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The major studios with significantly large film catalogs (for our purposes these are Warner, Disney, Fox, Universal, Paramount, Sony and Lionsgate) have basically three strategies when it comes to their catalog holdings on Blu-ray: 1. Release them on their own, 2. License them out to specialty labels, 3. Don't release them at all. If we expand our discussion to DVD, we can add another: 4. Release them as Made-on-Demand DVD-R.


Let's break it down for each 7 as they stand currently:


Disney


Blu-ray:


With the one of the smallest pre-80s catalogs Disney is really doing what they've always done: release their premiere animated titles at 6 month intervals. Where they're slacking is in their live action catalog of the 50s-80s. I suspect, aside from Tron this December, these may be really spread thin for Disney for a while. Disney has little interest in licensing out their titles as far as I can tell (last time they did was early in DVD's lifespan with the Anchor Bay licensed titles, as well as a few Criterions, with only Chungking Express making the Blu-ray leap). They recently sold off Miramax and the 700 film catalog it came with, which cleared a lot of their slate. I don't think they have rights to anything other than their own titles. They've also found that unlike DVD there's zero market for shovelware compilation cartoon titles on Blu-ray, which was a large part of their output on DVD from 2000-2008.


DVD: They've basically stopped catalog releases, aside from double dips. No MOD program as of yet.


Fox


Blu-ray: They've taken a few chances (Diary of Anne Frank), but mostly they've stuck to tried and true evergreen titles, like the upcoming Alien set and Rocky Horror Picture Show. I imagine this strategy will continue for the near future, and hopefully there's a surprise or two. They distribute for MGM, which despite their prominent financial problems have done a decent job in releasing older catalog titles, which has basically matched Fox's output. Fox does license out titles to specialty labels, notably Criterion, and we've got a number of great releases through this arrangement (Bigger Than Life, Kagemusha). Recent rumor had them licensing even more titles to Criterion.


DVD: Non-existent, and no MOD titles. Again, there are the Criterion licensed titles.


Lionsgate


Blu-ray: They don't have a lot of catalog holdings, but they've been aggressive in obtaining licensing rights to other catalogs. Namely, they have licensed several Paramount and Republic titles from Paramount, they've wrestled the StudioCanal rights away from Criterion, MGM, Anchor Bay and others, and they've got independent holdings like American Zoetrope. Overall, they're putting in more than most of their longer established big brother studios.


DVD: They seem focused on Blu-ray mostly. Most of the titles they've licensed from other rights holders already have DVD releases, so they've only done Blu-ray for those. No MOD program.


Paramount


Blu-ray: They seem content to release maybe 1-3 A-list catalog titles a year, and either license out (Criterion, Lionsgate) or sit on their other titles. They either declined to or failed to match Lionsgate's offer for American Zoetrope distribution.They still have distribution rights to the Wayne Estate films. They would seem a logical choice for the Blu-ray upgrade as Wayne titles are almost always solid sellers.


DVD: Pretty much silent. They've licensed a lot of titles to Criterion, but only one of those (Days of Heaven) got the additional license to Blu-ray. Recent rumor has them working on more titles to license to Criterion, hopefully with an expansion of Blu-ray distribution for the titles Criterion already has out on DVD. No MOD program.


Sony


Blu-ray: They have done a solid job, IMO. While their pre-80s output is a little lower than ideal, one has to remember that their pre-60s holdings are mostly black & white (when compared to other studio catalogs of the same era), which is unfortunately harder to market for HD, and by most account their bigger titles of that era (Capra, for example) have film elements that need some serious work if to be released in HD. Fortunately they've done a real good job with the Harryhausen titles (helped by the authorized colorization versions in means of promotion), as well as some other A-listers, such as Dr. Strangelove and Easy Rider. They just announced The Bridge on the River Kwai, so they're chugging along quite nicely, if not at a breakneck speed. Obviously their vested interest in Blu-ray as a format probably helps them push harder than the other studios. Strong rumor has them licensing a number of titles to Criterion.


DVD: The last of the major studios to still release new-to-DVD catalog titles. They have slowed down as of late, but nowhere near the degree of the others. No MOD program.


Universal


Blu-ray: Late to the game due to their HD-DVD allegiance in the format war, they have trickled out a steady amount of titles, but almost exclusively 80s and later. They still have 81 HD-DVD releases without a Blu-ray counterpart. As of late, their corporate-level insistence (supposedly) of using heavy DNR is well documented. They have licensing rights to the the Hitchcock Estate titles, and Psycho is debuting in a couple months, hopefully without DNR blemish. They distribute for Focus Features, and have licensed both Focus titles (Monsoon Wedding, Ride with the Devil) and their own titles (Charade, Videodrome) to Criterion. Some titles they licensed to Criterion for DVD they released on Blu-ray themselves (Traffic, Do the Right Thing).


DVD: Dead as a doornail. They have done a very limited MOD program through TCM.


Warner


Blu-ray: The 800lb gorilla of the studios, Warner has consistently churned out catalog title after catalog title, from all decades since the 30s. While this is nowhere near the level of their DVD glory years, it is far and away the most output of any major studio currently. These have mostly been of solid quality in their releases. Warner has experimented with several marketing schemes, from double-feature releases to the infamous 'box-o'-junk' editions of beloved classics, to the digibook cases. Currently Warner still refuses to license out their catalog titles to specialty labels. There have been rumors of a deal with Criterion for 2-3 years now (the most prominent titles would be Badlands and Akira Kurosawa's Dreams), but nothing has ever emerged. Lately Warner has declined to extend their distribution agreements with several small catalog rights holders, such as the Caidin Trust (Stagecoach, To Be or Not To Be, Foreign Correspondent) MK2 (Chaplin Estate films) and CBS (My Fair Lady). One wonders if the licensing deals New Line made when they were independent, such as with the Harold Lloyd Estate, will also be allowed to expire without renewal.


DVD: A small trickling of titles the last couple years.... except for thier massive MOD program. Hopefully it'll continue to improve, as it's likely the only way we're getting most of the titles yet to make it out on DVD.
 

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some catalog titles must be selling better than the 2008 films which most peole have seen by now. Why do you think certain catalog titles are not selling well - If catalog titles were not selling overall - the studios would not be releasing any
 

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Fortunately or unfortunately, the Selznick/ABC titles are still controlled by MGM. For some reason or another, Disney licensed those titles to MGM after the license to Anchor Bay expired. MGM really did nothing with the titles, except re-release the same titles that Anchor Bay released, the Hitchcock's, Straw Dogs and Krakatoa East of Java.


I don't think Disney would do anything with those titles since they had nothing to do with the films in the first place so I guess the best place for them would lie with MGM since we have no idea what their future is they just might continue to release them or they may fall into better hands. I mean these titles did not fit the Disney model any more than Miramax did.

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. I don't think they have rights to anything other than their own titles and the Selznick/ABC titles (some Hitchcock and Straw Dogs and a few others).
 

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Originally Posted by GMpasqua

some catalog titles must be selling better than the 2008 films which most peole have seen by now. Why do you think certain catalog titles are not selling well - If catalog titles were not selling overall - the studios would not be releasing any


Yes, I'm sure some catalog titles released in 2008 are outselling movies from 2008 but I bet it's not the norm. All information that I have heard is that catalog titles aren't moving very fast (and logic dictates that if they were selling, studios would have released alot more titles in the first three quarters of the year than they did). That being said, you can think what you want because it's not like either of us have sales data to back up either side.
 

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Thanks for the clarification. I've updated my post. :)

Originally Posted by ahollis


Fortunately or unfortunately, the Selznick/ABC titles are still controlled by MGM. For some reason or another, Disney licensed those titles to MGM after the license to Anchor Bay expired. MGM really did nothing with the titles, except re-release the same titles that Anchor Bay released, the Hitchcock's, Straw Dogs and Krakatoa East of Java.


I don't think Disney would do anything with those titles since they had nothing to do with the films in the first place so I guess the best place for them would lie with MGM since we have no idea what their future is they just might continue to release them or they may fall into better hands. I mean these titles did not fit the Disney model any more than Miramax did.
 

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Here is Amazon's top selling Blu-rays for the week:


1. Kick-Ass

2. Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series

3. [COLOR= #0000ff]2001 A Space Odyssey[/COLOR]

4 Iron Man 2

5 Clash of the Titans

6 [COLOR= #0000ff]Rambo (Extended Cut) [/COLOR]

7. Avatar

8. The Hangover

9. [COLOR= #0000ff]Escape from New York[/COLOR]

10 [COLOR= #ff0000]Gangs of New York (Remastered) [/COLOR]


As you can see:

3 classic catalog titles 30 years or older

1 film from 2002

Not one Oscar nominated film from 2008

1 Oscar nominated film from 2009 (Avatar - but Avatar is the exception as it is destined to become a classic and was a super blockbuster)



how you can say the things thing you say without anything to back it up really hurts the crediblity of your posts



Where will "Kick Ass" be 3 months from now?
 

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2001 is 7.99 which is why it is in the list. Gangs of NY is 10.99. Escape from NY is a highly anticipated release in its first week. Rambo - New edition, good reviews and price. Anything tht Amazon has on sale at great prices always are high on the best sellers list. People love bargains.


Dude, not trying to argue with you. I'm just telling you what I have heard from 2 different studios - "Day and Date titles sell better than catalog titles" and "catalog sales have been disappointing". Also Oscar nominated films should not be the barometer for proving sales. Granted Avatar will sell, as will Up and Inglorious Basterds. That is a given.
 

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Originally Posted by GMpasqua

Here is Amazon's top selling Blu-rays for the week:


1. Kick-Ass

2. Battlestar Galactica: The Complete Series

3. [COLOR= #0000ff]2001 A Space Odyssey[/COLOR]

4 Iron Man 2

5 Clash of the Titans

6 [COLOR= #0000ff]Rambo (Extended Cut) [/COLOR]

7. Avatar

8. The Hangover

9. [COLOR= #0000ff]Escape from New York[/COLOR]

10 [COLOR= #ff0000]Gangs of New York (Remastered) [/COLOR]


As you can see:

3 classic catalog titles 30 years or older

1 film from 2002

Not one Oscar nominated film from 2008

1 from Oscar nominated frilm from 2009 (Avatar - but Avatar is the exception as is is destine to become a classic and was a super blockbuster)


how you can say the things thing you say without anything to back it up really hurts the crediblity of your posts


2001 is on sale for $8 and is one of the most popular titles of all time. Gangs Of New York is on sale for $16. Rambo came out a week ago and is on sale for $10. Escape From New York just came out today. Battlestar Galactica is on sale for 56% off. Kick-Ass, Iron Man 2 and Clash Of The Titans are new releases. That leaves Avatar and The Hangover which are major hits that haven't even been out on Blu-ray for a year.


Using Amazon's sales ranking without thinking about why they're selling really hurts the credibility of your posts.
 

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Originally Posted by Brandon Conway

The major studios with significantly large film catalogs (for our purposes these are Warner, Disney, Fox, Universal, Paramount, Sony and Lionsgate) have basically three strategies when it comes to their catalog holdings on Blu-ray: 1. Release them on their own, 2. License them out to specialty labels, 3. Don't release them at all. If we expand our discussion to DVD, we can add another: 4. Release them as Made-on-Demand DVD-R.


Let's break it down for each 7 as they stand currently:


Disney


Blu-ray:


With the one of the smallest pre-80s catalogs Disney is really doing what they've always done: release their premiere animated titles at 6 month intervals. Where they're slacking is in their live action catalog of the 50s-80s. I suspect, aside from Tron this December, these may be really spread thin for Disney for a while. Disney has little interest in licensing out their titles as far as I can tell (last time they did was early in DVD's lifespan with the Anchor Bay licensed titles, as well as a few Criterions, with only Chungking Express making the Blu-ray leap). They recently sold off Miramax and the 700 film catalog it came with, which cleared a lot of their slate. I don't think they have rights to anything other than their own titles. They've also found that unlike DVD there's zero market for shovelware compilation cartoon titles on Blu-ray, which was a large part of their output on DVD from 2000-2008.


DVD: They've basically stopped catalog releases, aside from double dips. No MOD program as of yet.


Fox


Blu-ray: They've taken a few chances (Diary of Anne Frank), but mostly they've stuck to tried and true evergreen titles, like the upcoming Alien set and Rocky Horror Picture Show. I imagine this strategy will continue for the near future, and hopefully there's a surprise or two. They distribute for MGM, which despite their prominent financial problems have done a decent job in releasing older catalog titles, which has basically matched Fox's output. Fox does license out titles to specialty labels, notably Criterion, and we've got a number of great releases through this arrangement (Bigger Than Life, Kagemusha). Recent rumor had them licensing even more titles to Criterion.


DVD: Non-existent, and no MOD titles. Again, there are the Criterion licensed titles.


Lionsgate


Blu-ray: They don't have a lot of catalog holdings, but they've been aggressive in obtaining licensing rights to other catalogs. Namely, they have licensed several Paramount and Republic titles from Paramount, they've wrestled the StudioCanal rights away from Criterion, MGM, Anchor Bay and others, and they've got independent holdings like American Zoetrope. Overall, they're putting in more than most of their longer established big brother studios.


DVD: They seem focused on Blu-ray mostly. Most of the titles they've licensed from other rights holders already have DVD releases, so they've only done Blu-ray for those. No MOD program.


Paramount


Blu-ray: They seem content to release maybe 1-3 A-list catalog titles a year, and either license out (Criterion, Lionsgate) or sit on their other titles. They either declined to or failed to match Lionsgate's offer for American Zoetrope distribution.They still have distribution rights to the Wayne Estate films. They would seem a logical choice for the Blu-ray upgrade as Wayne titles are almost always solid sellers.


DVD: Pretty much silent. They've licensed a lot of titles to Criterion, but only one of those (Days of Heaven) got the additional license to Blu-ray. Recent rumor has them working on more titles to license to Criterion, hopefully with an expansion of Blu-ray distribution for the titles Criterion already has out on DVD. No MOD program.


Sony


Blu-ray: They have done a solid job, IMO. While their pre-80s output is a little lower than ideal, one has to remember that their pre-60s holdings are mostly black & white (when compared to other studio catalogs of the same era), which is unfortunately harder to market for HD, and by most account their bigger titles of that era (Capra, for example) have film elements that need some serious work if to be released in HD. Fortunately they've done a real good job with the Harryhausen titles (helped by the authorized colorization versions in means of promotion), as well as some other A-listers, such as Dr. Strangelove and Easy Rider. They just announced The Bridge on the River Kwai, so they're chugging along quite nicely, if not at a breakneck speed. Obviously their vested interest in Blu-ray as a format probably helps them push harder than the other studios. Strong rumor has them licensing a number of titles to Criterion.


DVD: The last of the major studios to still release new-to-DVD catalog titles. They have slowed down as of late, but nowhere near the degree of the others. No MOD program.


Universal


Blu-ray: Late to the game due to their HD-DVD allegiance in the format war, they have trickled out a steady amount of titles, but almost exclusively 80s and later. They still have 81 HD-DVD releases without a Blu-ray counterpart. As of late, their corporate-level insistence (supposedly) of using heavy DNR is well documented. They have licensing rights to the the Hitchcock Estate titles, and Psycho is debuting in a couple months, hopefully without DNR blemish. They distribute for Focus Features, and have licensed both Focus titles (Monsoon Wedding, Ride with the Devil) and their own titles (Charade, Videodrome) to Criterion. Some titles they licensed to Criterion for DVD they released on Blu-ray themselves (Traffic, Do the Right Thing).


DVD: Dead as a doornail. They have done a very limited MOD program through TCM.


Warner


Blu-ray: The 800lb gorilla of the studios, Warner has consistently churned out catalog title after catalog title, from all decades since the 30s. While this is nowhere near the level of their DVD glory years, it is far and away the most output of any major studio currently. These have mostly been of solid quality in their releases. Warner has experimented with several marketing schemes, from double-feature releases to the infamous 'box-o'-junk' editions of beloved classics, to the digibook cases. Currently Warner still refuses to license out their catalog titles to specialty labels. There have been rumors of a deal with Criterion for 2-3 years now (the most prominent titles would be Badlands and Akira Kurosawa's Dreams), but nothing has ever emerged. Lately Warner has declined to extend their distribution agreements with several small catalog rights holders, such as the Caidin Trust (Stagecoach, To Be or Not To Be, Foreign Correspondent) MK2 (Chaplin Estate films) and CBS (My Fair Lady). One wonders if the licensing deals New Line made when they were independent, such as with the Harold Lloyd Estate, will also be allowed to expire without renewal.


DVD: A small trickling of titles the last couple years.... except for thier massive MOD program. Hopefully it'll continue to improve, as it's likely the only way we're getting most of the titles yet to make it out on DVD.


I hope the Sony / Criterion rumor is true. Perhaps never released on DVD Housekeeping and out of print The Swimmer will have Blu ray releases. Not to mention the Hollywood Collection with Five Easy Pieces et all.


Yeah. What you wrote pretty much sums it all up.
 

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Originally Posted by Bradley-E

2001 is 7.99 which is why it is in the list. Gangs of NY is 10.99. Escape from NY is a highly anticipated release in its first week. Rambo - New edition, good reviews and price. Anything tht Amazon has on sale at great prices always are high on the best sellers list. People love bargains.


Dude, not trying to argue with you. I'm just telling you what I have heard from 2 different studios - "Day and Date titles sell better than catalog titles" and "catalog sales have been disappointing". Also Oscar nominated films should not be the barometer for proving sales. Granted Avatar will sell, as will Up and Inglorious Basterds. That is a given.



Bradley I'm not trying to argue, and I agree, Day and Date titles will always sell better than catalog titles - that's a given. I'm just saying catalog titles are more consistent over the long run where new films fizzle out after a few months.


There are "A" catalog titles that will always sell "Sound of Music", and there are "B" catalog titles that won't sell large amounts, and the "C" catalog titles will sell even less.


On the whole catalog sales aren't as big as new releases - but they never will be. There are two kinds of business a film will do:


1. The theater release followed by the home video release - for those who don't like going to the theater (expensive, excessive talking, cell phones etc) the video release is now part of the theaterical release, a year later, that film becomes a catalog title. The video release is factored into the films budget.


[COLOR= #0000ff]Why pay $28 for two tickets (plus another $10 for popcorn) when you can buy the film a few months later for $20 - if you don't like it you don't have to watch it again, but you still saved money (I know a lot of people who do this, many others just Netflix them, and Netflix buys alot of these titles so you need to factor that in)[/COLOR]




2. People who buy blu-rays for ownership - their favorite films, and this is where classics have their market. People build Libraries. This market is much smaller and can't compare to new films. But this is a smaller, steady market and catalog films will do well here years after the the latest film has run it's course. If the Studios do a good job with a catalog film's transfer, they have a product which will generate revenue for years, meanwhile, "Kick Ass" will have reached it's peak within 6 months and then have smaller sales and may never make it onto the next format.


Studios issue the Big Box sets with all the crap hoping fans will want to buy the crap regardless of the fact the film is included - it's a packaged goods. And of course they wait to sell the bare bones so the fans who can't wait can cover the costs of the box set.
 

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Originally Posted by TravisR





2001 is on sale for $8 and is one of the most popular titles of all time. Gangs Of New York is on sale for $16. Rambo came out a week ago and is on sale for $10. Escape From New York just came out today. Battlestar Galactica is on sale for 56% off. Kick-Ass, Iron Man 2 and Clash Of The Titans are new releases. That leaves Avatar and The Hangover which are major hits that haven't even been out on Blu-ray for a year.


Using Amazon's sales ranking without thinking about why they're selling really hurts the credibility of your posts.


Travis, you may not know this, but you just proved the other theory many on this site believe:


The price on catalog titles matters - if you purchased "2001" a number times, why would you pay $35 to own it again, but if catalog prices were lower, than the sales would sore - this seems to be true.


"2001" is a top seller at $8, and "Rambo" at $10. If other catalog titles were lower priced many of those would also sell larger numbers. Unfortunately putting out a catalog title cost money (which is why the prices are high) the studios still haven't figured out the best price point to increase sales while covering costs.


Remember when Amazon had "Braveheart" and "Gladiator" for sale at $9.99 - thoses were the big sellers that day (too bad they price didn't stay there. I eventually bought "Braveheart" but only when it was on sale at Target for $14.99, there was no way I was paying $30 for that or "Gladiator" (which now that it's been fixed I'll buy when it goes back on sale, even if it's months down the road)



What the studios really believe;


Catalog titles are expensive to produce and must be priced high prices to cover those costs there fore reducing the sales and giving a slow return on their investment (But many will and continue to be steady sellers and return the investment plus - but they have to wait)


The latest theaterical release on the other hand, will sell big at first and the costs are included in the film's production budget, these films also do not need expensive restorations. From a money stand point - yeah, catalog sales are not driving the business. But it's comparing apples to oranges, and when low priced catalog titles out sell the new releases, it proves catalog titles do sell - but the returns are not upfront
 

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It does seem clear that one of the biggest problems with moving catalog titles is that the MSRPs are too high. Every now and then I drop into Best Buy to see how things are priced and what's available. I can't help but cringe when I see that North by Northwest is $30. (The Godfather trilogy is ~$80.)


Is there anyone who would impulse buy a $30 catalog title? During the heyday of DVD, you could routinely pick up a title like this for less than $20; often less than $15.

When $20 for a catalog title is a bargain, it's no wonder they aren't selling.
 

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I can see what you are trying to say. Ironically after 6 months to a year new releases flip over to catalog titles. So I guess we are both correct. Titles do have big surges in sales when studios bring down the prices or Amazon runs great specials. I've noticed that studios like Universal and Sony have reduced many prices on once new release titles and then in turn Amazon reduces prices further and people play catch up, I'm sure Blu rays like The Sound of Music, Apocalypse Now, Rocky Horror, Back to the Future et all will definitely have longevity, and will do well during the 4th Quarter. But I wonder how films like The Breakfast Club which was released 3 times previously on DVD will do. The problem with catalog sales is that consumers are feeling too much like the DVD they already have will suffice, and to fork out yet another $20.00 to get it again may not be worth it.

The studios need to bring the retail down $14.98 on catalog titles that they are not adding anything that was not already on the DVD. At $15.00, most discount stores will sell it between 8-10 dollars. That may entice people to re-buy a title if they do not have to pay $20.00 or $30.00 for it. My recent Best Buy visit I notice MANY older catalog titles that seemed way over price and run upwards to $30/$35.00.
 

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Originally Posted by GMpasqua What the studios really believe; Catalog titles are expensive to produce and must be priced high prices to cover those costs there fore reducing the sales and giving a slow return on their investment (But many will and continue to be steady sellers and return the investment plus - but they have to wait) The latest theaterical release on the other hand, will sell big at first and the costs are included in the film's production budget, these films also do not need expensive restorations. From a money stand point - yeah, catalog sales are not driving the business. But it's comparing apples to oranges, and when low priced catalog titles out sell the new releases, it proves catalog titles do sell - but the returns are not upfront
[COLOR= black]In the long run everything becomes a catalog title, and agreed it will take some time, for it to catch on, but for a proper restoration/ and proper Blu, its going to cost up front, and anybody at the studios should know that, unfortunately, sometime I think IMO that they are in some of the same fantasy lands they create on film. As for the back log of HDDVD titles that Universal put out that need to be on blu, I will hold my breath; I don’t want another copy of Spartacus, unless it is right, maybe a good version of Elizabeth / Elizabeth: The Golden Age.[/COLOR] [COLOR= black]How much do the studios count on this revenue to help with the bottom line each year, and boost their profits? All while trying to find a way to hit on the right kind of market, right film, and right time, right release. Overpriced, catalog titles are not the way, overpriced and bad transfers are even worse. Honestly how many on here are willing to pay MSRP for a DVD anymore? I know lots that won’t go much over $9.99 any more. So the gimmick is digital copy, or special packaging, or extended cuts. Which I am fine with as long as there are other options, I want the 3 disc with out the box of stuff, hey it doesn’t have the box of stuff, and so why is it still $40? [/COLOR] [COLOR= black]Be it Best Buy, Amazon, Wal-mart, you want to know an impulse buy, is finding a catalog that you are familiar with, that is priced below $15 and at below $10 it makes it more enticing, and to be honest as much as I love my Criterions, I have to wait for them to be on sale, before I jump. Also the dogpile at the end of the year makes it a pick and choose kind of thing; I know that it ties in with the constant overspending that happens at the holiday season. What would be nice and smart is a slate of 7-10 catalog titles per Studio, released throughout the year, of course save the heavy hitters for the holiday season. But priced to sale accordingly, 5 or 6 titles coming out all around $40 bucks a pop against each other, and both the consumer and the studios will loose. [/COLOR] [COLOR= black]As for bad transfers, glitches just look at the glitch list, even this format has had it’s problems, some corrected, some not…., if you offer a replacement program, then don’t half-ass it, in hopes that people will just run out and buy the new version. And while I am on the soapbox, to Paramount, if it’s the Paramount Sapphire Series, why are most of what you released under that moniker are DreamWorks titles, look at your own library, I know that there are some that will do well. Hitchcock, John Wayne, Audery Hepburn.[/COLOR]
 

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Originally Posted by Andy_G

It does seem clear that one of the biggest problems with moving catalog titles is that the MSRPs are too high. Every now and then I drop into Best Buy to see how things are priced and what's available. I can't help but cringe when I see that North by Northwest is $30. (The Godfather trilogy is ~$80.)


Is there anyone who would impulse buy a $30 catalog title? During the heyday of DVD, you could routinely pick up a title like this for less than $20; often less than $15.

When $20 for a catalog title is a bargain, it's no wonder they aren't selling.
At the same timeline in DVD's growth (2000-2001), online ordering (which often has bigger discounts) wasn't nearly as widespread, and inflation would put a $20 title then at $25 or more. And of course, DVD grew faster and had its major growth period in a time with an up economy (1996-2000), rather than a growing deficit (2001-2006) and eventual recession (2007-today) due to same.
 

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Online ordering of DVDs was pretty well-established by 2000. You only need to check the archives of this forum to see that.


As to MSRP: yes, you can argue inflation. But there's a reason the titles aren't selling, and my opinion is that high street price is a major factor.
 

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Originally Posted by Andy_G

Online ordering of DVDs was pretty well-established by 2000. You only need to check the archives of this forum to see that.


Online ordering might have been well established for people that frequent HTF in 2000 but not for average consumers.
 

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