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Crash in Somerset, Pennsylvania

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Brett_B, Sep 12, 2001.

  1. Brett_B

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    I have been trying to follow the developments in the other threads, but this topic keeps coming up with much speculation. I posted links, but from the amount of posts the links ended up being "buried".
    So I decided to start this thread so people could get information relating to this particular incident.
    Here are links to the local (Pittsburgh) newspapers about the Somerset crash
    Pittsburgh Post Gazette (http://www.post-gazette.com)
    Article: http://www.post-gazette.com/headline...cenenat4p3.asp
    Tribune Review (http://triblive.com)
    Article: http://triblive.com/news/news_story.html?rkey=170116+sid=0ada69cf931324a763 806f398c6e67e0+cat=news-regional-terrorism+related_name=+template=news1.html
    Local television:
    WTAE (Channel 4 - Pittsburgh)
    Link: http://www.wtaetv.com
    WPXI (Channel 11 - Pittsburgh)
    Link: http://www.pittsburgh.com/partners/wpxi/
     
  2. andrew markworthy

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    I must admit that this one has got me baffled. On Brit TV for quite some time we were told that the plane had crashed at what we were told was an official announcement that is was at an 'undisclosed location'. Later it was said that the plane had presumably been on the way to Camp David and had crashed short of its target.
    Curiously, on this evening's Brit TV news, there was plenty of coverage of the first three crashes, and absolutely nothing on the Somerset crash.
    The trouble with this level of silence is that it's going to attract a lot of needless speculation (e.g. 'what was at Somerset?' 'is the government covering things up?') which will deflect from the central and far more important issues.
     
  3. MickeS

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    Thanks for the links.
    Nothing in these stories indicate that the plane was shot down, but it says it was heading for Washington, DC.
    There is however mention of an explosion before the plane crashed:
     
  4. Richard Travale

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    Of course the hi-jackers said they have a bomb. What do you think would have happened if they said they had cardboard cutters? They wouldn't have made it out of their seats.
    I don't doubt for a second that they were shot down by Jet-fighters after the 911 call.
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  5. Brett_B

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    This is a very moving article about this from Washington Post:
     
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    Brett, I'm glad you started this thread.
    I have been in a meeting all day so I haven't had access to HFT all day and I notice that the last thread is now missing.
    It really bothers me that there has been so much wild speculation in the last threads about this plane being shot down.
    I'm especially bothered that people like say "one way or another we will never know if they shot it down." This is an extremely self-serving statement which unfounded rumors depend on to sustain life.
    I look at it this way, if there were military planes in the sky some one most likely would have seen the fighters in the sky.
    Come on people, this kind of wild unfounded speculation accomplishes nothing.
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  8. Rob Gillespie

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    Fellas, we've had problems with the threads over the past few days. The post counts weren't that high (relatively speaking), but we can only presume the number of hits to the main threads in this area was enormous. Certainly the posting activity in the main areas has been exceptionally slow.
    We will keep the main threads going and restart them when necessary, however the splinter discussions like this one are no problem either.
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  9. Ashley Seymour

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    I don't doubt for a second that they were shot down by Jet-fighters after the 911 call.
    I DO!
    My first thought when the initial images of the crater in the ground came in was that the passengers had gotten together and subdued at lease some of the hijackers. The cell calls from the two guys in the plane just bears out the prospect that there was a heroic struggle on the plane and that their action resulted in the crash and the failure of the mission.
    I can't think of any bigger heroes than the passengers on this flight.
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  10. Richard Travale

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    I heard on the radio this morning that there were witnesses to two military aircraft flying away after the crash. This is complete hearsay of course and I won't continue with it.
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    Tuesday, I heard interviews, on the radio, from folks in Pennsylvania, saying that they saw what looked like an F-15 fighter jet fly over right after the plane went down. I still believe that it was shot down.
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    One possibility is that military jets had been scrambled to prevent it from reaching Washington, but did not have time act before it went down for some other reason. Just a thought.
    Deane
     
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    I'm sure this is the case. Somehow the passengers either heard the plans from the hijackers or learned of the other attacks. They then decided to take action.
    They should all be given medals posthumously. As tragic as it was, it could have been even worse. These passengers prevented that.
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    Officials in southwestern Pennsylvania said they have identified and cordoned off a second debris site about 6 to 8 miles away from the crash site
    Hrm... wouldn't this indicate maybe something else happened?
     
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    JoeN,
    Where did you find that last piece of information at? I heard some interesting tidbits about this incident last night, but I want to find out more before I comment on it.
    Thanks
    Brett
     
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    Thanks, Joe.
    Last night while discussing this particular incident, I was told that Westmoreland County dispatched about 8 sheriff's deputies to the Latrobe Airport (Tuesday, after the plane went down in Somerset). When they arrived, the FBI were already there and they had ordered all personell out of the control tower, and that no one was permitted inside except for the FBI. Apparantly, the FBI did this to several surrounding airports in the area of Somerset (Johnstown was another).
    The person I was hearing this from used to work for the government (Pentagon). He said that the best way to take down a plane was to shoot the wing off (also said that would explain the eye-witness' reports of the plane rolling then going into a dive).
    I am wondering now if that this new site they discovered is actually part of a wing? I don't know, but now I am wondering.
    I still want to believe wholeheartedly that it was an act of heroism. I think if it is determined to be something else, I still think that those passengers are, indeed, heroes in my book.
    God bless them.
     
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    I wish the media would deal with these rumours.
    If someone just asked at a press conference "Was the plane in PA shot down by the US airforce?" and the answer is "No." I'd be satisfied. As it is now, they completely ignore it.
    /Mike
     

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