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post #331 of 719
3/12/03 at 4:22pm
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Yep, that tv is 480p/1080i.

-Dave
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post #332 of 719
3/12/03 at 5:07pm
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Yep, that tv is 480p/1080i.


Thought that might be it, however, playing in 480P rather than 720P means nothing more than the graphic edges aren't quite as smooth. The 16:9 issue is a separate one and if someone out there has seen it run in 16:9 I'd sure like to know how they did it!
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post #333 of 719
3/12/03 at 6:34pm
Michael, if the game supports 720p, then it also supports 480p by default.

It couldn't be a HD game (720p) and NOT be in widescreen.

It's getting reported all over that it's 16:9. I'll have the game tomorrow and confirm it.
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post #334 of 719
3/12/03 at 8:09pm
Jon, are you saying it's possible that the game would display in 16:9 mode on sets supporting 720P, but NOT on sets like mine which are 480P/1080i?

That strikes me as bizarre if so.
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post #335 of 719
3/12/03 at 8:48pm
No, I'm saying that if any content (game or television broadcast) is in 720p HD, then by definition it's in the 16:9 format.

WSB 2k3 DOES support 720p (fact, confirmed by many)...just not here yet, and by that fact we can be sure that it also has 16:9 support.

If it's 16:9/720p, then by default it will also be 16:9/480p.
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post #336 of 719
3/12/03 at 8:59pm
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No, I'm saying that if any content (game or television broadcast) is in 720p HD, then by definition it's in the 16:9 format.


Well, it sure won't do 16:9 on my set, and if there's something I'm missing, I'd sure like to know what it is!
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post #337 of 719
3/12/03 at 9:14pm
I'm assuming:

-you have the HD kit and have connected the XBox to a 480p component input jack on your 16:9 HDTV
-you have 16:9 enabled in the XBox Dashboard
-you have your HDTV set to it's regular/full mode

If so, the game should be 16:9. I've talked to other trusted people on other forums and they are all telling me it's 16:9 and is the best looking baseball game out of the bunch. I'll have it tomorrow to see for myself.
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post #338 of 719
3/12/03 at 9:36pm
Jon, everything is properly set in the dashboard: "widescreen", "480P", and "1020i" are all enabled. Many other titles play fine.

The XBox over-rides my TV screen settings so it shouldn't matter what setting it's in, but I tried all three anyway to no avail.

Others on certain Sega forums are reporting the same thing and the only possibility I can guess is 720P capability is REQUIRED to get a 16:9 display leaving 480P sets high and dry. Never heard of this before but what else could it be?
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post #339 of 719
3/12/03 at 9:52pm
That's very odd, and certainly would be a first for a game (to have 16:9 support for one resolution, and not all of them).
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post #340 of 719
3/13/03 at 5:10am
On my Hitachi, it shows up as 720p (which the hitachi converts to 1080i) and 16x9. The menus however are in 4x3.

For the most part I love the Hidef look to the game. The only thing I am not thrilled with is when in Widescreen, while pitching or batting, all of the stats and displays are shown in the middle, with nothing on the edges. I wish they would have spread out the menu a bit more for the widesreen, to give a bigger view of the middle of the field.

But that is a small nitpick for this great game. But the purpose of this post, it's 16x9 and 720p. Guaranteed.
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post #341 of 719
3/13/03 at 7:04am
Well boys, then there's no other possibility I can see.

This title MUST display in 16:9 when in 720P mode, but NOT when in 480P.

A hell of alot of HDTV sets don't support 720P, I've got the RCA (1 year old) and a Mitsubishi Diamond 55" HDTV (2 years old) and neither does.

This is ridiculous!!! Anyone know if that graphic dinosaur High Heat would display 16:9? It's my last hope from this year's BB games!
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post #342 of 719
3/13/03 at 8:19am
High Heat 2004 does support 16x9. It was amusing at first since I was used to playing HH2003 in Full mode and everyone got so thin this year

The players are a bit "wider" in WSB 2k3 on my HDTV (in 480p) than HH2004, but I figured that was just artistic.If what Mike is saying is true, than 480p isn't in 16x9 for me, as I don't have that much space on the outside of the graphics.

Edit: after firing up the game, I do have a bit of space on the outside of the graphics. It's not as drastic as Mike says (especially since most go away when the ball is in play), but maybe its in 16x9 after all.

Oh well, the game is fun regardless.
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post #343 of 719
3/13/03 at 10:53am
Okay, I can confirm that Michael is not nuts.

World Series Baseball 2k3 (XBox) is a 4:3 game when displayed in the 480p resolution (which 95%+ of HDTV owners will be forced to play the game on).

I guess 16:9 support is exclusive to 720p on this title, which is a first for the XBox. What a shame and complete disappointment. Players are fat, the mound isn't perfectly round...it's obviously 4:3, no doubt about it. If you go into replay mode, hover the camera and zoom in so the mound is filling your screen top to bottom..then switch your HDTV's format from 4:3 mode to 16:9 mode...it goes from a perfect cirle to an oval.

I guess High Heat is the only 16:9 baseball game this year (for the masses anyway...720p HDTV's, or ones that will convert a 720p signal are not that common).
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post #344 of 719
3/13/03 at 1:36pm
well, we could hold on hope that Inside Pitch from MS on the XBOX will be 16:9/480p...and ONLINE PLAY....but with the way things are going i won't keep my hopes too high. plus, this game doesn't have the background/pedigree of some other games (although that doesn't seem to be helping the overall quality of the current titles!)
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post #345 of 719
3/14/03 at 1:12pm
There's a guy on the Sega board who SWEARS he's getting it in 16:9 on his RCA HDTV (different model) with the EXACT same dash settings as me (720P turned off). How in the world could THAT be???

I tried EVERY combo of dash and screen settings. Best I can do is shut off 480P and 720P on the dash and play in full screen mode. 480P forces a 4:3 fill (vertically compressed) no matter how I set ANYTHING else. No 16:9 on my set no matter what I do. (
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post #346 of 719
3/14/03 at 3:17pm
Michael -

That guy on the Sega board obviously doesn't understand what to look for. My HDTV doesn't lock the format in progressive mode (meaning I can change from full/narrow/zoom/fill/etc etc @ 480p).

The real test (at least on my set) is to set the dashboard to 4:3 and look at the game in a 4:3 pillarbox (narrow mode on Mits.). Then, put the dashboard back to 16:9 and use the same 4:3 pillarbox/narrow mode on the HDTV. If the game was actually outputting a 16:9 signal, it would look squished..but it doesn't. Both pictures are identical if you use the 4:3 or widescreen setting in the dashboard (which means this is a 4:3 game...at least in 480p mode).

It's been reported here, and other forums that I trust, that the game is 16:9 in 720p mode. That I can believe, but I'm 100% certain that it's 4:3 when at 480p.
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post #347 of 719
3/15/03 at 5:31am
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well, we could hold on hope that Inside Pitch from MS on the XBOX will be 16:9/480p...and ONLINE PLAY....but with the way things are going i won't keep my hopes too high. plus, this game doesn't have the background/pedigree of some other games (although that doesn't seem to be helping the overall quality of the current titles!)


Dont hope to get a better game, just go out and buy a better TV, its the way to go.
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post #348 of 719
3/15/03 at 7:20am
Buying a new HDTV to get 720p, only to play a few XBox games, would be a complete waste of money.

Nothing else uses 720p right now, other than ABC-HD and most HD receivers will convert that to 1080i for you (which looks fine).
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post #349 of 719
3/15/03 at 9:54am
Jon, is it POSSIBLE some HDTV's not supporting 720P are upconverting the signal to 1080i and that that is producing a 16:9 display, while other sets (even those that support native 1080i like mine) can't handle the upconversion?
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post #350 of 719
3/15/03 at 10:11am
Yes, some 480p/1080i HDTV's will up or downconvert the signal, while others will do nothing with it.
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post #351 of 719
3/15/03 at 10:20am
Well, then THAT explains it I'll bet. Your set must either be 720P capable - OR at least capable of upconverting to 1080i - to get 16:9 on this game. The rest of us are outa luck.
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post #352 of 719
3/15/03 at 12:14pm
the RCA F38310 will upconvert 720p to 1080i....does that mean the person saying they were seeing 16:9 with this game on their RCA wasn't crazy?
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post #353 of 719
3/15/03 at 5:32pm
The FS8310 is mine, he has another model (52 inch RCA Scenium).

He SEEMS knowledgeable, actually, not a child, so I presume he's legit. But if you're sure my RCA model upconverts, then I don't know what to say. Jon knows his stuff and he can't get 16:9 and neither can I though I've tried every possible setting between tv and dash on the XBox.
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post #354 of 719
3/16/03 at 11:47am
but what i'm wondering is, since the F38310 (which i also have) upconverts 720p (but doesn't accept it natively) to 1080i - will this game be 16:9 on my TV??

now i'm thinking that it won't....but i only have 1080i and 480p selected on my xbox...i haven't tried playing Tony Hawk 4 in 720p yet, i just always assumed 480p was as good as i was going to get with it after reading up on it online......720p OTA HD broadcasts are viewable on my tv (internal dtc100 inside the tv) though....why is that???
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post #355 of 719
3/16/03 at 12:26pm
Thread Starter 
If the 720p signal is 16:9, and you convert the signal to 1080i, it will still be 16:9. If the 480p signal is 4:3, and you are displaying the 480p signal, you will be getting a 4:3 image.

-Dave
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post #356 of 719
3/16/03 at 12:30pm
actually the F38310 locks into "fill" mode when fed a progressive signal - it stretches 4:3 to widescreen regardless of whether the game is actually 16:9 enhanced. for games this isn't a big deal since most look ok stretched.

i am pretty sure the F38310 can't handle 720p from the xbox....i know i have to play Tony Hawk in 480p....it handles Dragon's Lair 1080i beautifully though. i'm just curious as to why 720 from OTA broadcasts is converted inside the television, but 720p games can't be viewed....
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post #357 of 719
3/16/03 at 12:57pm
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The question comes down to this: Does the television accept a 720p signal from an external source and convert it to 1080i? You'd probably have better luck with this question in the hardware forums, as it it pertains to how the set handles all incoming video signals through the component connections.

-Dave
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post #358 of 719
3/16/03 at 1:02pm
i think that's the problem....any external 720p is not handled...maybe the dtc100 inside my tv converts 720p to 1080i but not anything else fed to the tv....

it's crazy that so many current HD sets do not accept native 720p.....
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post #359 of 719
3/16/03 at 3:06pm
Sean,

I have a DTC-100 external DirecTV HD receiver. It will accept the 720p signal that I get from my local ABC affliate and upconvert it to 1080i for me. My HDTV will not accept any 720p source, only 480i, 480p and 1080i (alot of HDTV's are like this). Some HDTV's that don't natively support 720p will still accept the signal and either convert it to 1080i (most common) or downconvert it to 480p (less common). People that have that feature built in to their HDTV can enable the 720p setting on their XBox since the TV will convert the signal for them.
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post #360 of 719
3/17/03 at 9:04am
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but what i'm wondering is, since the F38310 (which i also have) upconverts 720p (but doesn't accept it natively) to 1080i - will this game be 16:9 on my TV??


Nope, in a word. I've given up trying, WSB2k3 simply will NOT display 16:9 on the set you and I have under any circumstances.

VERY frustrating, by now you'd think these game developers would have it together on HDTV issues.
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