to his previous job: Scott Speedman's stunt double.

 

[chung_sotheby]

Don't you mean Scott Speedman's stunt double in gay porn movies? Aww, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE!

Anywho, I am guessing that Stapp's bible-thumping heavy-handed music grew a little old on the rest of the band, especially since Nickleback wrestled the "Worst Rock Band in the World" title from them and Creed could no longer compete with the sheep-dog lookalike.

 

[Tim Hoover]

Personally, I think Stapp and Speedman may be the same person, and it's the movie career that is irritating the other members of the band

 

[Matt Levy]

Thank G_D!!! These guys were the velveetas of watered-down rock. Scott Sapp thought he was G_D. If I have to hear that guy sing like he has marbles in his mouth again I will puke. They were rip-offs of better bands that preceded them. Sales don't equal talent - does Brittany Spears, Spice Girls, Bon Phony, Backdoor Boys and N-Stink's record sales mean they are talented or good? Puh-lease. Marketing, radio airplay and good looks seem to control who sells. We instead should be mourning the breakup of Phish, who have more talent in Trey Anastasio's pinky than the entire bunch of the bands listed above combined.

 

[Ike]

More like Micro$oft.

 

[RyanJP]

The broke up... huh. Well, I am somewhat surprised but at the same time glad.

 

[Evan S]

Show me once where I said that sales indicated talent. I said that these guys sold records and were good for the industry at large and I stand by that. How many times have you gone into a record store to buy an album only to see something else that caught your eye and you walk out with 3-4 discs?

That's what I am talking about. Everybody these days is enamored with the "indie" bands (as if NO sales = talent), but these bands don't create foot traffic in the stores. Face it, you need big selling bands and the smaller unknown bands to co-exist. The big bands that sell records allow for more people to get introduced to the smaller stuff. And I disagree that every band that sells records sucks. It's amazing that every band that sells records gets denegrated by the masses. Why? Are all of you guys so jealous of others success that you have to rip them at every turn? It's so childish it's not even funny. If you have a favorite band, stand on your soap box and shout, but don't rip on someone just because they are really successful because you would all trade places with these guys in a New York Minute.

 

[MikeDeVincenzo]

Bye Creed! If they had sold 10 records, I'd still be happy to see them go.

 

[chung_sotheby]

Wow, I guess we have found a Creed Fan! Just kidding, but in all seriousness, if a band is GOOD then they will not be shat upon like Creed has been. I don't see anyone awaiting the day when Prince, OutKast, Modest Mouse, Coldplay, Radiohead, Fountains of Wayne, or The White Stripes stop making music, as they have ALL enjoyed a modicum of success commercially as well as critically.
But all in all, I think that the hate towards Creed is more due to the spawn of emo-nu-metal bands that came about in their wake and the public's general disdain for that specific style of rock as opposed to a specific "hate" for the band itself.
But that Scott Stapp has a serious "G_D" complex. Enough with the self-deification

 

[Eric Peterson]

Well said Chung.

I don't remember anyone bashing "Led Zepplin", "The Beatles", "The Doors", "Johnny Cash", "Pearl Jam", "Nirvana", "Elton John", "David Bowie", "The Cure", "Tool" etc...etc...etc... when they started selling millions of albums nor is anyone saying it now. These are also cases of bands whose album sales were generated by a true love for the music and not based on the quantity of ads targeting the music buying masses. There will always be some hardcore fans that can't envision their favorite band being on the cover of "Rolling Stone" or selling out large arenas, but that's a different point completely.

In my opinion, the true sign of a great band is one that sells albums over a long period of time and without an excessive marketing push. Bands like "Tool" & "Radiohead" continue to top the charts whenever new albums are released and their back-catalogs continue to sell as well, but require very little marketing because the market already exists based on the music. Most people didn't love Creed, but they thought they did because it was crammed down their throat by MTV, the radio, Musicland, etc......

Creed albums will be availble by the dozens in clearance bins within a few years along with "NKOTB", "Color Me Bad", "White Lion", and the countless other 15 minute bands.

....and for clarification, I didn't start hating Creed after reading Billboard magazine. I hated them from the first time that I heard that no talent hack open his mouth. I can't describe Stapp nearly as well as David Cross can, but when he accused him of stealing his lyrics from 3rd grade girls, I thought it was very appropriate.

 

[Kevin M]

..that I think some of the posters are taking exception to. The only way that I could decipher this is that you are saying that since they sold records and made the industry money then they deserve respect and to this I completely disagree. As I said before, Barny has sold quite a few CD's "himself" but that doesn't mean I have to respect "him".
I am judging the band based on their talent and IMO any talent they have/had was borrowed from others and then mass marketed as pablum for the Mtv generation until the next cash cow comes along that they can shove down the young masses throats.

This is why many do go for "Indie" bands, many of them are putting it out there on their own for the love of the music, not the quick cash they can grab from consumer/pop junky children.

Now of course these are generalizations I am making in order to illustrate how I feel about respecting a band based on sales...I don't, there's more to it than that.

 

[Jeramy_K]

I actually enjoyed all 3 of their CD's. I guess I'm the minority though. I thought they were one of the best live shows that I've seen in recent years. I do agree though that Scott Stapp has issues. I don't think he can make it as a solo artist. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him reform Creed with new band members.

 

[Marc Colella]

I understand what you're saying, but I have to disagree.

You're still basing a "great band" on their sales (regardless of how small their marketing push is).
What does that say about someone as great as Aimee Mann for instance? She just doesn't sell many CDs, but she consistently puts out great music.

IMO, sales has NOTHING to do with quailty (be it music, film, art, etc).

 

[Marc Colella]

I understand what you're saying, but I have to disagree.

You're still basing a "great band" on their sales (regardless of how small their marketing push is).
What does that say about someone as great as Aimee Mann for instance? She just doesn't sell many CDs, but she consistently puts out great music.

IMO, sales has NOTHING to do with quailty (be it music, film, art, etc).

 

[Eric Peterson]

Marc,

You're right. It's not a sign of a great band, and that's not really the point that I was trying to make. I was trying to make the point that people continue to buy their albums years after they were released and that they continue to be relevant long after the marketing push is over. My comments could have been clearer.

I'm a huge Aimee Mann fan and her music falls into that same category. People still buy her catalog albums and "'til Tuesday" albums and you will see them stocked in most record stores. Bands like Creed and the others that I mentioned disappear from record stores or are quickly moved to the clearance bin because the demand disappears after the trend or marketing push dies down.

Hopefully that makes more sense. I agree that it has nothing to do with record sales but with the length of time that an artist remains valid. I feel the same way about movies. If people are still talking about it 20 years later then it's a great movie and no sooner.

 

[Eric Peterson]

Marc,

You're right. It's not a sign of a great band, and that's not really the point that I was trying to make. I was trying to make the point that people continue to buy their albums years after they were released and that they continue to be relevant long after the marketing push is over. My comments could have been clearer.

I'm a huge Aimee Mann fan and her music falls into that same category. People still buy her catalog albums and "'til Tuesday" albums and you will see them stocked in most record stores. Bands like Creed and the others that I mentioned disappear from record stores or are quickly moved to the clearance bin because the demand disappears after the trend or marketing push dies down.

Hopefully that makes more sense. I agree that it has nothing to do with record sales but with the length of time that an artist remains valid. I feel the same way about movies. If people are still talking about it 20 years later then it's a great movie and no sooner.

 

[Evan S]

EVERY band started out as an "indie" band. Say what you want about what Creed did on their second and third albums. I agree they capitalized and exploited an opportunity to water down their product and go for the easy $$$, but the first album is very good and obviously before that album hit it big, nobody had even heard of this band so to say that they had no talent at all is an over generalization as they had to have had SOME talent to write an album that came out of nowhere and sold millions of copies. I have no problem with those who find fault with what Creed did to exploit that opportunity as their second and third albums are pure garbage if you asked me, but that first album is good and I agree with other posters on this thread. I have seen Creed live and they were an outstanding live band.