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I was always curious why they stopped making more films when there had been one every 2 years since the beginning.
It's a long story:
http://007today.blogspot.ca/
If you want a quick, easy and condensed answer it would be because EON had to protect itself from what it felt were shady business practices that could potentially devalue the series; therefore a lawsuit was launched...The details of this tenuous, nearly seven year journey, would trace their roots back to studio unrest and lack of confidence extended towards Licence to Kill even before it had opened.
1988-1989
MGM/UA began to have serious concerns about bankrolling Bond films in which they had little creative input. Albert Broccoli had bought United Artists 50% stake in Danjaq in the early 80`s (UA bought the shares in 1975 from Harry Saltzman when he sold his interest in the series and got out of the business of making Bond films) and thus retained 100% total creative control over the direction the series would take. But with the studio facing internal financial problems, they needed more bang for their buck, and were becoming less enthralled with Broccoli`s decision making.
The tension began to manifest itself in the way in which MGM/UA marketed Licence To Kill, or should we say, didn`t market Licence To Kill. Bob Peak`s original artwork was scrapped in exchange for a low brow, lowest-common-denominator approach. His painted, "classic" style artwork was traded for a run-of-the-mill computer composite poster that featured Timothy Dalton, Robert Davi, Talisa Soto and Carey Lowell in a rather non-descript pose. The title was changed from the more poignant LICENSE REVOKED to the generic LICENSE TO KILL out of fear that the American audience was too stupid to differentiate a Bond film from a teenage driving flick. With the exception of a guest appearance on MTV by Talisa Soto, both she and Carey Lowell were conspicuously absent from print media, as well as television and radio talk shows to promote the film. It was enough to make Timothy Dalton, in 1989, declare to BONDAGE Magazine #16: "My feeling is this will be the last one. I don`t mean my last one. I mean the end of the whole lot. I don`t speak with any real authority, but it`s sort of a feeling I have. Sorry!"
Dalton probably knew more than he let on, but it was clear even to him that the series was already in danger and this was well before the messy legal action that would explode onto the scene one year later. Creative control issues were merely the beginning of Danjaq`s problems.
1989-1990
The North American box office receipts were abysmal: the film debuted in 4th place in its first weekend, dropped to 7th place in its second weekend and by the third weekend of release fell completely out of the Top 10. North American box office amounted to an underwhelming $34 million dollars (estimated). In August 1990 director John Glen and long time writer Richard Maibaum were unceremoniously dumped from the series. Variety Magazine quoted an anonymous, and apparently uninformed, EON insider as saying Maibaum was a "has-been" who had only contributed dialogue on the recent films.
The current script under development, which was to deal with robots run amok and take place in Scotland, Japan, and Hong Kong, was scrapped. At the same time, the August 8th issue of Variety reported that Cubby Broccoli put Danjaq, the company that holds the rights to the Fleming stories, up for sale and then handed over EON Productions to his daughter, Barbara Broccoli, and step-son Michael G. Wilson (to be fair, Michael and Barbara had been groomed for this responsibility for a long time and in conjunction with Cubby`s fragile health, this was as good a time as any to make a change). The asking price for Danjaq was a reported $200 million dollars, though conservative estimates placed the value nearer at $166 million. MGM/UA considered buying Danjaq, but balked at the steep price tag. Other big name players came and went on the financial scene, such as producer Joel Silver of "Lethal Weapon" fame. He was high on the idea of doing Bond and having his longtime friend and box office champ Mel Gibson play 007. But Silver, like others, found the exclusive distribution deal with MGM/UA too hard to swallow. No one wanted to be committed to a project that was tethered to a sinking studio.
The problems really began to pile up with the proposed merger of MGM/UA and Pathe Communications. Giancarlo Paretti, a corrupt Italian businessman with a long history of bank fraud and worthless checks, ran Pathe. Before Giancarlo even owned MGM/UA, he intended to sell off foreign television rights to the Bond series piecemeal in an effort to finance his takeover. He made outside deals with television networks in France, Spain, Italy, South Korea, and Japan without first consulting Danjaq. A deal with Ted Turner`s cable superstation TBS may have proven the most irksome. In his book "Bond and Beyond", Tom Soter describes the prevailing attitude at the time towards the TBS deal for "James Bond Wednesdays": "He (Cubby Broccoli) was angry about the way the previous movies had been sold to television-Ted Turner`s cable superstation TBS was running a Bond movie a week at one point-which Broccoli felt decreased the series value." The TBS angle would become a side issue in a protracted two-year legal battle. Giancarlo Paretti bought MGM/Pathe on Oct. 22, 1990 for $1.3 billion and two days later signed a deal to sell 860 MGM/UA movie titles to Telecinco, a Spanish TV network. However, two weeks before that he signed a deal to sell 1,200 MGM/UA titles to Forta, another Spanish TV network.
Days before the merger though, Danjaq filed suit to block the deal. At the press junket for the movie GOLDENEYE, Goldeneye Magazine #4 (published by the Ian Fleming Foundation) recorded Michael Wilson`s comments in which he explained their strategic moves:"What happened was that Paretti took over MGM, and he wanted to have a leverage buyout, and we sued in federal court to enjoin him, and we failed, on the basis that if the leverage buyout went forward, that the company would be bankrupt, and four months later they were bankrupt."
Kirk Kerkorian, who had sold MGM/UA to the Australian Company Qintex, sued over Paretti`s mismanagement. Kerkorian was in turn served with a shareholder lawsuit over his own sales of MGM/UA assets of back catalogue. In 1992, Crédit Lyonnais also brought a lawsuit against Kerkorian, claiming that Kerkorian had left MGM in financial disarray when he sold it to Paretti. Even Blake Edwards jumped in and sued MGM/Pathe over the rights to the Pink Panther series. Danjaq wasn`t the only company whose ties to MGM/Pathe seemed at times to be more of an albatross rather than a blessing.
1992-1993
After two years of litigation and negotiation Mr. Parretti lost control of MGM/Pathe to the French bank Crédit Lyonnais after defaulting on loan repayments in 1992. The French government in turn had to bail out Crédit Lyonnais to the tune of nearly $10 billion dollars. It had invested badly in the entertainment industry, and MGM/Pathe was just one of many bad judgement calls. Some Crédit Lyonnais bankers admitted they took bribes in exchange for overlooking Paretti`s questionable finances. Jean-Michel Raingeard, a spokesman for the Consortium de Realisation, the government company who liquidated Crédit Lyonnaisassets, acknowledged: "This loss will be covered by the taxpayers at the end of the year". Political heads rolled and a French Minister was sacked from his job. A consortium of buyers, led by Kirk Kerkorian, bought back MGM/UA. That deal left the French government, which took over MGM from the Crédit Lyonnais banking group, with roughly $1 billion dollars of losses.
Paretti had dropped out of sight for a while (thus prompting Crédit Lyonnais to declare him in default of his loan obligations) only to resurface in Italian court to answer to security fraud accusations. Paretti was wanted in both Europe and the United States.
In December of 1992 Pathe and Paretti were gone and MGM/Pathe went back to being MGM/UA. While the legal issues had dominated the Bond landscape for the better part of three years, it was now time to return to the issue of producing a new Bond film. By April of 1993 Michael France had been chose to write the new script.
1993-1995
Thinking the first draft would be turned in within twelve weeks, MGM/UA Chairman Alan Ladd proclaimed the project to be on the fast track. But that fast track had a few bumps along the way. France took longer to write the script than was originally expected. After rewrites by Bruce Feirstein, among others, it looked as if the project was all set. Filming was scheduled to begin August 1994 for a summer `95 release. Then, according to press reports at the time, TRUE LIES, Arnold Shwarzenegger`s 1994 film, came along and contained enough action sequence similarities to the current GOLDENEYE script that EON was forced to back off its August 1994 start date, rewrite the storyline and push production to January 1995. On January 16, 1995 principal photography began on GOLDENEYE in Leavesden, England. By the time GOLDENEYE was released in the United States on November 17th, 1995, nearly six and a half years had gone by.
Even if there had never been a single lawsuit filed and Paretti had never entered the picture, it is unlikely that another film would have been immediately made for release in 1991, nor would Dalton have returned to the role. The creative control issues became temporarily dwarfed by the litigation, but when the smoke and dust cleared from all of that, Dalton found himself right back where he started: on the hot seat. John Calley, CEO of MGM/UA in 1994 and 1995, was reportedly adamant that a new Bond be hired for the next film. Dalton was the "Bond of record", but gracefully bowed out of the role, thus saving Albert Broccoli from having to make the hard call of firing Dalton.
 

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MGM commisioned the Lowry company to work their "magic" on all of the bond films several years ago. That is when all of the high definition transfers were done, either 4K or 2K, depending on the film. Those transfers were downscaled for the DVD re-releases. MGM is simply using those transfers for blu-ray now. I can understand MGM not creating new HD transfers since they probably paid Lowry a boatload of money to twiddle their digital knobs and apply their, I'm sure proprietary at the time, miracle degraining software.
It's funny watching films as recent as Goldeneye and Tomorrow Never Dies and seeing restoration credits at the end. It's ridiculous. Like those film really needed to go through the digital grinder. This Lowry guy sure was good at marketing himself.
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James, Dr. No looks very good. You will be pleased I suspect. Thank you for the rest of the information.
Yes, reports indicate the Lowry scans were used; however, that doesn't mean that additional DNR wasn't applied during Blu-ray authoring. Reliance worked on TITANIC, which got a rave review here and ALIENS, which everyone worried about in advance, but Mr. Harris wrote:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/305210/a-few-words-about-alien-anthology-in-blu-ray
I've had 35mm prints of both Alien and Aliens, and have seen Aliens in 70mm. What I can easily tell you about the set is that both Alien and Aliens are the best that I've ever personally seen, with audio that will test even the largest home theater's amps and speakers. Detail, black levels, color, densities and all else are letter perfect.
The discussions on line regarding director James Cameron de-graining Aliens comes down to miscommunication. It appears that some of the heavier grain has been massaged, but the film looks like film, and better than it ever has
That suggests to me that these Blu-rays could have looked terrific if the studio wanted; I think the evidence points to the owners of the film desiring this "look". See this article:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118053315
All the titles in the boxed set are expected to be transfers from the 4K restorations made by Lowry Digital. Lowry painstakingly restored each title frame-by-frame for the Ultimate Edition DVDs that were released starting in late 2006.
Regarding the work of Reliance:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/as-he-converts-titanic-3d-207316
After he showed 15 minutes of Titanic 3D this week to motion picture exhibitors at CineEurope in Amersterdam -- the footage was greeted with cheers and applause -- James Cameron explained that the eye-popping results weren’t just the result of upgrading to 3D.
Even before he could begin the conversion process to turn Titanic from a 2D into a 3D movie, he had to restore the original 1997 film. The goal was to create a new, cleaner version of the film in all formats -- including 3D and 35 mm. “This is more about Titanic returning to the theaters than just 3D,” Cameron said.
OK, I just found something more from another site, which I hope isn't considered venturing on hostile territory, it may explain a great deal:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6403/bond_50.html
MGM Home Entertainment (via distributor 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment) previously released the majority of the James Bond films on Blu-ray back in 2008, both in individual editions and three smaller box set compilations. Unfortunately, MGM's financial crisis halted production of further discs with nine titles still left to go. Fans have eagerly awaited completion of the series for the past four years...
As mentioned above, 12 of the discs are identical to Blu-ray copies released in 2008. The bulk of the restoration work dates back to high-def masters struck for the 2006 Ultimate Edition DVD releases, for which MGM contracted Lowry Digital to clean-up and repair as much of the films' age-related damage as possible. (Some of the Blu-rays had further touch-ups beyond what was done for DVD.) On a number of the titles, Lowry scanned the original camera negatives at 4k resolution. These typically look the best. On some of the titles, unfortunately, the firm was limited to working with existing video masters, and those tend to be more problematic.
So was Goldeneye a film taken from a video master? I suspect Mr. Belson from Fox, even if they distributed, played no part, which is too bad. I wonder if money was a problem, given MGM's financial condition. My point, however, is that Reliance could have done a great job if the original directors, if possible, were involved, as Cameron was.
I suppose we'll learn more as time passes.
 

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So was Goldeneye a film taken from a video master? I suspect Mr. Belson from Fox, even if they distributed, played no part, which is too bad. I wonder if money was a problem, given MGM's financial condition.
I haven't gotten to GoldenEye yet, but at the end of each movie should be a Restoration Credits screen. If there's a listing for a 4k scan, it was done new at the time of the 2006 Ulimate Edition DVDs. If there's no listing for a 4k scan, Lowry just applied some digital tinkering to an existing HD master.
At the time the Ulimate Edition DVDs were released, many people complained that GoldenEye had been zoomed-in and was missing picture from all four sides of the frame. The Blu-ray reportedly does not have this issue. People have speculated that this means that MGM went back to an older, DNR-laden but properly-framed DVD master and didn't use the Lowry Ultimate Edition master.
 

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I haven't gotten to GoldenEye yet, but at the end of each movie should be a Restoration Credits screen. If there's a listing for a 4k scan, it was done new at the time of the 2006 Ulimate Edition DVDs. If there's no listing for a 4k scan, Lowry just applied some digital tinkering to an existing HD master.
At the time the Ulimate Edition DVDs were released, many people complained that GoldenEye had been zoomed-in and was missing picture from all four sides of the frame. The Blu-ray reportedly does not have this issue. People have speculated that this means that MGM went back to an older, DNR-laden but properly-framed DVD master and didn't use the Lowry Ultimate Edition master.
Thanks, Josh. But to clarify, I've no idea, unless you can tell from the credits, that the Blu-ray was "authored" by Reliance/Lowry, i.e., MGM didn't have some other facility make the Blu-ray from Lowry work. But I wonder which titles are from videos? Maybe Mr. Finn from Fox could find out an answer, unless that would create diplomatic problems.
A ton of individual Bond tiles are on sale now at Amazon.com. Check the price drop link on this site.
 

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Thanks, Josh. But to clarify, I've no idea, unless you can tell from the credits, that the Blu-ray was "authored" by Reliance/Lowry, i.e., MGM didn't have some other facility make the Blu-ray from Lowry work. But I wonder which titles are from videos?
When Lowry Digital remasterd the movies, they created a series of HD masters that were given to MGM. MGM (or Fox, I'm not sure) downconverted the masters to 480i for the DVDs and to 1080p for the Blu-rays. The actual disc authoring (putting the files on the disc, creating the menus, etc.) was performed by Fox. That's why all of the discs open with a Fox trailer, not an MGM trailer.
I just checked GoldenEye, and the disc does not have any Lowry remastering/restoration credits at the end, as all of the other (pre-Casino Royale) titles do. This would seem to back up the theory that MGM used an older HD master for that movie, one that was probably prepared for the first DVD release.
 

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JoshZ said:
When Lowry Digital remasterd the movies, they created a series of HD masters that were given to MGM. MGM (or Fox, I'm not sure) downconverted the masters to 480i for the DVDs and to 1080p for the Blu-rays. The actual disc authoring (putting the files on the disc, creating the menus, etc.) was performed by Fox. That's why all of the discs open with a Fox trailer, not an MGM trailer.
I just checked GoldenEye, and the disc does not have any Lowry remastering/restoration credits at the end, as all of the other (pre-Casino Royale) titles do. This would seem to back up the theory that MGM used an older HD master for that movie, one that was probably prepared for the first DVD release.
Thanks, Josh. I just viewed your profile and as a Valley Girl would squeal, OMG! I found your review (link above), heck I'll post it again, http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/6403/bond_50.html and never made the connection, you were the reviewer/author!!! :rolleyes: Maybe this is one of the video masters you mention? Do you have a Fox contact to talk to, if it doesn't create hard feelings? Does Mr. Belsen (spelling?) give interviews to the press, Mr. H thinks highly of him.
And BTW, I liked your writing, my first look at your site, which I suppose parallels this one. Maybe you can review for HTF, do a YouTube etc. A ton of great information on your article, thank you! :D
How does your system compare to Mr. Harris's? I mean, he has Oppo, a big projection Hitachi, 100" screen, calibrated etc. I'm sure we all will see this Blu-ray is a mess, even on my 50" Panny. But we'll have to wait for his reviews, if forthcoming, on the other title. The worthy opposition actually liked Diamonds' picture quality, i.e., Blu-ray.com and OHMSS (if I got the acronym right).
I note at your site no other reviews other than Dr. No and Russia, and if Mr. H. doesn't mind, links here:
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/7827/bond50_drno.html
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/7828/bond50_frwl.html
Thanks again, have a good one!
 

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Yeah, I'm not going to get this bluray either. I'll stick with my laserdisc for now.
 

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Goldeneye for me was decent when I first saw it. The Nintendo 64 game gives it some of it's popularity as it was more popular then even the movie. Well at least for people in thier late 20's and early 30's that grew up in the mid-90's with the N64. I personally thought Tomorrow Never Dies was a lot better.It's still too bad to hear MGM skipped on the transfer. I guess that is what the 55th or 60th anniversary it for? Proper 4K scan of goldeneye:D.
 

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JoshZ said:
I just checked GoldenEye, and the disc does not have any Lowry remastering/restoration credits at the end, as all of the other (pre-Casino Royale) titles do. This would seem to back up the theory that MGM used an older HD master for that movie, one that was probably prepared for the first DVD release.
Whata ya know, indeed it does not. Goldeneye being the worst of the lot, it makes sense. Still, not a fan of what Lowry has done to these movies or the fact they get credit for supposedly "restoring" ten year old films. And making them look worse in the process.
 

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Thanks for the post Robert! Entertaining as always!
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the other 8!
 

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As always, Mr. Harris, thanks for your witty insights :cool:
JoshZ said:
I just checked GoldenEye, and the disc does not have any Lowry remastering/restoration credits at the end, as all of the other (pre-Casino Royale) titles do. This would seem to back up the theory that MGM used an older HD master for that movie, one that was probably prepared for the first DVD release.
I'm fairly convinced that's what happened, and they just slapped the newer UA logo on it. This is still one of the more successful films in the series, and it was the film that introduced a new generation to James Bond in the 90s. Seems like it would be worthy of a little more care and attention.
 

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This review is an insult to all of the hardworking filmmakers out there who use Orwo trims and suburban Siberian laboratories. I demand a retraction!
 

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I remember that the Ultimate Edition DVD was not only cropped on all four sides, but it also had the titles repositioned on the screen, presumably so they wouldn't be cropped in the pan-and-scan version.
 

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Yep, somehow Lowry came into the possession of duff masters.
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Apparently, from what I've discerned from information found on the web, the production entity instituted a saving of over $120,000 by using short ends of an archaic Orwo film stock, left over from the 1960s.
On a positive note, and as one can see from the completed Blu-ray, the stock is virtually grainless. On a negative note, processing, which was affected by a small lab outside Siberia, caused anomalies to the stock, initially reported in one of the trades, in a piece entitled Processing woes new arch-villain in latest Bond epic." These anomalies, which look similar to digital sharpening, tend to mar what might have been a superb image, pushing it, in certain ways, toward the look of the original Patton Blu-ray.
Interesting. It was certainly a tight budget and a couple if storyboarded action sequences had to be reduced altogether. In 1995, the film looked bright and vibrant – the red of the Ferrari was popping out of the scene. Previous home video releases were all decent for their time though – until the restoration came along….
JoshZ said:
I just checked GoldenEye, and the disc does not have any Lowry remastering/restoration credits at the end, as all of the other (pre-Casino Royale) titles do. This would seem to back up the theory that MGM used an older HD master for that movie, one that was probably prepared for the first DVD release.
I don’t know what’s worse then- Lowry or MGM doing the work!
 

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brioni said:
Yep, somehow Lowry came into the possession of duff masters.
Interesting. It was certainly a tight budget and a couple if storyboarded action sequences had to be reduced altogether. In 1995, the film looked bright and vibrant – the red of the Ferrari was popping out of the scene. Previous home video releases were all decent for their time though – until the restoration came along….
I don’t know what’s worse then- Lowry or MGM doing the work!
I couldn't tell if Robert was being serious on the old film stock comment or not. I still don't know..
I need to check out Goldeneye very soon though. Interesting that this is a new master and there are no Lowry credits at the end of it!
Can't wait to hear The Experience of Love in DTS HD MA sound.
Ha!
 

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I couldn't tell if Robert was being serious on the old film stock comment or not. I still don't know..
I need to check out Goldeneye very soon though. Interesting that this is a new master and there are no Lowry credits at the end of it!
Can't wait to hear The Experience of Love in DTS HD MA sound.
Ha!
I believe Robert's tongue was planted firmly in his cheek. And I'm convinced that this is actually a very old master, as the color on it looks very similar to the old SE DVD release from the late 90s. Most of the other Bond Blu-rays look pretty nice, so this kind of sticks out like a sore thumb, especially since the film is one of the better-looking films in the series (in terms of the original cinematography).
 

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We've yet to receive these as singles in Canada (along with Diamonds and Octop.)...and likely won't until Spring 2013 when Skyfall is released. I'm hoping Fox will do a quiet remastering job ahead of this. Alhough it's always looked drab, and is vastly overrated, it deserves much better.
 

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Mikey1969 said:
We've yet to receive these as singles in Canada (along with Diamonds and Octop.)...and likely won't until Spring 2013 when Skyfall is released. I'm hoping Fox will do a quiet remastering job ahead of this. Alhough it's always looked drab, and is vastly overrated, it deserves much better.
??? I saw singles of the newer titles this weekend at Future Shop ( all priced at $9.99) and Sunrise records.
 

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I believe Robert's tongue was planted firmly in his cheek. And I'm convinced that this is actually a very old master, as the color on it looks very similar to the old SE DVD release from the late 90s. Most of the other Bond Blu-rays look pretty nice, so this kind of sticks out like a sore thumb, especially since the film is one of the better-looking films in the series (in terms of the original cinematography).
Got it. I just read another review that seems to confirm that it's an old master.
Real missing opportunity here huh?
I guess I'll have a reason for the next upgrade huh?
It's really too bad they did not have Lowry do a new master for the film. Sounds like the audio could've been tweaked a bit as well.
Next time?
 

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