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Nitty Gritty Surround
DVD Audio
AIX Records

by David Tolsky



“AIX Records believes that in order to hear the
improvements offered by increasing the sample rate
and word size, you have to start by making NEW
recordings!”(Taken from sub-menu, “The Disc,”
on Nitty Gritty Surround)


New recording sessions are at the heart of what
makes AIX DVD-Audio discs so special. Think about it:
what could be better to a music lover and audiophile
than a brand new recording session using the best
digital equipment and special miking techniques?
It would be a no-frills session with no flashy
stage show. There is no equalization going on, just
music in the raw. The recording, mixing and mastering
are all executed with a 96khz sample rate and 24 bit
word length, created digitally from the ground up.

Nitty Gritty Surround is an album that has
its roots established way back in the 60’s with the
Nitty Gritty Dirt Band. It’s bluegrass at its
finest, with some traditional folk and swing thrown
in for good measure. When these guys and gals get
together, they can jam with the best of them.



AIX cleverly uses both sides of the disc to divide
DVD-A material (high-rez MLP tracks and 2-channel
tracks -- both in 96/24), from the DVD-Video features.
Let’s start with the video.

The inside blue ring on the disc indicates the
DVD-Video features, playable on any DVD video player.
Here we actually get to sit in on the live session
as it was being recorded, thanks to some skillful video work.



Imagine yourself sitting in the middle of the stage.
John McEuen grabs his banjo and takes a seat in front
of you. Jimmy Ibbotson, folk guitar in hand, sits
behind you facing McEuen. Laurie Lewis and Tom Rozum
stand next to Ibbotson, ready to sing. Phil Salazar
(fiddle) sits opposite Randy Tico (acoustic bass).
Tom Corbett (mandolin), Rick Cunha (guitar,
ukulele, vocals) Matt Carsonas (harmony vocals, mandola,
dulcimer), Jim Christie (percussion), Jonathan
McEuen (John’s son on guitar and vocals) and special
guest, vocalist Jennifer Warnes, fill in the empty
spaces. Putting you in the middle of the music is
what AIX calls their “stage mix” and it is what
surround sound was born for. In this case, the DTS
5.1 mix is the on-stage perspective. If you are
fond of being surrounded by instruments and vocals,
this is the mix for you.

Let’s say you’re more of a purist and would prefer
to keep your distance from the band. No problem
since AIX also provides a 5.1 channel Dolby Digital
mix of the session, called the “audience” mix.
Clicking the Audio button on your remote
accesses this mix on the fly, anytime you want.
This is a great feature as you can very quickly
compare the sound quality between the two popular
encoding choices. You’ll notice that the instruments
behind you will all but disappear, leaving you in
the ambiance of the “audience”, with a much more
frontal soundstage.

Clicking the Angle button will allow an
alternate video shot, usually an isolated vocalist
or musician. These shots are nicely dissolved into
wider group shots of all performers.

What’s nice about Nitty Gritty Surround is
that it is an education in acoustic strings. Banjo,
guitar, mandolin, bass mandolin, fiddle, acoustic
bass, ukulele -- they’re all blended into the
unmistakable bluegrass sound that the Dirt Band is
famous for. The Appalachian dulcimer even makes
an appearance, and in a humorous video clip from “The
Making Of,” musician Matt Cartsonis is applying ‘peg
dope’ to the instrument’s old string pegs. “Why do
you think they call it dope?” he muses, “Because
you have to be one to play this instrument.”

Flipping the disc over to the red side, you get your
choice of 5.1 channel surround MLP and two channel
PCM, both using 96 khz/24 bit technology. Both of
these compression schemes are “lossless,” where none
of the data is left out of the transfer process. The
2-channel mix sounds every bit as clean as the multi-
channel and is a great alternative mix for the die-hard
stereo lover. Like the video side of the disc, the
MLP version becomes the stage mix, a higher resolution
version of its DTS counterpart. The 2-channel PCM is
the audience mix and stereo never sounded so good. I
much preferred the stage mix of the 2-channel PCM to
the Dolby Digital stage mix from the video side.
Voices and instruments were cleaner and more dynamic.
That’s the difference that lossless compression can make.

There is enough bonus material on this disc to rival
a collector’s edition DVD movie, making it a great
value. Included are musician bios, rehearsals,
behind-the-scenes and backstage footage and a
slide-show trip down memory lane with the Nitty Gritty
band members. You’ll even learn the history of the
venue chosen for the recording, the Fox Theater in
Hanford, California. Let’s not forget topics such as
how to use the disc, surround speaker setup, AIX’s
mission statement and philosophies and a band
photo gallery.

If you are curious about how good the DVD-A format can
be, I urge you to go out and purchase AIX’s Nitty
Gritty Surround
. Mark Waldrep, Ph.D. (AIX’s Founder
and Chief Engineer) and friends have gone all out
in providing one heck of a value-packed sight and
sound experience.

post #2 of 39
Thanks! This one looks tasty.
AIX makes the most interesting DVD-As in the business. I'm sure this one's a winner.
post #3 of 39
I just wanted to thank David and the folks at the Forum for the kind review of the Nitty Gritty Surround DVD-Audio/Video product. We have completed 8 titles so far, but this one is certainly one of my personal favorites....wonderful people making really terrific music recorded using the finest equipment available.

And Mike is right too. This title won the Discus Creative Excellence Award for "Best DVD-Audio" over Queen and Graham Nash from eMedia Magazine...a very nice honor. It was also picked by Rad Bennett in the new Sound and Vision Magazine as one of the top ten "Surround Sound Standouts". The "stage" mix in MLP is really amazing.

Just in case anyone is curious, The Latin Jazz Trio featuring Luis Conte, David Garfield and David Carpenter has just been replicated and is available through AIX Records. This disc has the most incredible sound on recorded "metal"....wind chimes, cymbals, and bells...makes you wonder how we ever put up with low resolution CDs.

Thanks again...as always, I welcome any suggestions or comments. I do this because I love music and I love using technology to bring it an ever larger audience.
post #4 of 39
Yes, but only at 45 minutes for a live concert? Seems a bit on the short end of things. Of course, I may be wrong on the timing.
post #5 of 39
While this recording was made of the musicians performing live without overdubs...it is not a "live album"...i.e. there is no audience. It contains 11 tracks recorded at 96 kHz/24 bits and mixed four different ways.
post #6 of 39
Ok. Leave out the "live concert" words and is it still 45 minutes long?
post #7 of 39
Tomoko, not sure where you're going with this. You cannot think of this as a "live show". This is like any other studio recording you have on regular CD (but of course, much better) There would be no applause after each track, and there are the same number of tracks (on average) as a single-disc studio recorded CD. I picked up a CD out of my collection and looked at the full time of the entire disc: 54 minutes. You just have to think in terms of eavesdropping on a studio session, which actually is pretty cool
post #8 of 39
Not really trying to be too critical about the overall performance, which is probably really good. Just concerned with the amount of time given to a disc. I, for one, would want more time and performances on the disc. Just my opinion.
post #9 of 39
The Beatles' Revolver & Sgt. Pepper were shorter than 45 minutes, but I think I got my money's worth on those titles.

Regards,
post #10 of 39
Yes, the total running time of the music tracks is about 45 minutes, however, please remember that those tracks are on the disc 4 times! In addition, there is another hour of bonus video, behind-the-scenes footage, interviews, rehearsals etc. I have really tried to give the purchaser a combination TRUE high-resolution recording in multiple mixes, a complete video of the session as lots of extras, hundreds of information screens and photos, and system setup information...this is the kind of product that I would like to have myself. Sort of a video, boxed set, DVD-Video, DVD-Audio and coffee-table book all rolled into one.
post #11 of 39
I own "Nitty" and I think it sounds great. Jennifer Warnes vocal tracks are simply awesome.
post #12 of 39
Yeah, that's something that I didn't get around to mentioning in the review. While listening to the MLP tracks during one of Jennifer's vocals, I walked up to the center channel speaker to "meet" Jennifer. You would swear that she was singing on the other side of the drivers!
post #13 of 39
So what tracks are on it?



This sounds like a sale to me! especially since I can enjoy the regular DVD version right now, and decide later if I want to get a DVD A player (after the dust has settled some more on the competing formats).

Adam
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Happy to oblige:

1) Miner's Night Out 3:19
2) Darcy Farrow 4:08
3) Moonlight Dancing 3:54
4) Acoustic Traveler 4:08
5) Somewhere Somebody 2:29
6) Too Late Love Comes
To Me 4:36
7) Shady Grove 3:15
8) The Oak and the
Laurel 4:59
9) Swing To Bop 5:25
10)It's Morning 3:43
11)Blue Days, Sleepless
Nights 4:03
post #15 of 39
I have seen John McEuen in concert twice. Two of the best shows I have ever attended. I will definitely track this release down (though I will be able to use the video side only)! Thanks for giving it some attention.
post #16 of 39
Congrats Mark on the EMedia Discus Award. For those that haven't heard, Dr. Waldrep and AIX records have been awarded the Discus Award in EMedia Magazine's 5th annual Discus Awards given for distinction in DVD creation. The John McEuen & Jimmy Ibbotson's "Nitty Gritty Surround" won the Discus Award for Creative Excellence in the "Best DVD-Audio" category.
post #17 of 39
Ok I love this band but I have looked for this disc and can't find it. Where can this be purchased??
post #18 of 39
All AIX Records discs can be purchased through our web site (www.aixrecords.com) or by calling our 800 number 800-668-4249. We are quite pleased that Image Entertainment has decided to distribute our complete line of titles including 10 classical titles due out in October and November. Of course, it benefits AIX a great deal if our customers purchase these titles directly from us...we get to be the retailer as well. Thanks for your interest and let me know what you think of our work.
post #19 of 39
No online ordering? Bummer, I guess snail mail will have to do. Other than that a great site!

Laters,
post #20 of 39
AIX makes the best DVD-As I've heard so far.

I plan on reviewing the Latin Jazz Trio after I get through the whole disc.


NP: Thelonious Monk w/ Sonny Rollins
post #21 of 39
Ok, I just got off the phone with AIX. Since the Analogue Production SACDs aren't available yet, AIX is getting my money.

By the way, phone is the only way to order via credit card.

I took advantage of their Buy 4, Get 1 Free dealy, even though two of my selections aren't available yet. So:

First shipment, going out now:
Nitty Gritty Sound
Zephyr (a capella singing stuff)
Peppino D'Agostino- acoustic guitar

Second shipment, going out whenever:
Chopin, Ballades
Paul Smith, jazz trio

post #22 of 39
Sorry for the three posts in a row...:b

Mark,
I just re-read the review for Nitty Gritty and noticed that you went with the stage mix for the DVD-A side. Your discs that I currently have (Patrice Rushen, Latin Jazz, Beethoven/Rephigi, Brahms) all have the audience mix for the DVD-A side, leaving the stage mix for the DTS track. Why did you go with a different direction for this release?
post #23 of 39
Mike, first let me thank you for the kinds words and support of our titles buy purchasing through us directly...it really does help.

As for you question on the "stage" versus "audience" perspective mixes on the MLP side of the disc, I can only provide the following. I personally prefer sitting close to the sound and immersed in the orchestration/instruments. But, many reviewers and consumers are not comfortable with that perspecitve and so I have opted to provide the best audio mix in a perspective that works for them. The "stage" mix will always be included as a DTS stream on the DVD-Video side of our discs.

As for Nitty Gritty and Zephyr, I decided because of the physical arrangement of the performers during the recording to put the "stage" mix within the MLP DVD-Audio tracks. At this point it's an experiment and test to see what reviewers have to say...and thankfully the response has been very positive.

October 22 will see 5 more classical titles come out...Bolero, Firebird, Jupiter, Mozart 26 and others. The other 5 come out a month later. For those dedicated AIX fans, you can contact me and purchase these titles ahead of those dates. I should have discs in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for all of the support, I really do appreciate it.

Mark
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Quote:
Firebird


AIX does Stravinsky! Oh man, can't wait to hear this one.

Mark, thanks for the reply.

I've listened to the DTS track on the Latin Jazz Trio and found it interesting, but admittedly a bit disconcerting. However, my rear speakers sorely need an upgrade, so I don't think I'm able to fully enjoy the more aggressive sound mixes. I like to think I don't have a hang-up about sound mixes as I also like Tacet's DVD-As, and they also do a "stage" type mix (in fact, it's the only one they put on the disc!). I have not yet listened to the audience mix. I'll go into more detail once I hear that in a seperate thread.

(Un)fortunately, these discs have put my acquisition of new surround speakers higher on my list of purchase priorities.

The new titles are good news.
post #25 of 39
I just ordered this. I will post when it comes in and after I have a chance to listen to it. I am really looking forward to it!

Laters,
post #26 of 39
NP: Nitty Gritty Surround
post #27 of 39
This disc just in.......Ok ok I am not a music reviewer but I play one on TV

Well my god I am impressed. I have had a hard time justifying the expense of a DVD-A player but one listen to this disc has but my mind to rest. Quite simply it is not my player's fault it is the recordings. I really don't have the word smithing skills to describe the sound. Suffice to say that it made my Klipsch Cornwalls and SVS's sing. In my book that is more than enough. If I can think up some more "WOW" words I will post them (beside I don't want to take Ron's job away from him)

Laters,
Jeff

Oh the sampler disc is rocking to. I need to get me some of dem der 'cordings. If the studios did such a good job of explaining OAR as this disc explains multi channel and high resolution sound then there would be much less demand for pan and scan titles
post #28 of 39
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Quite simply it is not my player's fault it is the recordings.


What have you been listening to? There are some great DVD-A titles out there with new music that sound very good and have interesting surround mixes.

NP: Charles Mingus, Mingus Plays Piano
post #29 of 39
Jeff,

Thanks for the generous "non-review" of the Nitty Gritty Surround project...we are very proud of it and all of the other releases that we've completed (8 in all with 10 more due in October and November).

I thought I would offer some creative/technical insight into why these tracks sound as compelling as they do...it's not simply because they are delivered on DVD-Audio discs!

I did my Ph.D. work at UCLA almost 20 years ago. One of my subject areas focused on the aspects of binaural recording and it's effects on location and depth of sound. I have refined my recording technique from those early experiments into the sound that you experience on all of my tracks. Look at the video...you will see only stereo pairs of microphones. Most commercial recordings place a single mono mic in front of an instrument and then "pan" that sound to the appropriate local in the stereo or 5.1 field. Reverb is then added to wrap the sound in ambiance. The results lack depth and realism and when combined with dynamics processing (compression and limiting) literally sucks the life out of a recording. I record with stereo pairs and maintain those pairs throughout the mixing process and I never use EQ, dynamics processors, or artificial reverberation...the sound that you hear is the sound of the musicians playing their instruments.

AIX Records is one of very few companies making true "advanced resolution" recordings...meaning tracks that were actuallly captured at 96 kHz/24 bits when the musicians were playing. Putting a 96 kHz/24 bit recorder on the output of an analog mixing desk while mixing a 30 year old analog master will produce only as much fidelity as was present 30 years ago...roughly 12 bits! Dynamic range is vastly increased in new recordings...check out the difference.

Making a recording means adopting a "philosophy" of sound and music. Some seek to recreate a live event, others produce music for radio...I like the sound of being close to the sources and I absolutely have to hear the dynamics and all of the fidelity of the musicians. That's what we're trying to do...getting two products in the top 7 "Best DVD-Audio discs so far" in Absolute Sound is good news. With our distribution going nationwide in a couple of weeks, AIX Records sees a very bright future for DVD-Audio.

Thanks again.
post #30 of 39
Quote:
AIX Records is one of very few companies making true "advanced resolution" recordings...meaning tracks that were actuallly captured at 96 kHz/24 bits when the musicians were playing. Putting a 96 kHz/24 bit recorder on the output of an analog mixing desk while mixing a 30 year old analog master will produce only as much fidelity as was present 30 years ago...roughly 12 bits! Dynamic range is vastly increased in new recordings...check out the difference.


Jeff, this is probably why you've been less than thrilled with DVD-A.

In my personal experience and opinion, SACD serves older recordings more successfully by getting more out of the master tape. However, new recordings in higher resolution on the DVD-A format are simply fantastic, as presented by AIX (as well as a couple of other companies like Tacet). They are just so full of life.

This is why I am so against the idea of a "format war." Both have so much to offer, and the failure of one will be a serious loss to the digital music world.


As for Nitty Gritty, I really can't add anymore to what's been said. I actually don't usually dig that type of music and prefer the instrumental stuff, but this was just a lot of fun. It kind of felt like when you get together with some buddies, scrounge up all the instruments you can find, and jam in the garage. Except these musicians are actually good.

Mark, you mentioned the possibility of acquiring some of the new titles early? I am interested.
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