Casino: 10th Anniversary Edition 14th june (1 Viewer)

[Andrew Bunk]

With the DVD-18 I had, one of my cheaper Philips players actually made it through several spots that froze my better Pioneer player, but then it froze in other spots on the Philips.

 

[Bob clamer]

I understand what your all saying and agree. Now I just wish I could get "Carlito's Way UE" to play all the way thru. This seems to be the only disc I have ever had a problem with on any of my players.

 

[Andrew Bunk]

I have the Carlito's Way UE and have not watched it yet. I plan to this week. Thankfully, I still have the 2003 Collector's Edition, so if the UE doesn't play right, at least I can finish the movie.

 

[Bob clamer]

Andrew, you should be good for about 3/4 of the movie. From the time Carlito throws Benny down the stairs in the nightclub is where I started having problems.

 

[Ryan_TD]

As far as content/special features what is different between the dvd-18 "Anniversary" edition and the dvd-9 "Special" edition?

 

[Andrew Bunk]

The newer version only has the deleted scenes, commentary and one of the featurettes (can't remember which one). It's down in my HT-I will check it later. Pretty sure it's Casino: The Story though.

 

[CraigF]

Somebody mentioned checking these DVD-18's with CD Speed...does that work with DVD's? If so, I'll have to look for it.

I've been using Nero CD-DVD Speed for DVD-18's. I never mentioned it because I have issues with it. Since it's freeware and *possibly* (IME) useful, maybe we can talk about it a bit here, or in a better sub-forum if there is one for this.

It's less time-wasting and frustrating to run your discs through the scan, and if it finds bad parts to check those in your HT system first, before settling down to enjoy the movie. That is the theory anyway, and where I find CD-DVD Speed comes up short for me.

Most of the time, if CD-DVD Speed disc scan shows red boxes, the disc will have problems playing. That's what I've found based on the limited selection of bad DVD-18's (and one non-DVD-18, yeah, I've been lucky) I have here. OTOH, if the scan shows only yellow or green boxes, the disc will play fine. That's the results correlation using my PC DVD drive (for the test) and my system players.

The issue I have with CD-DVD Speed is it's very inaccurate as to where the bad chapters are. So far it has never accurately predicted the bad chapter(s). So it's been useless to use in the way I mentioned above that I had hoped to use the results. However, it is close, usually within +/- 1 chapter of the truly bad chapter(s). This could be a program bug, I have the newest version (I think!) and it's gone through numerous revisions.

If you have a VERY good ~8GB DVD-18, the whole disc scan may only take 2-3 minutes, depending on your drive. This result has very good correlation with DVD-18's that play flawlessly, which has been all of mine up until recently. Also, to repeat, any red scan boxes means the disc will not play properly *somewhere*...the best correlation I can come up with from the results. Yellow scan boxes aren't a problem, that I've found.

There has only been one counter-example to the above so far. That is The Frighteners, which plays perfectly (both sides) in my system and in my PC DVD drive, but CD-DVD Speed fails to complete a complete scan of Side A, fails somewhere on the far side of the layer change and hangs up at that spot. Side B scans in about 2 minutes and plays perfectly too.

There is no doubt my system drives are better than my PC drives, so CD-DVD Speed kinda gives a worst case scenario, not the last word. Better PC drives may correlate better, but it is probably best to use a PC scan drive somewhat worse than your HT system drive, as a safety factor.

CD-DVD Speed is fairly useful in that it did "detect" the 2 bad copies of Casino I have and the 2 bad copies of Dune. It also passed all the good DVD-18's, and I guess that could be the important part: the discs it said were good did in fact turn out to be good. So the issue is: where/when CD-DVD Speed says a disc is bad, it may not be bad but probably is, and at least you have some advance warning.

Edit: It's been a few months since I got CD-DVD Speed, and there is a newer version issued a few weeks ago. I'm pretty sure CD-DVD Speed is the same thing as CD Speed now, some just call it by the "old" name when the CD and DVD utilities were still separate.

 

[Andrew Bunk]

Well Bob I'm in the middle of Carlito's Way UE right now. Carlito throws Benny down the stairs right around the 69:00 mark, and I got a slight pause which I assume to be the layer change. Makes sense given the movie is about 1/2 over. So it definitely sounds like second layer issues for your disc. Here's hoping mine stays solid.

EDIT: Well I was able to finish the movie without issue. Not really interested in the special features for this one so I probably won't check the other side.

One weird thing was after the layer change, there would occassionally be a pop in the audio (DTS track), but when I would roll back it wouldn't occur again. I'm wondering if the player was having a hard time reading the disc after all. I've never had anything like that happen on any other disc or 5.1 cable I've watched.

 

[Paul Arnette]

CraigF,


Indeed the newest version is called Nero CD-DVD Speed. I think the shortcut it installed to my desktop on my computer at home is called Nero CDSpeed, and that is why I keep referring to it as such. I guess for accuracy's sake, I should start calling it Nero CD-DVD Speed.

 

[Andrew Bunk]

Question about Nero, I have CD-DVD speed. How long should a scan take? I popped in the bad Casino disc and it started a preliminary scan that lasted about 9 seconds, and the stopped saying it couldn't authorized scrambled section or something to that effect. Just wondering what that means.

 

[Paul Arnette]

Andrew,

I've never received an error like that with Nero CD-DVD Speed, however I may have received an error similar to that with DVDInfo Pro.

Anyway, try playing your DVD with your computer's DVD player (Power DVD, Win DVD, etc.) first (i.e. let it start up and then stop the player) and then re-run the scan. If that doesn't work, there may be some incompatibility with your DVD drive. Also, if your drive supports the Disc Quality scan run that scan as well.

Good luck.

 

[Andrew Bunk]

Thanks Paul. I've definitely been able to play the disc on my PC with PowerDVD, even through the trouble spots I knew of, but not immediately preceding the scan. I'll give it a shot, although it's mostly just for curiosity at this point.

 

[CraigF]

Thanks Paul.

Andrew: what Paul said, you have to "open" the disc somehow to get a proper scan, and I do use PowerDVD for that, then hit "Stop" on PDVD (or else it slows the scan down).

Paul: I thought Disc Quality only worked with burned discs. At least, it only works with burned discs in my PC DVD drives... It's actually the Quality test I originally wanted to use, but couldn't. Anybody else who uses this, does it work on your "commercial" discs too?

Speaking of Legacy "Dracula", take a look at the CD-DVD Scan Chapter listing of it, or Schindler's List. There is definitely some issues with how the program reports Chapters. Also, the Scan of Dracula is very interesting to listen to, the drive goes kinda weird...I put Post-It's on the scanned discs with little notes on how the scan went if it wasn't perfect (JIC the discs fail in the future in another player or something). I went through the notes, and generally the DVD's fail to play the chapter before CD-DVD Scan says they first start going bad.

Hey, I'm on my fourth copy of Dune, in fact the second of the day. Wal-Mart got more stock in after being out for a couple weeks. First one I got today had huge gashes on the surface and would not even load. Second one Scanned perfectly, and does superficially *look* very good, the best so far, it is MiM. I found out that they are not allowed to play customer's discs at the store where I bought it, only "authorised" discs, so no in-store disc testing.

Also, the latest version of CD-DVD Speed (4.11) killed my Dell/XP PC a couple of times yesterday, so back to 4.10 for me.

Edit: Fooled around with it a bit more, and I think it's just my PC DVD drives that don't support the Disc Quality for DVD's function after all, only works with CD's.

 

[Paul Arnette]

CraigF,

Yep. It sounds like your DVD burner is incompatible with Nero CD-DVD Speed's Disc Quality scan. If you find yourself in the market for a new DVD burner, I would recommened getting a BenQ, as they reportedly do very well with these type of scans. I have the BenQ DW-1655.

 

[Paul Arnette]

Whoops, double posted, please delete.

 

[Frank@N]

Got Casino 10th a while ago and decided to sell off my old copy.

On some level, I knew the new one wouldn't work 100%, but I still did it.

Put on side 2 and watched the extras last night...several skips..great.

I just pray to God the movie side works...Thanks Universal.

 

[Christian Preischl]

I got a new player a few weeks ago which plays fine over the layer change (unlike my old player which completely froze at that point). Of course, about 10 min. later it started to skip and freeze as well. :frowning: I know that there's a single disc edition with the new transfer, and I already considered buying it to accompany my DVD-18 edition (the bonus side works fine) but then I figured: Why should I give Universal my money twice just because they sold a flawed product?

 

[Jesse Skeen]

Yep, this is a BIG problem title- I went through 3 copies and each had a glitch at some point. The store wouldn't take back any more copies so I sent it to Universal and they sent me one that works. The good one has "Made In Mexico" visible on side 2, the 3 bad ones didn't. Great disc, if you can get a working copy. I see they've put out a new disc that's only 1-sided and has one of the extras squeezed onto that with the movie, but the rest of them are left out. Don't know if this was a temporary fix or if that's the only version that's going to be available from now on.

 

[Ben J Loews]

Hello.

I live in the UK and I have the R1 dual sided release of Casino which doesn't play properly at all on my new player, the first half of the film plays ok it seems, but after the layer change all hell breaks loose...

My question is, is there anything I can do to somehow get an exchange of some sorts bearing in mind I live outside the US...?

As a last resort I heard that Universal have re-issued the title as a single sided disk minus the extras with the same transfer. Does anyone have a direct retailer link with the product serial number so I can find it myself from a retailer that I use?

Thanks so much.

Ben.

 

[Kris Z.]

This is the single-sided, dual-layered edition.