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post #31 of 108
For those of you who are posting just to say that those of us who recall this scene are wrong, I ask you this: what's it to you? We've already established that it's not a commonly seen item. Please don't post to add to that, or to add the opinion that you think we're nuts/senile/victims of hypnosis. It's getting insulting.

Please only post if you can verify that you checked something which noone else has checked yet (like a recorded-off-network-broadcast version), and can state whether the scene is or isn't there.

Best thing to do is to leave this thread alone unless you can report that you found the scene. Everyone else forget it. Move along. Nothing to see here but us crazy hypnotized Alheimer's victims.

David,
I think it's presumptuous of you to take on the responsibility as to state who can or cannot post in this thread. As long as other members are respectful in their comments without any type of offensive or insulting commentary that pollutes this thread then I don't see a problem with others posting to this thread.




Crawdaddy
post #32 of 108
Crawdaddy, and everyone else: please don't misunderstand. Those weren't presumptuous "instructions" I was "issuing". I was making a request. I guess that's why I said "please" a lot.

Because I *do* feel insulted by some of what I've read in these responses. I know it wasn't meant personally, nor was it exactly thread-farting. Which is why I didn't report it to a mod.

So I was simply stating that I've heard the opposing viewpoint, and was requesting that we keep the thread on-track to solving the "mystery" presented here.

But I suppose I'm taking the whole thing far too seriously. It's not important, and I was prepared to disregard the whole thing until I saw Johnny's post. So why don't I go back to ignoring the memory of the picture in the museum; it's not worth me pissing all of y'all off for.

See ya' in the funny papers.
post #33 of 108
Holey Moley! I found it! The missing scene!

Sorry, couldn't resist! I do have another question about this film though. Is the DVD in Dolby Digital 5.1 or just regular Pro-Logic Surround? The case says DD but the first track is Pro-Logic, the second audio track is in French and the third is the commentary. My player wouldn't go to any further tracks even though the display seemed to indicate that there may be two more tracks...

BTW, this is one of my favorite movies of all time... The wife however, fell asleep.

Ric
post #34 of 108
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The case says DD

Actually it says "Dolby Surround Stereo", which -- at least on Warner discs -- always means DD 2.0. And indeed, that's what's on the disc.

M.
post #35 of 108
I checked my off-air VHS recording (UK broadcast from a few years back), and it had no such scene.
post #36 of 108
The ONLY disappointing factor to this thread for me is....

That you guys who claim memories of this "scene" never venture out to see this movie until it hit NETWORK tv.

TAT screams to be seen in it's "uncropped/comerical free/ un-edited for tv" form.

Chris
post #37 of 108
Gee Chris, I was only 14 when it came out, and had almost never been to the theater at that age (not much opportunity). I can count the exceptions on one hand, maybe two. I doubt seriously Time After Time played within ten miles of me anyway, and even then probably not for long. Wasn't that one of the unfortunate fates of the film? Not much box office?

Back then, if I heard about a movie that sounded interesting, I was most likely to have to read the novelization rather than get to see the movie. I'd finally get to see them when they came to broadcast TV (and I got my first VHS deck for my 18th birthday).

Time after Time sounded interesting at the time, and I bought and read the novelization. That constituted a pretty significant effort for me to "see" it back in those days.
post #38 of 108
Those who claim to remember such a scene should be very careful.

There is a possibility...slim but real...that we are all part of a government experiment in memory control that revised a part of our collective memory to remove this scene from this particular film.

By admitting that you remember the scene, you reveal to the government that you have escaped their neural net, and you may...emphasize may...be targeted for "removal."

(If any of you "remember" anything funny about the Presidential election of 2000, for God's sake don't breathe a word!)

Jan
"Just trying to keep things light."
post #39 of 108
Is there perhaps a way to contact Nicholas Meyer to ask if there ever was such a scene or if he knows if the network added it in?
post #40 of 108
Well ... I just spent about two hours going through three huge storage boxes of VHS tapes out in my basement ... and I couldn't find the darn tape!

It sounds as though if this scene was depicted anywhere, it was on the CBS broadcast of the movie, and I didn't have a tape of that anyway.

I guess we'll just need to bow to the physical evidence presented here on this one ... but it really is crazy how the mind can play tricks of this nature sometimes!
post #41 of 108
Oh man, this thread is just waaay too funny!

I bet that even if someone posted that they had a copy of TAT recorded off network(!) TV, and this "scene" wasn't there, there would still be some that swear that it exists somewhere on Earth.

Yeee...ikes!

C'mon guys, ya gotta admit that so far, the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of this scene never existing. And this is all very lighthearted so no need to take offense, right?
post #42 of 108
Thread Starter 
I'm old enough to have seen this movie in a theater. This genre has always been a favorite, so while I cannot remember the specific instance, I believe I saw it in the theaters.

I know I haven't seen in it years. Its possible I saw it on tv, but I hate watching movies on tv with the cuts and interruptions and the pan and scan.

So what does all this mean? Well if forced to testify under other oath I would say this: "To quote a famous American: 'what, me worry?'"

I really to think this scene was in the movie and am heartened to know I'm not the only one.

The suggestion of contacting the director was a good one. How would I go about doing that?
post #43 of 108
You know, it's funny, my Dad's birthday was last night and at the party I asked my brother if he remembers a picture in the end of Time after Time and he said "Yeah, after Jack buys it and they leave they show a picture on the wall of them two together". He also said that when he & his kids watched it on cable a few years ago the picture wasn't there.
Now I didn't describe the scene to him in any detail except to say "Do you remember a picture" and he doesn't have a computer in order to see this discussion, so why are so many people having the same memory of something that "clearly doesn't exist"? Memory can certainly play tricks on you but IMO there is more to this then you guys think.

I could be wrong though, at least I can admit that.
post #44 of 108
Dave:

I don't think anyone is trying to insult anyone else, or say that there is something "wrong" with those who (mis)remember seeing the item in question. I've seen the film numerous times on cable, VHS and broadcast and have never seen this item. I have seen the text coda every single time. I suspect that said coda calls up a mental image, and that is what everyone "recalls". That more than one person has this recollection is not evidence that it is true. I can think of two examples right off the top of my head in which numerous people recalled something that was simply, factually, incorrect, and all remembered it the same way.

Famous example first: nearly half the survivors of the Titanic sinking gave sworn testimony that the ship sank in one piece. The others all swore that it broke in two, with the stern sinking after the rest of the ship. Which group was right couldn't be determined until Ballard's expedition finally found the shipwreck. Nearly all of the contemporary "artist's conceptions" of the disaster showed the ship going down intact - which is why all films prior to Cameron's showed the ship sinking in one piece.

Silly example, but closer to the present case: TNT picked up the reruns of Babylon 5 in 1998. When they reached a particular episode in the fourth season, which had only run once in first-run syndication, dozens of messages appeared on the TNT B5 Forum protesting cuts the network had made. Everyone was very upset that they had excised a scene depicting the wedding of two of the characters. That scene never existed. It was never shot, it was never even written. The executive producer deliberately had it take place off-screen rather than devote an entire episode to it (as he inevitably would have had to.) He discussed this decision in a moderated usenet group devoted to the show at the time the episode originally aired.

And yet there were arguments for days, with people swearing left, right and center that they had seen this wedding, many of them even describing the scene in detail. (The fact that no two of the descriptions matched up was further evidence that it was a false memory.) In the present case we're dealing with a single image, and no one has attempted to describe anything (clothing, for instance) in any detail, so I wouldn't expect similar evidence to emerge from this thread.

But this business of our minds "filling in the blanks" is a well-known and well-documented phenomenon. It is one of the reasons that eye-witness testimony in court is often unreliable. I would not be at all surprised to learn that many people had constructed the same false memory based on the content of the film and that last title card. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
(Our minds could easily reconstruct a believable "image" just from our knowledge of what old photographs look like, and how the characters involved appeared in the movie. If I had to guess the "template" most people unconciously used for this, I'd suggest Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid rather than anything from TAT or other films involving McDowell and Steenburgen.)


Given that as many people seem never to have seen the item in question as did in this thread, and that it does not exist on the DVD or VHS versions, I'd say the "burden of proof" is on those who saw it (or think they did), and that evidence of its existance needs to be produced to settle the argument in favor of "it was there." Absent that the default position should be "it wasn't". Because it is often impossible to prove a negative (can you prove that Mars isn't inhabited by intelligent, cave-dwelling psychic frogs who breath carbon dioxide?) those who are making the positive assertion need to provide the proof. Those taking the other side can't, because their position is based on the lack of evidence.

Regards,

Joe
post #45 of 108
Oh no, I am falling into a 'video legend'!
I also 'remember' this picture in the movie.
But it's worse!
I remember enjoying the fact that the picture of the two of them 'proved' the story was true.
Yikes!
post #46 of 108
Thread Starter 
those who are making the positive assertion need to provide the proof. Those taking the other side can't, because their position is based on the lack of evidence.


I disagree. This is not a court of law, we can all express opinions or beliefs without having to provide proof. BTW, the negative assertion could be proved by finding an authoratative resource, such as the director. The director might go either way, but he could prove the negative.

I just want to have fun discussing the movie. Here is one thing I can say with conviction: I don't know for sure that the photo was there.
post #47 of 108
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I'm old enough to have seen this movie in a theater. This genre has always been a favorite, so while I cannot remember the specific instance, I believe I saw it in the theaters.


I saw the film several times in theaters and the scene was not there. This thread is similar to the recent one where swarms of people swore that they saw a "To be continued" title card at the end of theatrical showings of BACK TO THE FUTURE until the filmakers themselves said there was no such end title on theatrical screenings.
post #48 of 108
Thread Starter 
I went to the WB web site and found a link to send email to your favorite star. The text box for the star's name is just that, a free-form text box. No pull down list of stars.

So I entered Nicholas Meyer and asked the question we are wanting answered. Maybe in a couple of years I'll get a reply. If I do, I will post it here.
post #49 of 108
Okay, I'll participate in this debacle. Now I can't say I’m 100% certain, but I’m pretty sure I remember the picture that people are talking about being in Time After Time. Call me crazy, but I do recall this moment in the film. That said, it doesn’t make or break the film.

Even doubters must find it curious that there are a few people who remember the same “phantom picture.”

For the record, the new DVD excepted, I've only seen Time After Time once, and that was years ago on a P&S VHS.
post #50 of 108
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Even doubters must find it curious that there are a few people who remember the same “phantom picture.”


Not at all. See my post above. For one thing, we don't know that a few people saw "the same" anything.

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
As noted, nobody has given an exact description of the photo. Who was on which side? Were both sitting, both standing, one of each? Which one? How were they dressed? Was the picture outdoors in indoors? Furniture visible? Did Herbert wear a hat? Amy? I'm willing to bet that if ten people e-mailed me their best recollection of the photo, no two of the descriptions would agree. Which would not, in itself, prove anything, given that we're dealing with a single image. People could be misremembering something they really saw, or their minds could be creating something they never saw. OTOH, if everybody remembered all the details the same way, that would be strong evidence that there really was a picture that everyone saw.


I vaguely remember a couple of things I read (speaking of faulty memory) in a book about how the mind process data.

One dealt with facial recognition. It turns out we don't recognize faces based on our perfect recollection of them. If we perfectly remembered faces, we wouldn't be able to recognize them - because nobody's face ever looks exactly the same way from day to day, much less from year to year. People with certain kinds of brain injuries can't visually recognize people they know because they lack the ability to "reconstruct" a face from a stored outline that the rest of us depend on. (But they often can recognize people by their voices, since that uses a different memory subsystem, located in a different part of the brain.)

The other was, I believe, a description of an experiment. Subjects drove down a country road. Among the things they passed was a family picnicking in a field just off the road. After a couple of miles they stopped and were asked a series of questions about what they had just seen. The picnicking family was part of the experiment. The folks asking the questions knew exactly what they were wearing and what items they had. Under questioning, which was designed to press the subjects for as much detail as possible, the subjects kept coming up with exact descriptions of items that you'd typically take on a picnic, but which this family didn't have.

The subjects, travelling in a car moving at around the speed limit, had glimpsed enough detail to recognize that it was a picnic, but not enough to recognize individual items on the blanket or in the basket, or even to accurately describe them. Yet when questioned they provide abundant (incorrect) details. False memories. Their minds were providing details based on their own previous experience of picnics, not on what they had actually seen. But every one of them could have passed a polygraph examination about what they "saw". The mind is a funny thing.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily what happened with regard to the subject of this thread. But I am saying that it is a distinct possibility, and similar things are neither rare nor improbable. It is at least as good an explanation for what everyone is recalling as there actually having been something in the film that so many others never saw, and that no copies of the film that anyone can lay their hands on include.

Regards,

Joe
post #51 of 108
Please, let's get back on topic and save the psycho-analysis discussion for another thread in a more appropriate forum.



Crawdaddy
post #52 of 108
Hmmm...

No offense, but I don't see anything wrong with the way the discussion is going. As a matter of fact I'm finding it very entertaining.

And I don't remember any such photo, but if I did.. He was standing she was sitting, dunno about hats!

I guess what I'm saying is, even thogh I'm sure I never saw it... I can still almost picture it. Weird, huh?

Ric
post #53 of 108
I hope this question is on-topic.

For those of you who remember this photo (I do not), who was on the right and who was on the left?
post #54 of 108
Can someone please post the picture of Mary Steenburgen and Christopher Lloyd
from the end of Back To The Future III?

I think perhaps that may help clear up a few memories.
post #55 of 108
Yes, Tino, my thoughts exactly. But, if they do, they should use Photoshop to put in McDowell in place of Lloyd. Wanna bet how many people say "That's it!"!
post #56 of 108
Thread Starter 
I've only seen the first of the Back to the Future Movies so this recollection is not from that. I think Amy was standing to the left, perhaps behind Herbert who was sitting a bit to the right (directions as seen by the viewer).

To paraphase Dennis Miller, thats just my opinion, I could be wrong.
post #57 of 108
You know, the funny thing is, while watching this movie again recently, i was struck at how similar the ending reminded me of Kate and Leopold, however TAT succeeds where that movie failed.

Didn't Kate & Leopold show a picture at the end? Not sure if that could be part of it.

I don't remember a picture at the end of Time After Time(only the text coda) and I first discovered this film on TV. However, when I close my eyes, I can imagine a picture of them, so I guess I agree it could it have been a nice touch. Maybe it's wishful thining?
post #58 of 108
Just my 2 cents... I saw this a few times on HBO back in the 80's and I do not recall the photograph. It DOES sound an awful lot like a BTTF 3 mixup since Steenburgen was in both films.

D

Good Luck hunting!!!
post #59 of 108
I can say this much: when the museum's old-time photos were briefly shown mid-movie, I fully expected one would be shown again at the end, as a romantic "button," just as people above have described.

Was this based on my childhood memory of the film? Or rather, my knowledge of typical movie conventions? I suspect, in my case, the latter.
post #60 of 108
Well? After all this "Time"... does anyone have an answer?

Dugger
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