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"Angel" season two is widescreen, not full-frame as previously announced

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by Nicholas Martin, Jun 20, 2003.

  1. Nicholas Martin

    Nicholas Martin Well-Known Member

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    Amazon lists it as Full screen, but TVShowsOnDVD.com
    says it's Widescreen.

    Guess we will have to wait for official word on this, and avoid speculation.
     
  2. Dan Rudolph

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    While we're at it, anyone have any solid info as to which it's supposed to be?
     
  3. LarryDavenport

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    When did it go wide on US tv? I thought season 3 or 4 was the first time.
     
  4. Jeffrey Forner

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    Season 2 of Angel was broadcast with a 4:3 full screen aspect ratio. They switched to widescreen in season 3.
     
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  6. Dan Rudolph

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    Any interview links?
     
  7. Adam Tyner

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    If that's meant in reference to what I said a second ago, from http://urchin.earth.li/~sax/mutant/a...r/general.html :

     
  8. Scott_F_S

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    Angel is 4:3 for S2, went to widescreen in S3.
     
  9. Jeff Kleist

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    The number of the ratio is 4:3, and the number of the counting shall be 4:3. 16:9 is right out! And 4:3 being the original ratio reached, thou shalt watch thy Angel season 2 set, and take thy doubts, who being bothersom in thy sight shall snuff it-Book of Joss Chapter 3 verses 9-21

    Good rule of thumb for the Buffyverse: If it wasn't wide on US TV, it should not be so

    (Firefly was supposed to be wide all through, but Fox in their infinite wisdom said that they would try it for the pilot, and if it wasn't a runaway success they would go to the 4:3 versions to hopefully bring in some black bar haters)
     
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    I think you question has been answered...so I must ask this...

    Is it possible to encode a 4x3 image anamorphically so that it will play in "anamorphic" mode on a 16x9 set, with black bars on the sides, yet still play as 4:3 on a 1.33:1 set? Maybe I should go read.
     
  12. Jeff Kleist

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    Yes Kyle it is. You matte the 4:3 image with side bars and then do a center zoom command (the same way 16:9 menus are full screen). However this needs to be done in the original telecine/mastering process to avoid quality loss.
     
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  15. Jeff Kleist

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    No, because it would be "squished" horizontally. The full resolution of the image is still present
     
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    http://www.r2-dvd.org/article.jsp?s...&articleId=3763

    Looking at that, it really does look the image was composed for the 4:3 frame.

    The first image -- the castle -- has all of the action in the center of the frame. At the left and right of the 16:9 image is pretty much just negative space.

    The second image -- the three books -- works a bit better in the wider aspect ratio, but looks okay in 4:3.

    The third image -- "Guest Starring Andy Hallett" -- looks strange in 16:9. All of the figures are crowded into the center of the image. I've noticed this with the Buffy sets, too, and it's pretty obvious that they were framing for 4:3. The composition may look fine in 4:3, but if the image is widened, you suddenly wonder why these two people are having a conversation and nearly touching noses.

    The fourth and final image looks a bit better in widescreen, but again, the composition still works in 4:3. The three figures would be tough to frame in 4:3 without excessive crowding, and it looks like they pulled it off.
     
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    It was an editing error, where Angel was flat against the wall on the very left hand side of the screen, moments before he should have been. Sorry, can't remember which episode that was.
     
  20. Jari

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    I only noticed one mistake in Angel season 2 (16:9). One outdoor shot of the city had black bars on the sides. Other than that it looks fine. However I've also seen the season in 4:3 and think they both are valid ratios.

    What amazes me most is the fact that no one complained when The X-Files season 5 was released as 16:9. It clearly is framed for 4:3 and there's at least one mistake that I noticed. In the episode "Kill Switch" around 18:50, take a look at the left edge of the frame. You can see woman moving her lips but you can't hear her. This is clearly a similar mistake seen in so many 16:9 tv show transfers. Also there are lots of empty space at the sides and all the action happens in the center of the frame. So it seems XF S5 was relesed in wrong AR. When do we start campaigning Fox to release it 4:3? [​IMG]
     

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