Jim Mcc
Senior HTF Member
Seeing much of a difference also depends on the size of the display though. If someone is using a 40" TV or smaller, I doubt a difference would be visible.
I can easily see the difference on my 23 and 32 inch sets betweeen DVD and Bluray though of course it's moredependent on seating distance. What I've never seen much difference is with 'upscaling' players which I alwaysthought was either a red herring or placebo affect.Jim Mcc said:Seeing much of a difference also depends on the size of the display though. If someone is using a 40" TV or smaller, I doubt a difference would be visible.
A lot of upscalers on dvd player sections, are largely crap.David Norman said:What I've never seen much difference is with 'upscaling' players which I always thought was either a red herring or placebo affect.
It is the same with audio....shelf systems are now the standard for young ones. Very few will invest in a proper stereo setup.jcroy said:The individuals I've come across who simply do not give a damn about hd quality video, were largely people who were not collectors nor hardcore fans.
In the past, they were typically the ones who maybe rented a movie once or twice a year. Some may have purchased a dvd once every few years. They were largely "casual" viewers for the most part.
Nah not in a few years, the infrastructure is improving but bandwidth isn't good enough for everybody to be streaming content just yet, maybe in 10 to 15 years, i think physical media and streaming will co-exist until the bandwidth and infrastructure get to where it's needed, and certainly 4K blu ray is on the horizon but that's just an extension of the current format.tjohnusa said:I actually feel this will be a moot point in a few years. Everything will be Cloud and computer based digital. Physical copies will be a thing of the past but you will be able to visit "your collection" from multiple sources....and everything will be HD.
Same with cameras, more and more people are using smartphones for images and bridge cameras with their "super zooms," they just don't care for a good old proper DSLR with better lens, i suppose for just uploading to Facebook those cameras are good enough, i think people take convenience over quality these days, shame really.tjohnusa said:It is the same with audio....shelf systems are now the standard for young ones. Very few will invest in a proper stereo setup.
Not while big chunks of the country have to deal with wireless. I'm in one of those chunks, and Verizon wireless is bug city. Even when it works, the fastest connection still suffers from the jumpies.tjohnusa said:I actually feel this will be a moot point in a few years. Everything will be Cloud and computer based digital. Physical copies will be a thing of the past but you will be able to visit "your collection" from multiple sources....and everything will be HD.
Agreed. I've been saying the same thing for years. Before the studios can abandon physical media, internet has to get a lot better in terms of dowloading speeds and availability. And then, let's not forget, there will always be a subset of the population who wants to hold the disc in their hands and no be beholden to a Netflix/Amazon/Vudu/etc. actually being available.Rick Thompson said:Not while big chunks of the country have to deal with wireless. I'm in one of those chunks, and Verizon wireless is bug city. Even when it works, the fastest connection still suffers from the jumpies.
And that's just SD.
HD? To quote Santa, "Ho! Ho! Ho!"
I have the opposite opinion and view at 104inches via my projector, i feel many DVD's do not hold up as the edge enhancement stands out as does compression artifacts, blu ray is a huge step up from DVD because of this, now some DVD's didn't get the over sharpened approach, these ones do look okay still but many unfortunately do not.Sam Posten said:DVDs were a tremendous upgrade over all that came before them. Blu is a bit more incremental. I regularly run old DVDs on my 120" screen from a 2012 vintage projector and am consistently impressed at how well they hold up.
I believe the Blus are worth a small premium but I do not buy new media at full retail all that often. I wouldn't go out and buy a DVD at this point but there is no shame in viewing the ones you own either.
I concur with this sentiment. The increased color space of Bd is a big part of the format's appeal to me. You simply do not get the color performance on DVD that is available on Bd. It is technically not possible.the increased color saturation should be very obvious to all
When Blu-Ray is good, it looks terrific. I've seen some that are mediocre at best. I have 2 Blu-Ray players and not every Blu-Ray will play on every Blu-Ray machine, as I found out when I took some out of the library. And I don't care to go through "updates" on one of my machines every time a greedy distributor puts some new anti-copy device in the disc. I have a small percentage of Blu-Ray's, but feel more confident about the playability of DVDs.One misleading thing though is NOT ALL Blu-rays look excellent. I've seen some Blu-rays that look average at best, and I've seen some DVD's that look very good.
At best technically, one can do an approximate extrapolation from the color quality of dvd to bluray.Walter Kittel said:I concur with this sentiment. The increased color space of Bd is a big part of the format's appeal to me. You simply do not get the color performance on DVD that is available on Bd. It is technically not possible.
This is wrong.Walter Kittel said:I concur with this sentiment. The increased color space of Bd is a big part of the format's appeal to me. You simply do not get the color performance on DVD that is available on Bd. It is technically not possible.
- Walter.
Its an increase in resolution, it gives an illusion of this because everything is more in focus and detailed on the blu ray.jcroy said:Where is the brighter brights and darker darks on bluray coming from? (In comparison to the brights and darks on dvd).
I've noticed this on various modern movies which I've compared the bluray and dvd versions.