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Discussion in 'TV Shows' started by mattCR, Jan 24, 2009.

  1. mattCR

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    News is beginning to come out regarding the upcoming new series in the Battlestar Galactica Universe.

    'Battlestar Galactica' veterans move on to 'Caprica' | The Watcher

    Jane Espenson, of Buffy / Angel / etc. fame, also a writer of several eps of Battlestar will be the show runner on the new series "Caprica" set as a prequel to Battlestar Galactica.


    I'm just not sure how they can place the creation of the cylons so close - only 50 years before the current series. I thought they had made peace with the Cylons after a first war, and this was the second where they were nuked out of their homes.

    Am I remembering wrong? (because here was thought in "razor" that the violation of the neutral territory may have started the war?)
     
  2. Jason Seaver

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    Well, it's also got to be close enough that Adama could have served in it, and this does sound like the time frame mentioned way back in the miniseries.

    Anyway, good to see Jane Espenson getting the big chair; I'd argue that she was the best writer on Buffy during that series' latter years and has done great work since. Looks like this means her time working on Dollhouse is short.
     
  3. Joseph Bolus

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    The first Cylon/Colonial war took place 40 years prior to the start of the BSG miniseries. So this series is apparently starting 10 years before the first war.

    That sounds like a reasonable time frame.

    Of course, it has yet to be explained as to how Cylons could have made up the entire 13th Colony 2000 years ago. Hopefully that will be explained before the conclusion of BSG's fourth season. I suppose it will be part of that whole "All this has happened before and will happen again" mythology.
     
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    Actually, the timeframe of the series has it set only a year or so before the First Cylon War erupts -- the pilot opens 51 years prior to the BSG miniseries, and it was established that the first war lasted 10 years (ending 41 years before the original show, per the Razor flashbacks).

    So, we're looking at roughly a decade-long conflict against the toasters, with L'il Willie Adams becoming "Husker" just in time to get shot down over that ice planet (Zero?). Given that the first series stretched its first two seasons over just six months of in-universe time, I'm confident that we'll still get plenty of juicy pre-war stories over that year across a number of seasons, long before the big "booms" start going off.

    Incidentally, the entire Caprica pilot script had been posted online (draft dated 10/6/06) by a particular website, which is still hosting Ron Moore's Virtuality pilot script, but it looks like it recently got pulled off there by the studio in the past week or so.

    Lots of great stuff in it. According to RDM, not much really changed from his early drafts to the final shooting version, which means that it was a likely foretaste of what will eventually hit the airwaves, come next year. In fact, the recent clip posted by Sci-Fi online (depicting Eric Stoltz investigating his daughter Zoe's death in a virtual nightclub) was exactly word-for-word identical to the scene as it appeared in the script.
     
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    When was that mentioned? I don't remember that.
     
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    It's been mentioned at several points in the series to date when conversations came up about the war, and the excellent BSG Wiki has an article on the conflict.

    Interestingly, according to the wiki, the war actually lasts some twelve-and-a-half years, but that's using real-world Terran date-conversions (ending with the armistice on the 4,571st day, per Razor), which may or may not correspond to the celestial dating conventions used in the Twelve Colonies.

    In other words, ten years there might (very roughly) equal 12.5 years here.
     
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    My question is, how prevalent will technology be in this series? BSG got off light in a lot of areas because they went with the idea that the Cylons could hack into any network, etc. and that's why everything had to be hard-wired. So, given the timeframe here, I'd expect to see a lot of technology in play, otherwise they better have a VERY good explaination, again.
     
  8. Mikah Cerucco

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    For me, the technology is the least interesting aspect of the show. I care only to the degree that it helps set the mood/environment. The exterior establishing shots of Galactica and the fleet helped set the tone. Showing an FTL jump here and there helped as well. I don't care how their computers and networks work unless it's integral to the story they're telling. Hopefully they don't feel the need to go back to the traditional view of what Science Fiction is. I'll take solid characters and story over dilithium crystals and warp drive anyday.
     
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    Well, a key plot-point seems to be (from the trailer) the creation of artificial life-forms, so I would say technology will play a major role. Perhaps not in the "whiz-bang" sense, but rather the same way technology impacts modern society (the ubiquitous iPod, for example).
     
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    First, BSG is not the only sci-fi show to sport solid characters. I think too often lately people confuse low lighting and dark tones with the only way to tell a good sci-fi story.

    But, second, it DOES need to make technology more apparent in this series, if it's to be honest.

    Remember, this is before the first Cyclon war, so to be true to its own mythos, I'd expect to see all sorts of AI floating around - from robots carrying things to computers talking to military and political figures, etc. It's because of the Cyclons going all Skynet on them that they turn away from it. At this point in their history, they'd be replete with AI and robotics, etc.

    So, while I'm certain they'll tell an interesting tale, I'm not so sure they'll tell an honest one.
     
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    Just a minor point and I'm not sure if this has been discussed before.

    Since there are/were 12 coloniels then presumably each one would have a different orbit around thier home star meaning each of the 12 colonies would have varying lengths of what a "year" is. They must have established a standard as to how long a "year" is. If they did do that then how would each planet make up for the difference to what the standard was and what the actual length of a paticular orbit is? After all the reason the concept of a year was created was so that farmers would know when to plant thier crops.

    I suppose that they could get around that by establishing 2 definitions of time. One as a standard for all the colonies as a whole and a second for each of all the individual planets in the colonies. That has got to get confusing trying to keep track of 13 total definitions of time.
     
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    Sort of a "zulu-time," but for years.
     
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    The whole idea that there are 12 habitable planets to begin with is really not possible. Look at how far our nine planets are spaced apart, and how different they are. Unless the Colonial system has planets where humans live beneath domes or in the upper atmospheres of gas giants, there is really no way to make the concept work. If you move orbits too close together you will have tidal friction making the orbits unstable.

    The year is probably the Capircan year, since I believe that was the capital planet. The other colonies would probably have their own, but as I said, you're not going to be planting crops on a planet much beyond the distance of where Mars is in our solar system, or much closer than Venus.
     
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    That makes total sense. I am not completly knowledgable about the BSG universe, but I always assumed that the 12 colonies implied 12 different planets. I also assumed that these 12 planet revolved around more than one star. Perhaps even 12 different stars. Making the colonies meaning 12 star systems. It dosen't make sense to me for all 12 colonies to have inhabited the same planet. Unless all those colonies really meant different countries. But then perhaps I just dont know enough about BSG mythos.
     
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    Interestingly, in the early draft of the miniseries script, RDM had the "Twelve Colonies of Kobol" actually being twelve different nation-states on the planet Kobol, which then got attacked by the Cylons as we see onscreen. This would've significantly affected the direction of the show, as there would've been no "ancient homeworld" of Kobol to rediscover later on, as we got at the end of Season 1, and it would've confined humanity to just the one world.

    As a matter of fact, when you read the script, very, very little actually changed from what eventually hit the screen, apart from stuff like the Adama/Leoben fight at Ragnar being much more expensive-looking on the page, and a few other minor alterations here and there.

    (Part 2 can be read here.)
     
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    The Caprica pilot to hit DVD on 4/21.

    Very nice. Looks like we're gonna get to see it very, very soon after all.

    From the official Universal press release:

     
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    Nice. These "screeners" can work. It's what got me hooked on Heroes before the show actually aired, whereas I anticipated it being a cheap 4400 knockoff before actually seeing it.
     
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    They can work if you stick them for free in a cereal box, or package them with another DVD set. I can't say I'm excited about the idea of paying $26 for the pilot to a show I've never seen.
     
  19. Mikah Cerucco

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    I doubt you'll have to. That's a list price. Also, there's always rental.
     
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    I'm renting it simply because if I like it, I'll pick up the S1 set down the road.
     

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