harveytwh
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OK, so I've been gradually working on getting a whole setup - this
will be the first time I ever get an HDTV, surround AV receiver, or
Blu-Ray player. I've got most of the info I need, but some specifics
are driving me nuts because I can only figure out so much in stores or
from specifications/manuals.
If I am making a faux pas by posting a thread, sorry - perhaps point
me to where I need to look.
I'm looking at various TVs, probably LCD, about 46-52".
Most of what I am concerned about is getting things to work well with
older, SD media. I am hooking up a lot of stuff like old video game
consoles, laserdisc player, VCR, and plenty and plenty of SD cable and
DVDs. Here's where I'm having trouble:
-Overscan. I thought that was a thing of the past, but it looks like
many TVs do it for every resolution (including 1080). It's not the
most important thing, I suppose, but I'd like to find a TV that never
does it or at least can turn it off. I seriously do not mind seeing
the edge material that sometimes shows up, especially in old TV shows.
It's kind of neat. But I can't tell which brands do what.
-Interlacing. Given the amount of video games and TV shows (and
interlaced recorded content) I'll be watching in addition to
progressive scan, I want this to work really well. I don't want
jaggies, I certainly don't want flickering effects to screw up. I was
able to test this in stores with a game that uses interlacing for a
shimmering flicker (which is why I mention it a lot), and it looked
like some brands just did it better - but one that consistently did
well suddenly failed and gave me a static alternating pattern when I
tried it later. Is it some sort of setting? Would any TV be able to do
this well if I find that setting?
-Upscaling quality. I imagine for live action I can't go wrong... but
for video games, some TVs just look more smoothed out and blended.
Some seem to blur things horizontally, or get a vertical stripe
pattern. I don't know why. (Also, in addition to upscaling 480-line
stuff regularly, I have a lot of letterboxed laserdiscs I'd want to
zoom in on too, thus creating a 1080/360 = 3x upscale. Hopefully that
won't look horrible.)
-Variable zoom. I have not seen a feature like this on any TV or
receiver I've looked at. This would be most useful for movies on
non-anamorphic DVDs, tapes, laserdiscs that are between 4:3 and 16:9,
like a 1.66 aspect. I don't want to windowbox but I don't want to cut
the top and bottom off either, so I want something like I've seen on some
DVD players - zoom in incrementally until it just fits, with the sides
pillarboxed appropriately. Is this a feature found anywhere?
It also occurs to me that it may be a receiver that I should rely on
for these things, then use its HD output straight to the TV (for
example, in 1080i). This really compounds the issue, especially as I
can't sit there and test every combination (or, so far, any at all).
Are the receivers any better at all that?
There are other things I'm looking at, of course, but most of them I
can tell from specifications and manuals. How many inputs they have,
including VGA and USB stuff. How many digital sound inputs on the
receiver in particular, since I want a lot (many for laserdisc), and
how they get assigned. That's not anything I have to ask about here.
As for Blu, I can depend more on the manuals too.
The models of TV I was looking at were narrowed down mostly from the
interlacing question and general impressions I got. I really liked the
Toshiba XV645U (in whatever size), with interlace flicker all right,
good inputs, good high motion, but not perfect overscan. The
Panasonics (TC-P58S1 I think was one?) seemed better at disabling
overscan, and even better with the interlacing (until I tried it one
later time and it failed, suggesting it may be a setting), but its
ins/outs weren't quite as great. Each had some drawbacks to the
upscaling. Most other brands I tried did a terrible job with the
interlacing, but again, if that works better once I change a setting,
I could consider many more. For receivers, I've mostly been going by
input count and maximizing what buttons and display items there are -
I had liked what I saw with some middle end Sonys but I could look at
anything.
That's all for now... I hope I can get some guidance soonish!
will be the first time I ever get an HDTV, surround AV receiver, or
Blu-Ray player. I've got most of the info I need, but some specifics
are driving me nuts because I can only figure out so much in stores or
from specifications/manuals.
If I am making a faux pas by posting a thread, sorry - perhaps point
me to where I need to look.
I'm looking at various TVs, probably LCD, about 46-52".
Most of what I am concerned about is getting things to work well with
older, SD media. I am hooking up a lot of stuff like old video game
consoles, laserdisc player, VCR, and plenty and plenty of SD cable and
DVDs. Here's where I'm having trouble:
-Overscan. I thought that was a thing of the past, but it looks like
many TVs do it for every resolution (including 1080). It's not the
most important thing, I suppose, but I'd like to find a TV that never
does it or at least can turn it off. I seriously do not mind seeing
the edge material that sometimes shows up, especially in old TV shows.
It's kind of neat. But I can't tell which brands do what.
-Interlacing. Given the amount of video games and TV shows (and
interlaced recorded content) I'll be watching in addition to
progressive scan, I want this to work really well. I don't want
jaggies, I certainly don't want flickering effects to screw up. I was
able to test this in stores with a game that uses interlacing for a
shimmering flicker (which is why I mention it a lot), and it looked
like some brands just did it better - but one that consistently did
well suddenly failed and gave me a static alternating pattern when I
tried it later. Is it some sort of setting? Would any TV be able to do
this well if I find that setting?
-Upscaling quality. I imagine for live action I can't go wrong... but
for video games, some TVs just look more smoothed out and blended.
Some seem to blur things horizontally, or get a vertical stripe
pattern. I don't know why. (Also, in addition to upscaling 480-line
stuff regularly, I have a lot of letterboxed laserdiscs I'd want to
zoom in on too, thus creating a 1080/360 = 3x upscale. Hopefully that
won't look horrible.)
-Variable zoom. I have not seen a feature like this on any TV or
receiver I've looked at. This would be most useful for movies on
non-anamorphic DVDs, tapes, laserdiscs that are between 4:3 and 16:9,
like a 1.66 aspect. I don't want to windowbox but I don't want to cut
the top and bottom off either, so I want something like I've seen on some
DVD players - zoom in incrementally until it just fits, with the sides
pillarboxed appropriately. Is this a feature found anywhere?
It also occurs to me that it may be a receiver that I should rely on
for these things, then use its HD output straight to the TV (for
example, in 1080i). This really compounds the issue, especially as I
can't sit there and test every combination (or, so far, any at all).
Are the receivers any better at all that?
There are other things I'm looking at, of course, but most of them I
can tell from specifications and manuals. How many inputs they have,
including VGA and USB stuff. How many digital sound inputs on the
receiver in particular, since I want a lot (many for laserdisc), and
how they get assigned. That's not anything I have to ask about here.
As for Blu, I can depend more on the manuals too.
The models of TV I was looking at were narrowed down mostly from the
interlacing question and general impressions I got. I really liked the
Toshiba XV645U (in whatever size), with interlace flicker all right,
good inputs, good high motion, but not perfect overscan. The
Panasonics (TC-P58S1 I think was one?) seemed better at disabling
overscan, and even better with the interlacing (until I tried it one
later time and it failed, suggesting it may be a setting), but its
ins/outs weren't quite as great. Each had some drawbacks to the
upscaling. Most other brands I tried did a terrible job with the
interlacing, but again, if that works better once I change a setting,
I could consider many more. For receivers, I've mostly been going by
input count and maximizing what buttons and display items there are -
I had liked what I saw with some middle end Sonys but I could look at
anything.
That's all for now... I hope I can get some guidance soonish!