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A Few Words About A few words about...™ Lawrence of Arabia -- in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Nov 2, 2012.

  1. DP 70

    DP 70 Well-Known Member

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    Its me again, I also asked my brother about Nic and Alex and he said that Columbia were trying something on 5 front channels with the outer channels being a slighty lower level than the centre channel giving some sort of a stereo spread thats all can remember but it was in 1971.
     
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    I don't recall precisely, Derek, but I would guess not more than a few months.
     
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    I stayed in the Casino to the bitter end John, despite the terrible picture quality of the 70mm print, and the sound was mono.
     
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    Then Doug you deserve the Cinerama medal for conduct above and beyong the call of duty.
     
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    Amazon UK still have the Collector's box set available - just how much of a limited edition was this? Or have I overestimated how well I thought it would sell?
     
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    Just purchased this film at Best Buy bogo with Taxi Driver. Had only seen these films ages ago and could remember very little about them.

    Was just blown away by Lawrence of Arabia. Amazing film and a great looking blu-ray. Thanks for your hard work on the restoration Mr. Harris. I was on sensory overload while savoring this film.

    Doug
     
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    I finally managed to find a copy of the limited edition today at the local Best Buy. I'd been 3-4 times and they'd listed a copy in stock but they were never able to find it.

    Today? Today, I found it.

    It is a gorgeous set. I have absolutely no idea where I'm going to be storing it. But right now? I don't care. It looks good. :)

    Hopefully I'll have time sometime in the next couple of weeks to sit down and watch it (last, and only time, I saw the movie was mid-80s on TV)
     
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  10. willyTass

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    recently released in Japan with high bitrate and the movie spread over 2 discs

    Saw the bitrate around 38mbps most of the time

    No extras

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    Put me down for a real 4k player and a real 4k disc when they decide on the actual format, and the price won't break the bank.

    Until then, I'm perfectly fine with the 1920x1080 specs.
     
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    If it follows BD specs, its still limited to 1080p as there is no BD 4K media spec officially out yet.

    Cant be much of a higher bitrate if a movie this long is still contained within two discs.

    The "mastered in 4K" slogan is true for the 2012 BD release as well so they are stating something new only from a marketing perspective, not a technical one.
     
  13. Robert Harris

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    "Mastered in 4k" is meaningful, as higher resolution mastering affects the overall look and textures of an HD image, especially on larger screens or projection.Will a higher bit rate Blu-ray yield a higher quality image? If a normal Blu-ray presentation, based upon a quality HD master is properly prepared, it should not have a meaningful difference.While the concept of true 4k devices is sexy, and sizzles, I can't imagine where it would really come into play except on the largest of panels and in projection.Is there really something to be gained viewing a 50" panel in 4k, as opposed to those low-rez 1920 x1080 panels, when seated at a proper distance?I can only equate the concept to 35 vs 70mm projection.While quality 35mm can look superb on a 30 foot screen, the image can begin to look less stellar at 40 or 50, a screen size for which 70mm begins to shine. Is 70mm really worth running on a 25-30 foot screen?I don't believe there's much to be gained, especially with the added effort and huge expense.Make what you will of that.RAH
     
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    Here are the factors involved; here's the expert assessment. You're the man.
     
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    I can see one good thing coming from a 4K video standard. 4K screens would require 4K data to play on them, which means that someone's got to develop a data format that can send this amount of data to the screen. This means that this new format could send _uncompressed_ data to a 1080p resolution screen. That means better presentation of motion, less macroblocking... basically, stuff that only videophiles notice. But generally, 4K home screens seem like a luxury item to me, too. I'm happy with my current 46" 1080p screen. What bothers me is the drive for 4K cameras for home video. I do some freelance video stuff, and editing regular hi-def video pushes my computer to its limits. If I had to upgrade to 4K video, I'd need an editing machine that was at least eight times as fast, plus far greater data storage for archiving, ne editing software (under Adobe's expensive subscription plans)... It'd be wonderful to shoot in 4K and have all of that extra room to reframe and crop in post for a 1080p final product... but again, the expense is massive.

    I'd be very happy if the home video standard remained as it is.

     
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    I don't really understand what you're getting at with this. The recent HDMI 2.0 standard allows 4K data to be carried between a player and the screen (at up to 18Gbps), and 4K Blu-ray is already being developed (and discussed here). None of this is going to affect current 1080p Blu-ray specs, so it's not going to benefit 1080p TVs. That is unless you use a 4K Blu-ray player on a 1080p TV that supports HDMI 2.0, which I imagine won't be all that common.

    I imagine a lot of people would be. On current-sized screens, and with a good source and proper handling, 1080p looks more than adequate. The problem is that the manufacturers don't want to retain the current standard, and are deliberately pushing 4K. So basically, like it or not, in a few years' time, everything will be geared towards 4K. It won't be so much a luxury as a necessity if you're into home theater.
     
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    AMEN...waiting for the BDA to roll out the actual true 4k physical format this coming year...hope to see prototype players/discs at CES this week!!!
     
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    Why will it be a necessity? Why will it not be possible for film lovers like me simply to ignore 4K and to carry on with the Blu-ray standard? My BRDs are not suddenly going to become unplayable.

    I project onto a ten foot wide screen. For domestic reasons, I can't go much wider and I don't really want to anyway. BRDs like Funny Girl, Wild River and Lawrence Of Arabia look absolutely superb. I'm sceptical that there's scope for worthwhile improvement.
     
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    When it comes to resolution the 4k material that I saw looked a bit better even on 1080p displays and downscaled to 1080p.And I am sure that you would see a difference with Lawrence of Arabia at 1 screen width away. At 1.5 screen widths not that much and at 2 screen widths probably not. I also find it harder to see differences in picture quality on displays of lesser size and in most cases it is not practical to sit close neough anyway.Also keep in mind that you will get full 4:4:4 full HD with 4k and probably also a higher bit depth (at least 10, possibly more) and hopefully a bigger color space.So while luma resolution alone may not bring the worthwhile improvement for most there are other benefits that will probably be part of a new standard.
     
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    Somewhere just above in the thread, someone mentioned uncompressed 4k data.Uncompressed 4k data would generally be in the form of dpx files.No one outside of the industry should desire or need dpx data. Nor would the industry be desirous of supplying it, for piracy reasons. I use dpx and high-rez QT files, but outside of my work...No.RAH
     

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