Jay G.
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Mr. Harris,
That's an interesting post on the limitations of film projection. However, your defense of the 1.78:1 ratio does lead to an interesting question: If this presentation is at least on par with a 1.66:1 theatrical screening, why didn't the other 3 films in the collection that are 1.66:1 get reformatted to 1.78:1? In fact, based on your description of these theatrical limitations, you'd be fine with any 1.66:1 film from the 70s or earlier being reformatted in the same manner to 1.78:1. Is that correct?
Also, I think you're giving Vitali too much benefit of the doubt. It's important to note that Vitali isn't claiming that the 1.78:1 reframing isn't due to differences between modern home video and 1970's 1.66:1 theatrical screenings, but that the film has always been 1.77:1. He has been taken at his word for this by the Kubrick estate for at least the Kubrick Archive book, and likely for the 2002 Egyptian screening, which, due to occurring after Kubrick's death, loses some of its authority. That Vitali is claiming this is the one and true aspect ratio means that it affects not only this release, but potentially all future releases, and rewrites history.
In regards to the extra image on the side, it's clear that the Blu-ray has slightly more than the LD, and likely more than seen in many theaters. However, it's also clear that it still crops the top and bottom of the LD, and from how I read the chart provided and description of the trapezoid effect, a 1.75:1 theatrical screening would crop more from all four sides than a 1.66:1 screening would. Also, the width on the print/negative for a 1.66:1 film would be the same width as a 1.75:1 film, and the loss on the sides from the LD/DVD transfer may have been due to a limitation of the technology at the time, or even a mistake. Surely if the new 1.78:1 transfer was able to capture more image on the sides, a new 1.66:1 transfer would've captured the same amount of additional horizontal image, while still retaining the correct height Kubrick wanted for theatrical screenings (as evidenced by testimony from people who ran screenings of the film over the years, and quotes from interviews and biographies on Kubrick).
http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2011/05/leon-vitali-on-the-barry-lyndon-aspect-ratio-issue.html?cid=6a00e5523026f588340154329391f7970c#comment-6a00e5523026f588340154329391f7970c
That's an interesting post on the limitations of film projection. However, your defense of the 1.78:1 ratio does lead to an interesting question: If this presentation is at least on par with a 1.66:1 theatrical screening, why didn't the other 3 films in the collection that are 1.66:1 get reformatted to 1.78:1? In fact, based on your description of these theatrical limitations, you'd be fine with any 1.66:1 film from the 70s or earlier being reformatted in the same manner to 1.78:1. Is that correct?
Also, I think you're giving Vitali too much benefit of the doubt. It's important to note that Vitali isn't claiming that the 1.78:1 reframing isn't due to differences between modern home video and 1970's 1.66:1 theatrical screenings, but that the film has always been 1.77:1. He has been taken at his word for this by the Kubrick estate for at least the Kubrick Archive book, and likely for the 2002 Egyptian screening, which, due to occurring after Kubrick's death, loses some of its authority. That Vitali is claiming this is the one and true aspect ratio means that it affects not only this release, but potentially all future releases, and rewrites history.
In regards to the extra image on the side, it's clear that the Blu-ray has slightly more than the LD, and likely more than seen in many theaters. However, it's also clear that it still crops the top and bottom of the LD, and from how I read the chart provided and description of the trapezoid effect, a 1.75:1 theatrical screening would crop more from all four sides than a 1.66:1 screening would. Also, the width on the print/negative for a 1.66:1 film would be the same width as a 1.75:1 film, and the loss on the sides from the LD/DVD transfer may have been due to a limitation of the technology at the time, or even a mistake. Surely if the new 1.78:1 transfer was able to capture more image on the sides, a new 1.66:1 transfer would've captured the same amount of additional horizontal image, while still retaining the correct height Kubrick wanted for theatrical screenings (as evidenced by testimony from people who ran screenings of the film over the years, and quotes from interviews and biographies on Kubrick).
http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2011/05/leon-vitali-on-the-barry-lyndon-aspect-ratio-issue.html?cid=6a00e5523026f588340154329391f7970c#comment-6a00e5523026f588340154329391f7970c