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B5 Crusade Box Set -- 4:3 ?

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by RichD, Sep 6, 2004.

  1. RichD

    RichD Active Member

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    DVDAnswers has the Crusade 4-disc box set artwork, a street date of December 7, MSRP of $59.98. That's all good. Then it mentions that the feature will be shown in a 4:3 aspect ratio.

    Is this correct? I hope not. Seems a funny thing for Warner to do after getting the series and movie sets done right. Foolscreen = no sale for me.
     
  2. Jari

    Jari Well-Known Member

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    Must be some kind of typo. I still wish Warner would have released all B5 sets in 4:3 though... I hate cropping and constantly changing video quality.
     
  3. Britton

    Britton Well-Known Member

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    Crusade was originally broadcast in 4:3 as was B5. As a matter of fact, if the WB had release B5 in 4:3, there wouldn't have been those upconversion problems during the CGI sequences and scenes where live action and GCI were combined. When the Sci-Fi Channel got the rights to air Crusade in 2001, they showed it in 4:3 too. Maybe for consistency it would've been nice if Crusade was redone in widescreen, but at least now the CGI stuff should look much better than it did on the B5 DVDs.
     
  4. Rob T

    Rob T Well-Known Member

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    This is what JMS had to say about the issue on the newsgroup:

    >Not widescreen then?

    Alas, no.

    The reason that WB was able to release B5 wide is that TNT had paid to have
    them re-telecine'd to that format. It would take about two hundred grand to go
    through and do that with Crusade...and even though they've now grossed about
    half a BILLION dollars on the B5 dvd's to date, they don't seem inclined to
    want to spend that.

    (Needless to say, my last profit statement showed the show still in the red,
    which gets increasingly hysterical as time passes.)

    jms
     
  5. Simon Massey

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    Actually, Im glad. I am sick of the compromised quality of the DVDs as a result of the widescreen transfer. The shows were broadcast 4:3 and while they may have protected for 16:9 in the future, they haven't done for the effects shots. They should have released the entire B5 as 4:3 or redone the effects in 16:9. I realise they didn't know how successful the DVDs would be, but I am hoping they may go back at some point and do one of these 2 things.
     
  6. Moe*A

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    Unfortunately the effects could not be done in 16:9 as some one at WB had done some house keeping and all the original SFX files had apparently been deleted, it would have been way to expensive to redo all the effects from scratch.

    With regard to the JMS quote, is he indicating that B5 never made a single cent of profit? I find that so hard to believe with how much cost controlling went on, the number of times its been repeated on TV, the number of counties it been shown in, VHS and DVD sales not to mention all the other manner of merchandising sales. Is this what they call clever accounting? Why would WB even consider a film project if B5 has never made any money?
     
  7. David_Blackwell

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    I love studio accounting. Of course, I probably will never understand how their accounting systems work (maybe something to do with getting around some tax laws (or less taxes on gross revenue) and I won't comment on this further).

    Yep, somehow the original SFX files got lost for Babylon 5.
     
  8. Simon Massey

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    I know, which is why they should release the series in 4:3, since the only other alternative of completely re-doing the effects is not cost-effective
     
  9. Sam Favate

    Sam Favate Well-Known Member

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    Sounds like it. Some participants in a project get paid as a percentage of its profits. Creative accounting can be used to make it appear the project didn't make a profit, or made a very small one. Paramount claims Forrest Gump never made any money, to use one notorious example.
     
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    I'd rather call it theft but that'll do.
     
  11. MatthewLouwrens

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    Since people have asked about it, I will note that JMS has commented on the accounting here.



    (By the way, going OT, but does anyone know what SFX Magazine did to JMS? I note that all his posts, as logged at JMS News, state "permission to reprint specifically denied to SFX Magazine", and I have often wondered why.)
     
  12. Joshua_W

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    The SFX situation is complicated.

    You can read about it here.

    Reading the full thread will also give more perspective on the matter, and has a few posts by JMS.
     
  13. Sam Favate

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    Well, in any event, I am looking forward to Crusade on DVD. I thought the show was really good and it never got the chance it deserved -- much like the way Futurama, The Simpsons' little sibling, wasn't given a chance. I thought Gary Cole was a good choice for the captain, and I was looking forward to getting to know the other characters. Cheers to Warner for getting this out this year.
     
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    I didn't like this show. The techno-mage character was too annoying. Takes over the ship whenever he wants, can solve everything himself, knows everything about everything. They didn't even need other characters. And the music was horrible and intrusive on dialog. It was a mistake not sticking with Christopher Franke.
     
  15. Ric Easton

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    I also wasn't crazy about the new style of music. I find it very distracting in "A Call to Arms"
     
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    I found that as presented by TNT, the show really sucked, and just didn't make a whole lot of sense. When the SciFi channel reran it, and ran it in the preferred order, suddenly things started to click, and I found I enjoyed the series a lot more. I can only assume the dvd's will be in the preferred order. I do feel the show had a lot of potential, but was never really given a chance. I mean hey, we all know the first season of B5 was slow to get going, but at least ultimately was given a chance and flourished. Who knows if Crusade would have, but I like to think the possibility was there.
     
  17. Ric Easton

    Ric Easton Well-Known Member

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    As I recall, the show was cancelled before it even started airing...
     
  18. Paul McElligott

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    Yep. TNT promoted it as a "Limited Series" [​IMG]
     
  19. Ric Easton

    Ric Easton Well-Known Member

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    Funny that TNT was the savior and death of the franchise in a single year. They must have gotten someone else in charge that decided to take the network in a different direction.

    Ric
     
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    I never got to see any of the Crusade episodes, so I'm glad to be getting them. Ric, I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the score for ACTA sucked. I didn't want to believe Franke was responsible for that dredge. I'm glad to know it wasn't his.
     

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