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I don't see a problem with people who do, you know what people do in the privacy of their own home is their own business and all that.
This is often the defense used, and yet there are countless things we can do in the privacy of our own homes that will put us in prison for a very long time, so no, laws still exist even in the privacy of our own homes.

As for "copies", as you point out, and as has been pointed out in several threads over the years, what good is a "copy" when the original is so robust. More to the point of law, even if it was not, then like any other product, you must buy another to replace it as long as it is not covered by a warranty.

Think about the logic here for a sec. If you could make perfect copies of any product you want for less than a dollar, are you suggesting that in your opinion it should be perfectly legal to make "back-up" copies, so that you would never have to buy that product ever again should it wear out? Just because it is easy to copy does not make it right.

The only reason this is a problem with DVDs is that not only was the copy protection broken, but it is now extraordinarily easy and cheap to make PERFECT copies. Perhaps it is because it is so cheap and easy, and people are making copies left and right that because of this it must not be illegal.

Worst of all, they wont admit to the impact it has on everyone else. Have you tried selling a used DVD on eBay lately? It's a joke. There are so many copied DVDs that it has driven down the price of legitimate copies so that it isn't even worth selling them any more.

Then there is the problem of the studios who are being forced to lower their prices just to compete with pirates who's only cost is duplication, while studios are paying billions of dollars each year on film and DVD production costs. This will surely prevent many lesser-known films from ever being put on DVD as the studios most likely would lose money on them due to the costs, and then having to compete with illegal "copies".

It is a very ugly situation, and it appears as if it is only getting worse.

Now I will say this, as someone who would very much like to do away with having all these discs and cases, and would love to have a well designed media center PC with +30 Terabytes of disc space to hold all my DVDs (waiting for my fisrt hollographic PC drive) , I do support the need for managed copy so that for those like me that would just as well not have to screw around with those discs, can make copies to our PCs for playback. This will become even more important as hard drive technology surpasses optical disc technology in playback performance.


I can definitely see a time, many years from now, where the days of large physical collections will give way to massive shared online libraries. Think NetFlix, but instead of discs, you just instantly download the film you want to watch and in the exact resolution of the display you are using.

Just look at the music industry and the vast popularity of satellite and cable music subscriptions, file sharing, downloading, and iTunes. Consumers are already saying they don’t like “discs”.

As a collector, it will take some getting used to, as in not having the plastic cases and shiny discs to fondle (heck, I still have about 1,000 vinyl records and more than 1,000 CDs), but this is also what people said when email first came about. The advantages may very well far out weigh the nostalgia once it becomes commonplace. Of course this is a model that wont likely happen for another ten or twenty years, but we are definitely moving in that direction.

What remains to be seen is how the studios will be able to A) protect their copy rights and B) establish a reasonable system of equity for a business model where members have access to tens of thousands of titles online.
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On a more humorous note... seeing as this is Testy Land, did anyone catch last night's episode of Dancing with the Stars? (guilty pleasure of mine as my wife and I used to love ballroom dancing back in the BC days... "Before Children")

When the judges were sharing their thoughts on George "Perpetually Tanned" Hamilton's performance, the female judge told George "I would really like to see when you are in the hole for you to remain stiff..."

You should have seen the expression on George's face... priceless! Come on judge, the man is in his seventies, it can't be easy to stay "stiff" at his age without a lil help.

BTW: She meant to say "Hold", as that is the correct dancing term, and yes, a good male dancer will be very "stiff" in the hold.
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HD? Meh

Format Wars? no thanks.

Sitting out just means I'll miss the INSET TITLE first generation HD bare-bones release.

Then I'll pass on the INSERT TITLE remastered HD edition with a few extra's i.e. commentary, trailers, etc.

Might jump in by the time the full blown INSERT TITLE HD Special Edition with uber extras, deleted scenes, documentaries, etc comes out.

By that time a new technology (Super-HD perhaps?) will be developed for home displays that equals the image quality of 35mm film. 5300 x 4000 resolution displays?

then I'll probably have to double-dip just once for the INSERT TITLE HD Ultimate Edition, with all the extra's and 4 different cuts of the film.

Then the cycle starts all over again with the new SUPER-HD format. Until they discover a way to reproduce the image of 70mm film that is.
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Have you tried selling a used DVD on eBay lately? It's a joke. There are so many copied DVDs that it has driven down the price of legitimate copies so that it isn't even worth selling them any more.


I agree, though a saturated marketplace factors into it also. DVD's just aren't the rage they once were. There was a time when I'd blind-buy titles left and right and if I didn't care much for it throw it up on ebay and pretty much break even or with not much of a loss.

Now I carefully select titles I purchase because quite frankly it isn't worth the bother to get an average of $5 back if I'm lucky and it ends up selling. I'm better off giving 'em away.
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Sitting out just means I'll miss the INSET TITLE first generation HD bare-bones release.

I hope the HD disks are bare bones. Extras and such are such a waste of space that could be used for the films SQ and PQ. If people need extras put them on a second disk and charge more for it so people like myself that don't watch'em don't have to pay from'em.
post #13356 of 28163
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I hope the HD disks are bare bones. Extras and such are such a waste of space that could be used for the films SQ and PQ. If people need extras put them on a second disk and charge more for it so people like myself that don't watch'em don't have to pay from'em.

That means bad news for me which I'm on a tight budget and actually enjoy the damn extras you so dismiss as being shit. Although I do agree that all extras should have a disc of their own but charging extra merely because you don't like extras is sheer stupidity. Guess that means I'm more interested in the process of which a film is being made and all that other tripe. Good day.

Go ahead and click on my signature link. You'll see I like heaps of extras. All the which is inspiring me to become a film director.
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I hope the HD disks are bare bones. Extras and such are such a waste of space that could be used for the films SQ and PQ. If people need extras put them on a second disk and charge more for it so people like myself that don't watch'em don't have to pay from'em.



Then again, the studio's could try the Sony Superbit approach and charge more for the bare-bones HD edition.

Just a thought.

What will the HD future hold? [YAWNS] Wake me up when the format war is over.

Anyhoo, was thinking of picking up the new R1 releases of two more Japanese rubber monster classics Atragon the flying sub with a huge drill bit and The Space Amoeba. Anyone here seen 'em? [CRICKETS CHIRPING]
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All the which is inspiring me to become a film director.
Oh boy, did you ever pick a bad time to get bit by the movie bug! After a few years of "anybody can make a feature", dominated by people going around with DV camcorders [and you might be amazed as to how many items, just as good as those which got picked up by distributors, are still sitting in a can somewhere], my crystal ball is predicting a serious Hollywood retrenchment. I think they're going to try to take advantage of the "video piracy" hysteria they've created, and the industry's switchover to High Definition, to make a stab at eliminating the "prosumer" category altogether.
It's a lucrative market for the electronics companies, but they don't seem to be able to muster their power in the way the movie studios do -- Hollywood can get any stupid law it wants passed through Congress, no matter how much it hurts the Nation at large.

Incidentally, you're going to give yourself an ulcer, reacting like that to everything people say. It seems like every one of your replies comes out to "What did you say about my mother you bastard!!?! ", and that can't be pleasant.
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Holy shit!

For a moment I thought I got in one of those HD area threads again. Please don't repeat serious discussions that are going on outside, on the ahem, real forum here too! Please stop.

I'd hate to have to ask Parker to re-baptize this 'Test HD Area 51'.


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Cees you has PM.
How would you know that?
OK, I'll give it a look.


Cees
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I'd hate to have to ask Parker to re-baptize this 'Test HD Area 51'.


Or Parker could move this thread to the new HD area.

[SCREAMING FROM LONDON]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Just kidding.

[SLINKS AWAY]
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No Cees I don't want testy renamed Testy HD Area 51, I think we all know roughly where most of us droogs stand on this subject we should carry on the debate in the HD area. One last word, I'm glad some of you guys can't wait to get into blu-ray, testing the waters for the rest of us, nice of you indeed, we look forward to reading your reports.

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Anyhoo, was thinking of picking up the new R1 releases of two more Japanese rubber monster classics Atragon the flying sub with a huge drill bit and The Space Amoeba. Anyone here seen 'em?


I haven't seen them Jim and I have quite a few of these rubber monster-suit epics as you know. I do have an anime titled Super Atragon though, any relation? Maybe Chris knows.

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Extras and such are such a waste of space


I'm an extras junkie Ron, it's one of the formats biggest attractions for me, I've bought films I wouldn't have otherwise because they contained fascinating extras, I love 'em. One aspect of HD that might have me leaping in sooner than I've planned is if certain movie favorites were packed to the gills with special extra content not available on SD-DVD. So odd as it may seem 'waste of space' extras hold more interest for me than a higher bit rate, which would be barely perceptible on my 32inch telly.
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Atragon aka "Atoragon" I think I saw once, on TV years ago. Kind of a Japanese Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, it's supposed to be something of a classic of its kind, I guess. How can you go wrong with a Tohoscope special-effects film featuring the Lost Civilisation of Mu?

The anime Super Atragon isn't a straight remake, from what I know of it, but the themes of the secret military sub being the only thing capable of saving the Earth from mysterious enemies is a pretty convenient one.
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I'm an extras junkie Ron, it's one of the formats biggest attractions for me, I've bought films I wouldn't have otherwise because they contained fascinating extras, I love 'em.
For me, they completely ruin the "movie magic" and that is why I avoid them. I once watched a "making of" on Gladiator and will never view that certain scene in the same way. When I watch the film I remember back to that "making of" and it ruins that moment in film and takes me out of the movie.

Movies are a pure escape for me, that is why I avoid extras and avoid reality type films.
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ookay, fair enough, I on the other hand am fascinated by how they make those wonderful films we see on the screen, and watching behind the scenes footage, whether it be the making of a scene, a complex visual effects sequence or just the actors larking around on the set only enriches the film for me and I look forward even more to seeing the film again. But even knowing how they did it all I can still switch off and immerse myself in the film.

Talking of extras, I've finished watching the King Kong Production Diaries and as Spock would say - fascinating, since each segment only lasts about 5 mins, the whole thing moves pretty quickly. There are some gimmicky bits like when directors Bryan Singer and Frank Darabont arrive in New Zealand to help an exhausted Peter Jackson direct some scenes, one bit shows Singer directing a confused Naomi Watts while Jackson is dozing off in his chair.

Another bit which I can't take seriously at all has Jackson and cast talking about a proposed sequel to King Kong, titled... Son of Kong. Apparently Kong has a son somewhere on Skull Island, a huge white ape which befriends Naomi and the others, they take him to Germany where he battles Nazi's and some assorted mutated creatures... um yeah all right, pull the other one.

One great bonus is the creation of the Kong vs tyrannosaurus battle, running 16mins and ending with a generous amount of finished footage from that sequence, I grabbed a few shots, here's a sample.





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Hnnn -- as an animated-film buff, I don't have much to fear from "making-of" features. I already know how they did it: with paint! On the other hand, they're not very interesting, either. Once you've seen one animation studio, you've seen 'em all.
The one extra I have which is really worthwhile is in the WINGS OF HONNEAMISE Memorial Box: basically the whole soundtrack album is presented, and each piece is accompanied by production art for that scene. There are sketches, watercolours, even models of things in the film. You really get a sense of why it was said to be the most expensive animated film ever made in Japan.
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Whoa I'd love to have had that included on the Wings of Honneamise dvd Chris, it's one of my top 10 favorite anime movies, sounds fantastic. Wings could do with some remastering on dvd and a special edition status befitting it's position in this genre, hopefully one day.
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Yah, what I have is the rerelease boxset from 1998, but the same thing was included in the original box. You know, it took all of ten years to make its money back, and as soon as ever it did Bandai paid to have a new 5.1 soundtrack made. There were two LaserDisc editions released at that time, a barebones movie edition, and the box I have, both with the original stereo and the new 5.1 soundtracks [although the spare mono channel was not used for the English dub, which they could have easily done]; Bandai also released an anamorphic DVD at the same time, with the 5.1 soundtrack only, and no extras. It must have been one of the first anamorphic DVDs.
"Honneamise" is the name of the new label Bandai USA is starting in partnership with Image Entertainment; their first couple of releases are going to be the PATLABOR movies, but hopefully we'll see a decent special edition of WINGS itself, now that Manga Video have lost the license. It's not as if the materials don't exist! [They could even save money by not having separate R1 and R2 releases.]
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it's one of my top 10 favorite anime movies


What's your Top 10 Steve? I've seen a respectable amount of Anime over the years but definitely not as much as some of the true hard-core Anime fans out there. I'm always looking for new things to see.

Howl's Moving Castle is the only one that's on my must-see radar right now.
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A bit more than a top 10 Jim but my current favorites include, in alphabetical order:

Akira (1988)
Appleseed (2004)
Castle of Cagliostro (1980)
Ghost in the Shell (1995)
Howls Moving Castle (2005)
Macross Plus (1996)
Metropolis (2001)
Ninja Scroll (1993)
Princess Mononoke (1997)
Spirited Away (2001)
Steamboy (2004)
Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust (2000)
Venus Wars (1989)
Wings of Honneamise (1987)
Wonderful Days (2003)


Akira was the first anime I saw and still my top favorite. Wonderful Days is the odd one out there not being Japanese. Grave of the Fireflies is excellent, well respected and downright depressing, not a favorite but deserves a place in any serious anime collection. Other greats include a whole slew of Miyazaki classics like Nausicaa, Castle in the Sky and Porco Rosso.

I own 52 anime movies but I don't know if I can call myself a hardcore fan, from what I've noticed the true anime geek seems to prefer made for tv/video anime series rather than the more richly animated feature length movies.
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Nice picks, a lot of my favorites are on your list. The only flicks from your list that I haven't seen are the already mentioned Howls Moving Castle & Wonderful Days which I'll make a point to check out.

I pretty much stick with Anime movies now as I just can't get into Anime series anymore. There are a few that I own and love like Cowboy Bebop, Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc. but for the most part the others I've seen were okay but the payoff wasn't worth the time involved. Plus my attention span seems to be getting shorter the more I age.
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From the mid-80s to the mid-90s, a lot of the best anime was being done as Original Video Animation, producing one-off subjects or short series (2-6, with some going as far as 13 but mostly by way of a second series) of 30-90 minute episodes. These often had cinema-quality animation -- Macross Plus was one, and was afterward cut down into a feature film -- and a little longer time to play with; also, being a sell-through product for a specific audience, the OVA can give the creators a little more freedom than something that's going into wide release.
After Evangelion everybody seems to have become convinced that the money was in TV work, and I personally think the medium suffered by it -- stories stretched out to fill a longer run time, lower quality animation, &c. The OVA seems to be coming back now, to some extent,but I can't say I've liked what I've seen of the new stuff. Not to say I've necessarily disliked it, either, but there's a great deal of undifferentiated matter out there.
To make matters worse, of course, the selection ordinarily available in the West is quite skewed; I have at least one thing [The Ultimate Teacher] which was picked up by a US company and then allowed to lapse, so that as far as the R1-DVD-anime crowd is concerned it doesn't exist -- even though it has had an American release. It's all about the latest new thing, even if nobody's going to want it in three months -- just so long as they buy the DVDs now.
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You're our anime droog Chris, what are your favorites? Movies and series?


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There are a few that I own and love like Cowboy Bebop, Neon Genesis Evangelion, etc.


Never really got into Evangelion Jim, but I enjoyed Cowboy Bebop, series and movie.

Macross Plus was a great mini-series, excellent animation and music, I have the soundtrack to that, I prefer the series to the edited movie version. Recently watched the more chatty Macross Zero, not as good as Plus but worth watching IMO.

Not sure, is Final Fantasy - Spirits Within anime? If it is add it to my top 5.
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Wasn't Final Fantasy all CGI Steve? I don't know if it counts as Anime or not. I suppose it doesn't matter either way.

Chris I'm aware of the OVA's & seen quite a few, though not much that was released over the last few years. Some of my favorites that I own being Macross Plus (Like Steve, I prefer this version over the re-edited movie), the first Tenchi Muyo & El Hazard OVA series, Rurouni Kenshin: Trust/Betrayal & the original Bubblegum Crisis, which along with Akira is one of the first Anime's I remember seeing.


After Evangelion everybody seems to have become convinced that the money was in TV work, and I personally think the medium suffered by it -- stories stretched out to fill a longer run time, lower quality animation, &c.


I agree. The padded out stories/filler episodes is what turned off my interest in Anime TV series in general.

But enough Anime talk. Cees might want to re-name this Testy Anime 51 after a few more posts on the subject.
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Its!

Immanuel Kant was a real piss-ant who was very rarely stable.
Heideggar, Heideggar was a boozy beggar who could
think you under the table.

David Hume could out-consume Schoppenhauer and Hegel.
And Whittgenstein was a beery swine who was just as sloshed as Schlegel.

There's nothing Nieizsche couldn't teach 'ya
'bout the raising of the wrist.
Socrates, himself, was permanently pissed.

John Stewart Mill, of his own free will
On half a pint of shanty was particularly ill.
Plato they say could stick it away,
Half a crate of whiskey every day.

Aristotle, Aristotle was a bugger for the bottle,
And Hoppes was fond of his dram.
And Rene Descartes was a drunken fart.
"I drink, therefore I am."

Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed;
A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's pissed.
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It's kind of hard to pick favourites. Most of my collection consists of things I like pretty well [the exceptions being mostly "blind buys" off the shelves at local stores, which are a vice of mine -- anime LDs don't show up very often, and when they do I grab them unless I'm sure I don't want them]. On the other hand, I don't have everything on my shelf that I wish I did.

That being understood, a few choice selections:

Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OVA
El-Hazard: The Magnificent World OVA
Armitage III OVA
Bubblegum Crisis

Kimagure Orange Road
Here is Greenwood

Top wo Nerae! GunBuster
Wings of Honneamise

Gun Smith Cats
Plastic Little
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...and now for something completely different.

James Bond car sells for $1.9 million

A Swiss businessman won the keys to James Bond's silver 1965 Aston Martin DB5 coupe on Friday with a $1.9 million bid at an annual classic car auction in Arizona. The 45-year-old man, who did not want to be identified, placed his bids over the telephone through friend and car dealer Beat Roos to win the gadget-packed 007 car used in such classics as "Goldfinger" and "Thunderball."

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1. Perfect Blue
2. Princess Mononoke
3. Spirited Away
4. Lain: Serial Experiments
5. Someday's Dreamers
6. Ghost in the Shell
7. Final Fantasy (I don't think that counts)
8. Neon Genesis Evangelion
9. Haibane Renmei
10. Ninja Scroll

I too, would consider myself a novice anime watcher. I do know what I like though. I included several OVA's I know.

BTW Dac, I forgot to tell you that I gave Armitage III a second chance and loved it. Hmm, I mus have been in a bad mood first time 'round.
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Of course, a brand new Aston Martin will set you back a pretty chunk of change -- a couple hundred thou at least. Do you know, they're made exclusively on a to-order basis these days? I wonder if I could order one with a steam power plant... I've often considered how a Wankel would perform, hitched to one of those instant boilers the Doble cars [and plane] used.

Zen: I think Armitage is one of those things which require, for want of a better word, concentration to enjoy. I don't know if I'd call it "cereberal", but maybe it requires being met on its own terms more than a lot of things.

As always, the door of the Anime Discussion thread is open -- it does get tiring, having only the same six or so people posting there, and what's more to the point the discussion often seems to devolve into lists of "what's new this week". I mean, do I even care what volume of Tiny Snow Fairy Sugar is being released Tuesday? Strange to say, I do not.

I don't know if Nils is going to blame me for the collapse of the music industry but I've been doing some recording of audio from my LaserDiscs -- particularly theme songs. It's easy when it's the digital track I'm capturing, because I can just set up the TosLink input and go, but I'm trying to find a way of calibrating the levels for analog recordings so I don't have to set them up anew every time.
In any case, the "Normalise" function is a wonderful thing. Sure, I lose a certain amount of Signal/Noise Ratio, but it eliminates a great deal of mucking about.
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Finally changed the sig shot after several months worth of Major Dundee...like the new one, droogs?
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Very nice Haggai, which film?

Perfect Blue your favorite anime Zen? An odd choice, better than Mononoke and Spirited Away? I always thought it was overrated and championed by critics who have no affinity for anime. Armitage III, now there's anime for you, nice Blade Runner feel to it, they should remake it into a live-action feature film, get Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johannsen to star, Michael Bay to direct.

James Cameron is doing Battle Angel Alita! woohoo...[cue tumbleweed tumbling majestically across frame] remember James Cameron? Jim Cameron? director of Terminator? No? Titanic? Piranha 2? Nein?
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