Buffy Season 1: Any Spoilers in Special Features? (1 Viewer)

[Kevin Grey]

After watching the crossover episodes, I have to say that I have a *helluva* lot more sympathy for Angel than for Buffy.

The Angel episodes "Five by Five" and "Sanctuary" were pretty damn stellar.

 

[Chip_HT]

Here's my tentative list of the Buffy/Angel correspondence. It's mostly 1-to-1 for the first couple of seasons. I try to keep continued shows together. It might be off a little in the last couple of seasons. I'm going through both shows in order, now that I've finally gotten all of the DVDs. I'm currently rewatching B5/A2.

The only one that really matters for cross-show continuity in 7/4 is:
79. 4-13 4ADH13 05-Mar-2003 Salvage
80. 4-14 4ADH14 12-Mar-2003 Release
139. 7-17 7ABB17 25-Mar-2003 Lies My Parents Told Me
81. 4-15 4ADH15 19-Mar-2003 Orpheus

UPN screwed up on airing the Buffy ep.

Season 4/Angel Season 1
1. 1-1 1ADH01 05-Oct-1999 City Of
57. 4-1 4ABB01 05-Oct-1999 The Freshman
58. 4-2 4ABB02 12-Oct-1999 Living Conditions
2. 1-2 1ADH02 12-Oct-1999 Lonely Hearts
59. 4-3 4ABB03 19-Oct-1999 The Harsh Light of Day
3. 1-3 1ADH03 19-Oct-1999 In the Dark
60. 4-4 4ABB04 26-Oct-1999 Fear, Itself
4. 1-4 1ADH04 26-Oct-1999 I Fall to Pieces
61. 4-5 4ABB05 02-Nov-1999 Beer Bad
5. 1-5 1ADH05 02-Nov-1999 Rm w/a Vu
62. 4-6 4ABB06 09-Nov-1999 Wild At Heart
6. 1-6 1ADH06 09-Nov-1999 Sense & Sensitivity
63. 4-7 4ABB07 16-Nov-1999 The Initiative
7. 1-7 1ADH07 16-Nov-1999 Bachelor Party
64. 4-8 4ABB08 23-Nov-1999 Pangs (1)
8. 1-8 1ADH08 23-Nov-1999 I Will Remember You (2)
65. 4-9 4ABB09 30-Nov-1999 Something Blue
9. 1-9 1ADH09 30-Nov-1999 Hero
10. 1-10 1ADH10 14-Dec-1999 Parting Gifts
66. 4-10 4ABB10 14-Dec-1999 Hush
67. 4-11 4ABB11 18-Jan-2000 Doomed
11. 1-11 1ADH11 18-Jan-2000 Somnambulist
68. 4-12 4ABB12 25-Jan-2000 A New Man
12. 1-12 1ADH12 25-Jan-2000 Expecting
13. 1-13 1ADH13 08-Feb-2000 She
69. 4-13 4ABB13 08-Feb-2000 The I In Team
70. 4-14 4ABB14 15-Feb-2000 Goodbye Iowa
14. 1-14 1ADH14 15-Feb-2000 I've Got You Under My Skin
15. 1-15 1ADH15 22-Feb-2000 The Prodigal
71. 4-15 4ABB15 22-Feb-2000 This Year's Girl (1)
72. 4-16 4ABB16 29-Feb-2000 Who Are You? (2)
16. 1-16 1ADH16 29-Feb-2000 The Ring
73. 4-17 4ABB17 04-Apr-2000 Superstar
17. 1-17 1ADH17 04-Apr-2000 Eternity
74. 4-18 4ABB18 25-Apr-2000 Where the Wild Things Are
75. 4-19 4ABB19 02-May-2000 New Moon Rising
18. 1-18 1ADH18 25-Apr-2000 Five by Five (1)
19. 1-19 1ADH19 02-May-2000 Sanctuary (2)
76. 4-20 4ABB20 09-May-2000 The Yoko Factor (1)
77. 4-21 4ABB21 16-May-2000 Primeval (2)
78. 4-22 4ABB22 23-May-2000 Restless
20. 1-20 1ADH20 09-May-2000 War Zone
21. 1-21 1ADH21 16-May-2000 Blind Date
22. 1-22 1ADH22 23-May-2000 To Shanshu in L.A.

Season 5/Angel Season 2
79. 5-1 5ABB01 26-Sep-2000 Buffy vs. Dracula
23. 2-1 2ADH01 26-Sep-2000 Judgment
80. 5-2 5ABB02 03-Oct-2000 Real Me
24. 2-2 2ADH02 03-Oct-2000 Are You Now or Have You Ever Been
81. 5-3 5ABB03 10-Oct-2000 The Replacement
25. 2-3 2ADH03 10-Oct-2000 First Impressions
82. 5-4 5ABB04 17-Oct-2000 Out of My Mind
26. 2-4 2ADH04 17-Oct-2000 Untouched
83. 5-5 5ABB05 24-Oct-2000 No Place Like Home
27. 2-5 2ADH05 24-Oct-2000 Dear Boy
84. 5-6 5ABB06 07-Nov-2000 Family
28. 2-6 2ADH06 07-Nov-2000 Guise Will Be Guise
85. 5-7 5ABB07 14-Nov-2000 Fool for Love
29. 2-7 2ADH07 14-Nov-2000 Darla
86. 5-8 5ABB08 21-Nov-2000 Shadow
30. 2-8 2ADH08 21-Nov-2000 The Shroud of Rahmon
87. 5-9 5ABB09 28-Nov-2000 Listening to Fear
31. 2-9 2ADH09 28-Nov-2000 The Trial
88. 5-10 5ABB10 19-Dec-2000 Into the Woods
32. 2-10 2ADH10 19-Dec-2000 Reunion
89. 5-11 5ABB11 09-Jan-2001 Triangle
33. 2-11 2ADH11 16-Jan-2001 Redefinition
90. 5-12 5ABB12 23-Jan-2001 Checkpoint
34. 2-12 2ADH12 23-Jan-2001 Blood Money
91. 5-13 5ABB13 06-Feb-2001 Blood Ties
35. 2-13 2ADH13 06-Feb-2001 Happy Anniversary
92. 5-14 5ABB14 13-Feb-2001 Crush
36. 2-14 2ADH14 13-Feb-2001 The Thin Dead Line
93. 5-15 5ABB15 20-Feb-2001 I Was Made to Love You
94. 5-16 5ABB16 27-Feb-2001 The Body
37. 2-15 2ADH15 20-Feb-2001 Reprise
38. 2-16 2ADH16 27-Feb-2001 Epiphany
95. 5-17 5ABB17 17-Apr-2001 Forever
39. 2-17 2ADH17 17-Apr-2001 Disharmony
96. 5-18 5ABB18 24-Apr-2001 Intervention
40. 2-18 2ADH18 24-Apr-2001 Dead End
97. 5-19 5ABB19 01-May-2001 Tough Love
98. 5-20 5ABB20 08-May-2001 Spiral
99. 5-21 5ABB21 15-May-2001 The Weight of the World
100. 5-22 5ABB22 22-May-2001 The Gift
41. 2-19 2ADH19 01-May-2001 Belonging
42. 2-20 2ADH20 08-May-2001 Over the Rainbow
43. 2-21 2ADH21 15-May-2001 Through the Looking Glass
44. 2-22 2ADH22 22-May-2001 There's No Place Like Plrtz Glrb

Season 6 UPN/Angel Season 3
45. 3-1 3ADH01 24-Sep-2001 Heartthrob
46. 3-2 3ADH03 01-Oct-2001 That Vision Thing
101. 6-1 6ABB01 02-Oct-2001 Bargaining (1)
102. 6-2 6ABB02 02-Oct-2001 Bargaining (2)
103. 6-3 6ABB03 09-Oct-2001 After Life
47. 3-3 3ADH02 08-Oct-2001 That Old Gang of Mine
48. 3-4 3ADH04 15-Oct-2001 Carpe Noctem
104. 6-4 6ABB04 16-Oct-2001 Flooded
49. 3-5 3ADH05 22-Oct-2001 Fredless
105. 6-5 6ABB05 23-Oct-2001 Life Serial
50. 3-6 3ADH06 29-Oct-2001 Billy
106. 6-6 6ABB06 30-Oct-2001 All The Way
51. 3-7 3ADH07 05-Nov-2001 Offspring
107. 6-7 6ABB07 06-Nov-2001 Once More, With Feeling
52. 3-8 3ADH08 12-Nov-2001 Quickening
108. 6-8 6ABB08 13-Nov-2001 Tabula Rasa
53. 3-9 3ADH09 19-Nov-2001 Lullaby
109. 6-9 6ABB09 20-Nov-2001 Smashed
110. 6-10 6ABB10 27-Nov-2001 Wrecked
54. 3-10 3ADH10 10-Dec-2001 Dad
111. 6-11 6ABB11 08-Jan-2002 Gone
55. 3-11 3ADH11 14-Jan-2002 Birthday
56. 3-12 3ADH12 21-Jan-2002 Provider
112. 6-12 6ABB12 29-Jan-2002 Doublemeat Palace
57. 3-13 3ADH13 04-Feb-2002 Waiting in the Wings
113. 6-13 6ABB13 05-Feb-2002 Dead Things
114. 6-14 6ABB14 12-Feb-2002 Older and Far Away
58. 3-14 3ADH14 18-Feb-2002 Couplet
59. 3-15 3ADH15 25-Feb-2002 Loyalty
115. 6-15 6ABB15 26-Feb-2002 As You Were
60. 3-16 3ADH16 04-Mar-2002 Sleep Tight
116. 6-16 6ABB16 05-Mar-2002 Hell's Bells
117. 6-17 6ABB17 12-Mar-2002 Normal Again
61. 3-17 3ADH17 15-Apr-2002 Forgiving
62. 3-18 3ADH18 22-Apr-2002 Double or Nothing
63. 3-19 3ADH19 29-Apr-2002 The Price
118. 6-18 6ABB18 30-Apr-2002 Entropy
64. 3-20 3ADH20 06-May-2002 A New World
65. 3-21 3ADH21 13-May-2002 Benediction
66. 3-22 3ADH22 20-May-2002 Tomorrow
119. 6-19 6ABB19 07-May-2002 Seeing Red
120. 6-20 6ABB20 14-May-2002 Villains
121. 6-21 6ABB21 21-May-2002 Two to Go (1)
122. 6-22 6ABB22 21-May-2002 Grave (2)

Season 7/Angel Season 4
123. 7-1 7ABB01 24-Sep-2002 Lessons
124. 7-2 7ABB02 01-Oct-2002 Beneath You
67. 4-1 4ADH01 06-Oct-2002 Deep Down
125. 7-3 7ABB03 08-Oct-2002 Same Time, Same Place
68. 4-2 4ADH02 13-Oct-2002 Ground State
126. 7-4 7ABB04 15-Oct-2002 Help
69. 4-3 4ADH03 20-Oct-2002 The House Always Wins
127. 7-5 7ABB05 22-Oct-2002 Selfless
70. 4-4 4ADH04 27-Oct-2002 Slouching Toward Bethlehem
71. 4-5 4ADH05 03-Nov-2002 Supersymmetry
128. 7-6 7ABB06 05-Nov-2002 Him
72. 4-6 4ADH06 10-Nov-2002 Spin the Bottle
129. 7-7 7ABB07 12-Nov-2002 Conversations with Dead People
130. 7-8 7ABB08 19-Nov-2002 Sleeper
131. 7-9 7ABB09 26-Nov-2002 Never Leave Me
132. 7-10 7ABB10 17-Dec-2002 Bring On The Night
133. 7-11 7ABB11 07-Jan-2003 Showtime
73. 4-7 4ADH07 17-Nov-2002 Apocalypse, Nowish
74. 4-8 4ADH08 15-Jan-2003 Habeas Corpses
134. 7-12 7ABB12 21-Jan-2003 Potential
75. 4-9 4ADH09 22-Jan-2003 Long Day's Journey
76. 4-10 4ADH10 29-Jan-2003 Awakening
135. 7-13 7ABB13 04-Feb-2003 The Killer In Me
77. 4-11 4ADH11 05-Feb-2003 Soulless
136. 7-14 7ABB14 11-Feb-2003 First Date
78. 4-12 4ADH12 12-Feb-2003 Calvary
137. 7-15 7ABB15 18-Feb-2003 Get It Done
138. 7-16 7ABB16 25-Feb-2003 Storyteller
79. 4-13 4ADH13 05-Mar-2003 Salvage
80. 4-14 4ADH14 12-Mar-2003 Release
139. 7-17 7ABB17 25-Mar-2003 Lies My Parents Told Me
81. 4-15 4ADH15 19-Mar-2003 Orpheus
82. 4-16 4ADH16 26-Mar-2003 Players
83. 4-17 4ADH17 02-Apr-2003 Inside Out
84. 4-18 4ADH18 09-Apr-2003 Shiny Happy People
140. 7-18 7ABB18 15-Apr-2003 Dirty Girls
85. 4-19 4ADH19 16-Apr-2003 The Magic Bullet
86. 4-20 4ADH20 23-Apr-2003 Sacrifice
141. 7-19 7ABB19 29-Apr-2003 Empty Places
87. 4-21 4ADH21 30-Apr-2003 Peace Out
88. 4-22 4ADH22 07-May-2003 Home
142. 7-20 7ABB20 06-May-2003 Touched
143. 7-21 7ABB21 13-May-2003 End of Days
144. 7-22 7ABB22 20-May-2003 Chosen

 

[Kevin Grey]

Wow, awesome list, Chip. Thanks!

Just finished Season Four. My feelings are a bit mixed. I loved the arc storyline about 2/3 of the way but then it all just petered out. The "big bad" was a huge disappointment and way too much about The Initiative
was revealed too early. It was very, very cool when it was all a mystery and then, all of a sudden, not so cool anymore.

And if you need any reminding of just how pervasive a cultural influence "The Matrix" was in the year or so after its release you need only watch the final ten minutes of "Primeval" which are already more horribly dated than even the earliest episodes of the series.

What I did really enjoy where the character arcs. They seemed completely natural considering the change in surroundings and unlike the beginning of Season Three, I never felt anyone was out of character. It wasn't nearly as heavy or as angst-ridden as Seasons 2 & 3 but to try and match that would have been an un-natural fit and forced.

I also liked seeing a bit more ambition on the part of the cinematography and the directing. Wheedon was certainly at the forefront with "Hush" and "Restless" but most of the episodes were wonderfully filmed.

All in all, definitely not up to Seasons 2 & 3 but still very, very enjoyable.

 

[Chuck Mayer]

Kevin,
That was my thought about the Initiative as well. They basically revealed everything in about two episodes.

And Whedon has gone on record as stating The Matrix is his favorite movie evAR, so keep that in mind.

As for Buffy on Angel, she's always a whiny, one-note bitch on Angel, but give her a break. It's the writers

,
Chuck

 

[Kevin Grey]

Heh, she was a bit nicer on the follow-up episode of Buffy

The decision to spin-off Angel was a great idea. Angel is a much more fascinating character to me when he's not "Buffy's Boyfriend." I mentioned above about how much I like Cordelia, and by the end of Angel S1, Wes was really growing on me too. While the Angel S1 arc was relatively weak, I thought the final three episodes were stronger than Buffy's.

 

[Josh-F]

Kevin, do you have Buffy S5 and ANGEL S2 DVDs ready? or do you have to pick them up?


Personally, I think this is the best season that the shows ran side by side. They work well together in continuity, and ANGEL has one of it's strongest seasons, while Buffy has a great season, too.

 

[Kevin Grey]

would be handled.

 

[Jay_B!]

regarding comments about the Angel finale:

I know that the ending was meant to symbolize how no matter what, Angel and co. will continue fighting. However, I would've liked to have seen some resolve. When Buffy ended, you knew more fights would likely take place, yet there was still a feeling of closure with the destruction of the hellmouth and Sunntdale and that no longer would Buffy be THE slayer (as Faith spent so long in jail) but A slayer. To me, it was a much more fitting and satisfying ending than wondering if Angel and Spike made it or not.

 

[Scott_F_S]

Kevin: I would not worry about watching them simultaneously to catch crossovers. A couple of things will happen out of order if you watch first one full season and then the next full season. But they're not problematic. But from here on out, the story arcs are so strong in each of the seasons that it would dilute their impact by jumping back and forth.

So I would agree that you should watch one full season at a time.

And here's the order I'd watch them:

B5
A2
B6
A3
A4
B7
A5.

Only minor character movements will be disrupted, and you'll encounter a minor spoiler or two by doing it this way. But that borders on anal retention, and these shows will have much more impact from here on out by watching one full season at a time.

And regarding Jay_B's argument right above this post, Jay, I really think you miss the whole point.

 

[Jay_B!]

 

[Holadem]

I hate to discuss further plot developements in this thread, but I have to respond to Jay's comments.

Kevin, please stay away from this post.



In any case, lest this thread be invaded by black boxes, this is not the place for such a discussion. Not yet anyway.

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H

 

[Jay_B!]

well, I believe everybody is entitled to their opinions. I am not "wrong" in preferring the way Buffy went out to the way Angel did, because it just happens to be my opinion.

 

[Eddy-C]

Hey Kevin if you don't watch Angel s2 and Buffy s5 side by side then you NEED to see these 2 episodes "Fool For Love" and "Darla" on the same night. And you might want to consider watching the Angel episodes up until "Redefinition" before you see the Buffy episode "Crush". Oh..yeah, then theres a Buffy character who appears on Angel but the episode title itself is a plot spoiler so I'll wait til you get that far

 

[Kevin Grey]

I'm guessing the Angel tie-in episode deals with that issue.

Is it really that important to be caught up on Angel before seeing "Crush"? I've only get three more episodes to go before that.

 

[MaraKM]

It's more of a flip-side than a crossover, so, you're right, both parts can be taken alone.

 

[Eddy-C]

Well one line in the episode spoils 2 surprises from the first half of that season.

 

[Ray H]

Glad to see you guys enjoying these. I was in the middle of rewatching both Buffy and Angel from the beginning when I stopped rather abruptly a few months ago. I think I was at the beginning of Buffy S4 and the middle of Angel S3. I'll have to catch up later in the summer.

 

[Kevin Grey]

How has this many not won an Emmy ??!?

I ask after having watched "The Body"

 

[Holadem]

Yeah, good question, go figure. It's the finest piece of direction I have seen on TV.

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H

 

[Robert Ringwald]

It's called Buffy the Vampire Slayer... which most people can't believe could possibly be well written or directed. Although critics often saw past something as simple as the title...