1. Guest,
    If you need help getting to know Xenforo, please see our guide here. If you have feedback or questions, please post those here.
    Dismiss Notice

2012 MLB Regular Season and Post Season

Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by Patrick_S, Mar 27, 2012.

  1. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
    .367 -- Highest career batting average (Cobb) I think this got rounded down to .366 a few years ago due to some scoring reconsideration. But, as kids, it was always .367!
    56 -- Joe D's "The Streak"
    .406 -- Last .400 season. Teddy Ballgame in 1941
    12 perfect innings and a loss -- Harvey Haddix. Do you know how the game ended? It's a cool story. Kind of an oddity in itself.
    Walt Dropo -- not sure what about Dropo is uniquely significant.
    7 (This one may be a bit ambiguous, but I think you'll get it.) -- For the longest time I was stuck on Mickey Mantle's uniform # but then realized you probably meant Nolan Ryan's 7 no-hitters.
     
  2. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    Mike,
    Well done! Yes, the '7' was indeed ambiguous, but you got what I was referring to with that one (Ryan).
    Dropo's streak may have been tied. When I was a child, he was the holder of the most consecutive hits (12, I believe). Has that been equaled?
    I'd love to hear the ending to the Harvey Haddix game. :)
     
  3. Greg_S_H

    Greg_S_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2001
    Messages:
    15,256
    Likes Received:
    219
    Location:
    North Texas
    Real Name:
    Greg
    In case you're out of the market, the Giants' Matt Cain is four outs away from pitching a perfect game against Houston. Make that three.
     
  4. Greg_S_H

    Greg_S_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2001
    Messages:
    15,256
    Likes Received:
    219
    Location:
    North Texas
    Real Name:
    Greg
    He got it.
     
  5. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
     
  6. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    Mike,
    Wow, what an amazing ending to an amazing game! The name of Harvey Haddix was etched in my mind from a very early age.
    Am I the only one that thinks that the timing of Matt Cain's perfect game jiving with what Mike and I have been writing about with regard to statistics, batting averages, no-hitters, and various records, etc., is a bit eerie? Perhaps a better adjective would suffice, but I find it a little odd!
     
  7. Greg_S_H

    Greg_S_H Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2001
    Messages:
    15,256
    Likes Received:
    219
    Location:
    North Texas
    Real Name:
    Greg
    Synchronicity? Nailed it! :D
     
  8. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
    Imagine if somehow Aaron or Adcock had screwed up the baserunning before Mantilla had scored the run!!!

    Haddix could still be pitching in that game!

    ================

    And to Scott's question about synchronicity (or, maybe, serendipity)...

    Just think: only 22 Perfect Games in all of baseball history. 143 years. Wiki notes that more people have orbited the moon than have pitched perfect games.
     
  9. Sumnernor

    Sumnernor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2007
    Messages:
    831
    Likes Received:
    16
    Location:
    Munich, Germany
    Real Name:
    Sumner Northcutt
    I don't have the stat but there are fewer unassistant triple plays than perfect games! A few years ago, the player threw the ball into the stands!!!
     
  10. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
    HERE'S the wiki page on unassisted triple plays. There have been 15 in mlb history.

    In this passage, Wiki compares the unassisted triple play with perfect games and other feats:




    I think the idea of the number of unassisted triple plays correlating to the interest of managers into sending runners makes a lot of sense. That makes for an interesting way to divide up eras of baseball.
     
  11. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    "And to Scott's question about synchronicity (or, maybe, serendipity)..."
    Mike,
    I actually thought of both words soon after I posted. :)
     
  12. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    Mike,
    Well, I suppose it had to happen. I wish Youkilis the best with the White Sox. I don't know if we'll miss him or not, especially given Middlebrooks' play lately. We'll see. The two ovations Youkilis got during the final Red Sox - Braves game were heartwarming, and IMO well-deserved. :)
     
  13. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
    It is funny how attached Red Sox Nation gets to individual players.

    Youk deserved the adulation. He played hard and worked hard during his time with the Red Sox.

    I am a little concerned that I don't think the Red Sox are necessarily a better team after the trade. They really didn't get that much from the White Sox and are still paying the bulk of Youk's '12 salary (which ain't insubstantial).

    I hope, of course (like many Red Sox fans) that this trade acts as a catalyst for the '12 team like the summer of '04 trade of Nomar Garciaparra was for that team.
     
  14. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    Mike,
    I miss Nomar -- a lot. ;(
    Agreed that the BoSox didn't get much in return for Youkilis. I read that they did free up about two million, but that they will still have to pay him the bulk of his contract. When the trade of Youkilis was being talked about, I wished somehow that Garza and Dempster could have been worked into a deal with Chicago, as Boston needs starting pitching. But the Cubs were never at this particular table, unfortunately.
     
  15. Patrick_S

    Patrick_S Premium
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,203
    Likes Received:
    76
    Seriously? What makes you think the Sox could have gotten either Garza or Dempster let alone both for an over the hill position player like Youkilis?
    The Cubs will trade both eventually but it will be for some prospects and not some player on the down side of his career.
     
  16. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    ^^^
    Nothing makes me think they could have gotten either pitcher. I wrote that I *wished* that they somehow could have worked them into a deal.
     
  17. Patrick_S

    Patrick_S Premium
    Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,203
    Likes Received:
    76
    Sorry Scott literally seconds before I posted I had just finished a conversation with an ignorant Giants' fan so I wasn't in a good mood.
    Now if the Sox want to trade some decent prospects for either I'm sure Theo would be willing to make it happen.
     
  18. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
    Us Boston fans "wish" a lot of things.

    Youk is definitely on the downside of his career..but he definitely has a fair amount of value left in him and the Sox should have gotten a lot more than they did. They, unfortunately, backed themselves into one of those situations where he "had to go" because his two positions (first and third base) had better players who could be written into the starting line-up. The pickup of Gonzales was a calculated move...but I think the sudden emergence of Will Middlebrooks came as a surprise to the Boston braintrust.

    But Youk will still be putting up some good numbers the next couple of years. He could now be even more motivated to do so! He may have lost a step or two at third...but a lot of people forget he won a Gold Glove at first base, too.
     
  19. Ockeghem

    Ockeghem Ockeghem

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2007
    Messages:
    9,420
    Likes Received:
    355
    Real Name:
    Scott D. Atwell
    Patrick,
    No problem at all. I wish the Red Sox could get Garza, but I don't know what we'd have to give up to get him. He was quite a thorn in our side when he was with Tampa Bay. And a few years ago, I really liked Dempster's game. (Okay, maybe it was the way he flipped his glove around before he delivered.) I don't know how long the latter is on the DL, but I wouldn't mind picking him up somehow.
    Mike,
    From what you've read, do you think Youk was a problem in the clubhouse? I remember a couple of years ago when he got into it with Manny in the dugout, but I never perceived him (Youk) as a trouble-maker.
     
  20. Mike Frezon

    Mike Frezon Moderator
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 9, 2001
    Messages:
    35,877
    Likes Received:
    4,567
    Location:
    Rensselaer, NY
    Scott: He was supposedly intense in the dugout/clubhouse (think Paul O'Neill). But my understanding is that he was extremely well-liked and well-respected by his teammates. I think the Manny confrontation only served to further bolster such feelings. You can be sure Manny deserved whatever he got.

    I remember thinking when I first heard Bobby Valentine's messy verbiage about Youk early on in the season that the only reason a manager would ever say something like that (not having the passion he once had for the game) about a player like Youk was that he was on the trade block. It's not too often I'm right about something like that...

    Ah well. Time to move on and embrace the new kid.
     

Share This Page