Toy Story 3 rumblings...  

This should be interesting. I'd expect Di$ney to be that greedy and say it doesn't count since Pixar is their big meal ticket anyway.

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You mean, "A Bug's Life" is part of the deal, but "Toy Story 2" isn't? It seems a bit odd to me. I would have thought it would have been part of the deal.

Disney's CG department was kinda a shot over the bow that Pixar and Disney might not be mated for life. It is still in the best interests of Disney to keep Pixar happy. While Dinosaur was technically fine, it was missing a lot of Pixar's magic.

It would be interesting to see who would distribute Pixar's films if their deal with Disney goes south. Dreamworks has a good relationship with PDI. Fox has their own internal CG department. WB maybe?

Jason


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Just because DreamWorks owns PDI and Fox has their own CG department doesn't mean they wouldn't get involved in a bidding war for Pixar's services a few years from now (along with Paramount, Warner/New Line, Universal, and maybe even MGM). Studios keep relationships with many different production companies, and a Pixar deal, what with Lasseter's contract, would be like landing Spielberg's exclusive services.

One other thing to consider, though, is that Pixar actually has no ownership stake in anything that appeared in the original Toy Story; Disney could theoretically make a movie with Buzz, Woody, Rex, and Hamm (though not Jessie or Bullseye) without Pixar's involvement.

As to the actual mechanics of the deal, the precedent seems to be in Disney's favor. But even considering the huge amount of money that stands to be made off TS3, I have to wonder whether it's worth driving Pixar and Lasseter to the competition.

My first thought, after reading the intro paragraph, was please don't let them screw up Toy Story 3! Toy Story is great. Toy Story 2 is brilliant. I can only hope they *don't* do a Toy Story 3 unless it is sublime. (And a half-baked TS3 direct-to-video would be animated blasphemy!)

I would love to see Pixar team up with Dreamworks/PDI and kick the little mou$e'$ butt. Dreamworks is already a major force for Disney to contend with.

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As much as I would like to see at Toy Story 3, I also like the idea of not doing it if not all the original cast members are in, and as you know Jim Varney past away last year from lung cancer. And I think it's really disrespectful to have an other actor taking his place as Slinky Dog. That leaves only the option of not having Slinky Dog in the movie at all which would also be a major bummer.

How about making Toy Story 2 the last one?

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yeah...that'll happen.

tell me, for a second, that you believe that either studio is willing to forego a 200 million dollar opportunity?

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Their argument that TS3 shouldn't count against the deal "because it's a sequel to a film that was being made while the second deal was being negotiated..." is simple lunacy.

C'mon guys. There will be enough money to go around. Just make sure if you're going to do a third one...

DO IT RIGHT!


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[Edited last by Scott Weinberg on September 28, 2001 at 10:40 PM]

Somehow I knew that people would defend Pixar before they defended Disney. Oh well, it doesn't matter to me. However, Pixar, as good as they are, is no Disney. Yes, Pixar is very good. But Disney was turning out classics decades before Pixar even existed. If they split, Disney, who does traditional animation better than anyone, will have no trouble competing. They also can do unbelievable CGI. The name Disney sells movies. The name Disney was more responsible for selling those Pixar movies than the Pixar name was. However, I'd like to see them stay together. They are both so good together. That magic might not be there with another company.

I hate Steven Jobs. It's seems he and his big head is butting in where he doesn't belong. This man knows nothing about making movies and the movie industry, so he should shut up and sit down. Let them work it out.

And when it comes to a bidding war, Dreamworks, another company I love, has absolutely no chance to out bid Disney if they really want Pixar. I hope they stay together. This is all my opinion, of course, and I love Disney. What can I say?

Hubert,

Don't be so quick to take sides. Times have changed from the "good ole days" of animation. Disney has changed as well. Although I still like Disney and respect and admire the talent there, keep in mind that the talent and capabilities of it's staff of artists and management are two entirely different entities.
Just recently, Disney had the forsight to lay off over 5,000 of it's employees companywide. This included every aspect of the company. Not just production, but the artists definately felt the pinch as everyone else. Meanwhile, they continue to show a viable profit. As a fellow animator with friends currently associated with Disney, I can say that, personally, I'm glad I don't work there. I've heard too many stories.
I love Pixar as well. Pixar, to me, isn't really where it is because of Jobs, but because of Lasseter. (The article misspelled his name) Lasseter has managed to, for the time being, help Pixar remain true to the process of storytelling in animation. Disney, in my opinion has really lost that ability. Before Walt died, virtually every animated movie he made faced disappointment at the boxoffice, but he kept on producing because he felt that certain stories could be told well with animation, and he took chances.
Can you really say that about the Disney of today? I think the artists have deserved more in the last 10 years or so. It's amazing how much quality work they've put out considering.
Anyway. Time to end this rant.

Tim

You know, Disney KNOWS they have no talent anymore, that's why they buy the films of Hayao Miyazaki and John Lasseter, because they know these men have more talent in their little finger than in the entire Rodent Empire

Jeff Kleist

Toy Story 3 rumblings...

Here's a piece of news I came across at www.darkhorizons.net , and I thought I'd share it with all of you. See how nice I am?



Generally whenever I hear "Part 3" I get all irritated. Oddly that's not the case here. Given the same people are on board, I'd LOVE to see a Toy Story 3!

Scott,

I agree. I enjoyed the sequal more than the original, something I can't say for most film series'.

I would love it as well. The story and the characters haven't grown tired and the creativity keeps getting better. I hope they can sort this mess out in private and not let it bleed over into the making of the film (ie, endless delays, haggling, rewrites, etc.).

Bruce

a third Toy Story would be great, but I'm more interested in new projects Pixar is working on. The Finding Nemo teaser on the Monsters, Inc. DVD looks really nice, though it doesnt really tell you much about the movie I'm really looking forward to Brad Bird's Pixar films, The Incredibles (or is it The Invincibles) and I've heard that John Lassiter is working on a project called Route 66, though I haven't really heard much more about it than that.

And while am all for Pixar making quality kids movies (which I admit, are great for adults too) I'd love to see them do a more mature feature that isnt mostly geared towards kids. As far as I know, a US studio has yet to make an animated feature film that is meant for adults that also does well. I've actually thought Blizzard should make an animated feature based on StarCraft (they have the best cinematics in the gaming business, except maybe for Squaresoft)

Brian

I'd love Toy story 3, except that I'd hope they'd put out expanded UTB packaging to fit the new 2 discs

The problem with "adult" animated movies is that none of them are really "adult". They ALWYAS compromise with the kiddee elements. The one movie, Final Fantasy was BADLY marketed. If Pixar did something, it would probably be VERY special

Count me in for a Toy Story 3. I would be really impressed if they have a coupon for a free expanded box so you could fit all 3 movies plus supplemental disk in, much like they did with Jurrassic Park 3.

I'm definitely in for a sequel too!

I'd love to see a Toy Story 3, as well. Although they're "kiddie" films, the first 2 films (especially part 2) dealt with serious topics, like mortality and dealing with loss. If part 3 can expand on these themes even more, I believe it will be something truly special.

I wonder how they'll deal with the death of Jim Varney (voice of Slinky Dog)? Will they give him a new voice, or perhaps they'll explain in 3 that Andy got rid of him?

You guys REALLY need to read the Jim Hill article on TS3 and the battle between Eisner and Jobs. It is the article that was ripped (credited but not linked?) for the Dark Horizons newsblurb.

$485 Million doesn’t count?! Jim Hill tries to make sense of the controversy surrounding “Toy Story III,” a film that Disney really wants Pixar to make … sort of.

Pixar ain't gonna make this movie, guys. But Disney probably will...

I wonder what they'll do with the slinky dog character since Jim Varney(sp?) is dead.

When you consider that Pixar has been behind most of the Mouse's recent megahits, pissing off Jobs seems especially stupid.

I would imagine that we'll see Slink but not hear him. I sure as heck hope they don't find some staff voice artist to imitate Varney!

What about South Park?


Seriously though, I'd be all for a Toy Story 3.

steve

I would love a great ender for Toy Story ...and it's waaaay early to tell but the teaser for Finding Nemo looks a little lame. But I suppose that's good as it keeps my interest in wanting more.

A Bugs Life was pretty terrific too.

Frankly, I don't trust Disney not to screw it up on their own. Lasseter is a genius.

Remember, 'Dinosaur' was the Mouse House's attempt to show us (and themselves) that they didn't need Pixar.

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