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post #91 of 101
10/20/02 at 2:45am
I actually got around to watching this disc today, and I have to say I thought it looked and sounded fantastic. I'm baffled by the suggestions this transfer is in any way sub-par.

Adam
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post #92 of 101
10/20/02 at 4:43am
I think a lot depends on whether your display device is properly color calibrated or not. I watched this movie about 3 weeks ago with an uncalibrated projector and thought it looked quite bad. Since then I've had my projector calibrated to D65 and Panic Room looks considerably better!

This is one movie that will really suffer if your colors are in the least bit off and correct brightness/contrast settings are vital in pulling out the detail thats in there at just the right levels.

Paul
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post #93 of 101
10/20/02 at 2:24pm
I respectfully disagree with Mr. Harris about this being a real Superbit. This was originally announced as a SE - and looking at the menus and disc, etc., it is very "un-Superbit-like." I saw Panic Room in the theater and I don't think this disc represents it properly. No, Panic Room DVD is not a bad transfer - it is good. But, it is not AS good as it should have been. Considering nearly ALL Superbits are reference or near reference quality - and Panic Room isn't - makes me confident that this disc was never treated like or done like a Superbit. I own several Superbits (Dracula, The Patriot, Zorro) and they are in a different class.

My TV is ISF'd, as well.
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post #94 of 101
10/20/02 at 2:45pm
I've had this for weeks now and finally got around to watching it last night.

I'd been messing with my brightness control a bit in the last few weeks so did a quick AVIA check before running it.

The vast majority of this film is so dark that correct brightness settings and an almost totally dark viewing room are extremeley important.

It's been my experience that dark movies almost always look grainier than those with lots of daylight scenes, having to do more with filmstock and lighting conditions during photography than dvd transfer quality.

It's also been my experience that some displays have a harder time with dark movies than brighter ones.
I can't think of another Superbit title as consistently dark as this one, so don't think fair comparisons to other titles in the superbit line can necessarily be made.
Percieved poorer picture quality could very easily have much more to do with the original photography or the display's ability to render shadow detail than the quality of the transfer.

The picture quality of Panic Room on my only mildly tweaked Sony KP57HW40 and Panny CP72 player was better than comparably dark scenes in most any other dvd I've watched.

I don't pretend to have the technical expertise to judge whether or not this is a "true" superbit title, and perhaps this post is misplaced because of that, but I do think the dvd looks pretty darn good.
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post #95 of 101
2/12/03 at 2:54pm
Well, i have to defend Superbit. I have watched Desperado and Charlie's Angels (R2) on a 28 inch tv and did notice a difference compared to my old copies. The picture was generally sharper and the backgrounds were rock solid with great detail. I have a major problem with moving backgrounds (break-up) so i suppose i am just fussy!
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post #96 of 101
2/12/03 at 3:11pm
all of David Fincher movies are extremly dark. That is how he likes them.
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post #97 of 101
2/12/03 at 4:10pm
I own this disc to, the one thing I hate about my DVD player is no bit rate meter. At anyrate I thought it looked pretty good but it is a bit disturbing to read this thread. My thinking here though is that bit rate will be lower with darker scenes due to lack of color vs. say an outside shot of a field of tulips or something. And since most of this movie was pretty dark and not very colorful the bitrate would be lower. this is my understanding of mpeg2 encoding that I've always noticed that the more color and motion the higher the bitrate. Take mpeg4 (divx) files for example, typically a full length movie will take up 650MB's or a whole CD now when I downloaded Clerks which is an entirely black & white movie it was only 300MB's it had the same picture quality of any other DIVX file but was much smaller due to no color information, so I'd imagine this being the same for any type digital video compression.
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post #98 of 101
2/12/03 at 4:22pm
I still don't think this was a true SuperBit title. It is in name only, but it deviates completely from the stated purpose of the SuperBit catalog on all the other releases thus far (and those coming out soon).

Dan
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post #99 of 101
2/12/03 at 5:25pm
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I started noticing the same problems I notice in other Sony releases mostly the mosquito noise that pops up in darker scenes.


This is the problem that I noticed throughout the darker scenes (which is obviously the majority of the movie). I thought the detail and colors were fine, but the mosquito noise was very distracting. I am using a progressive scan DVD player with a Mitsu HDTV (ISF'ed).
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post #100 of 101
4/17/03 at 7:03am
If it is true that an 11mb limit is in place which includes all sound and video tracks, wouldn't a higher quality product be possible if the dolby digital track was not present?
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post #101 of 101
4/17/03 at 9:07am
Are columbia still working on a SE of this?
Havn't heard anything about it for a while...
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