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post #871 of 1186
7/12/08 at 6:15pm

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Originally Posted by Chris Will
I love Del Toro's imagination, Pan's is great and Hellboy 2 looks really good. I just don't like the idea of him bring his freak show characters to the LOTR universe. I really wish Jackson would have directed these, the more Del Toro talks the more it sounds like he is going to change things too much.
I agree. He needs to work within Tolkien's framework and leave all his imaginary creatures to the Hellboy franchise or his other films.
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post #872 of 1186
7/12/08 at 6:29pm

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I loved what GDT did with Hellboy II, but I'm a bit worried over how that'll translate to The Hobbit.

PJ went with a highly photorealistic look for the LOTR films. Creatures of a more human stature were treated with very good makeup work. And creatures of a more fantastical nature were handled with very realistic CGI.

GDT seems to favor actual actors in makeup/prosthetics regardless of size. With bigger creatures, he uses actors with big, animatronic masks & limbs, etc. While these look great, they also look like what they are - guys in mechanical creature costumes. This gives them a more fantastical, but not necessarily realistic look that PJ tried to create with his LOTR movies.
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post #873 of 1186
7/12/08 at 6:44pm

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After watching HELLBOY 2, I am not confident that they have picked the right guy to direct this movie. It is a given that he is very imaginative in creating a fantasy world, but his style and creations tell me that he is the wrong man for a Tolkien movie.

So far, all of the creations in his fantasy films look like something out of a person's worst, fevered, nightmare. I haven't seen one character he has created that wouldn't leave you in a cold sweat if you ever met it for real.

I think Del Toro is talented at creating "dark fantasy" but his style just seems all wrong for Tolkien.
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post #874 of 1186
7/12/08 at 7:32pm

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
I think Del Toro is talented at creating "dark fantasy" but his style just seems all wrong for Tolkien.

I'm trying to hold on to the fact that I once thought PJ wasn't the right guy based on his earlier films alone; I'm trying not to think that del Toro won't work based on his "fantastical creatures." But I knew PJ would be the right director after I saw Heavenly Creatures. I haven't seen any similar "exception indicator" for del Toro yet.

I'm not as wedded to The Hobbit as I was to LotR--if it feels as if it belongs in the world of Middle-earth and follow's Tolkien's basic storyline I'll probably be okay with it. It's the bridge movie that MUST be right for me. This will be our last ME movie (unless something changes in the attitude the Tolkien Estate has) and there is plenty in the LotR appendices to join The Hobbit to LotR in a cannon- inspired way. But it must be done right. I tend to hope that rumor I read about GdT adapting The Hobbit and PJ et al adapting the bridge movie is true. They supposedly are then going to reverse and each write the other one, but I'm hoping PJ, Fran and Phillipa do the bridge.
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post #875 of 1186
7/13/08 at 8:07pm

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Apparently none of you hangs out at TORN, where GDT himself posted some weeks ago that fans shouldn't take HB2 as any kind of template for the look, style or tone of the upcoming Hobbit projects. PL had photo realism. TH will too. Remember also that he's created all these movies with rather modest budgets.

GDT is more than a one trick pony. He's talked a bit about how a director should make a film his own - not by imposing his own stamp on a movie - but by being faithful to the original material. I certainly think GDT will make the films his own, but I don't thinkg he's lying when he says he greatly respects the ME PJ created.

Yeah, he'll go to town on the Mirkwood spiders and Smaug, but that iosn't necessarily a bad thing. We don't need Shelob II.

I think GDT IS the right guy, and that he's an intelligent filmmaker...he has tremendous respect for the source material...and he's collaborating with the original team. PJ is not directing TH, ain't never gonna happen. GDT at the helm is just fine with me.

BTW, Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth are the clinchers for me. I've been a fan of GDT's since Cronos, and I feel he's only grown as a creative artist over the years.
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post #876 of 1186
7/14/08 at 1:11am

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
After watching HELLBOY 2, I am not confident that they have picked the right guy to direct this movie. It is a given that he is very imaginative in creating a fantasy world..

But (if you don´t count PJ) who then? Raimi? I think we (fans etc) got the best director out there for this job.
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post #877 of 1186
7/14/08 at 2:46am

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Filmmagasinet RUSHPRINT

Christopher Lee talks Hobbit & Smaug
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post #878 of 1186
7/14/08 at 6:11am

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i dont think this will be the last ME as far as money is concerned. i dunno how many years will have passed but a re-adaptation will DEFINITELY happen for sure. the LOTR:EE as long as they are still retained HALF of the story that exists in LOTR book. you can make 6 of the 4 hour epics and they can barely finish the stories... though it could get extremely boring towards the end w/the shire.
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post #879 of 1186
7/14/08 at 11:57am

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What does ME stand for? I assumed it was Middle-Earth, but I don't think it fits some of the usages.

I don't have a problem with Del Toro, Aside from Jackson, I think he's probably the best man for the job. I was just worried about his use of creature effects as they don't quite match what we've seen in the LOTR trilogy and GDT was talking about integrating animatronics into The Hobbit. But the comments that Claire posted have been heartening.

And that Christopher Lee video. The man doesn't skirt around the issue does he?
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post #880 of 1186
7/14/08 at 12:07pm

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It could be that he is trying to land the part as the Voice of Smaug ..........

Now that would be interesting indeed
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post #881 of 1186
7/14/08 at 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by Claire Panke
BTW, Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth are the clinchers for me. I've been a fan of GDT's since Cronos, and I feek he's only grown as a creative atist over the years.

Well, if you are a fan of his work then it would stand to reason that he is the right man for the job, whether he is or not. I've watched PL, HB, and HB2. I haven't seen the "Devil's Backbone". From what I have seen, I just find his visions of fantasy to be dark, depressing, and freakish. That doesn't mean it isn't good work, because it is. However, I just find that every one of the films I saw has a certain stylistic look and feel, and that look and feel is one where you would want to avoid visiting any fantasy world that he had a hand in creating.

I have no doubt that he will be able to pull off the darker aspects of Middle Earth, but I sure have my doubts that he will be able to pull off the lighter, more beautiful parts of that world. For the record, I don't think that Jackson succeeded particularly well at depicting the best parts of Middle Earth either. He did do an excellent job at depicting the nastier, more miserable, aspects of ME. IMO, that is why he thinks Del Toro will be a good fit for this project.

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But (if you don´t count PJ) who then? Raimi? I think we (fans etc) got the best director out there for this job.

Unfortunately, I wish I could answer this question, but I can't. Maybe that is why this project is saddled with Del Toro, because there are too few directors working out there who can actually direct fantasy, dark or otherwise, and make it feel authentic.

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What does ME stand for? I assumed it was Middle-Earth, but I don't think it fits some of the usages.


Your assumption was right. Regardless of usage, ME stands for Middle Earth.
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post #882 of 1186
7/14/08 at 2:39pm

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
i dont think this will be the last ME as far as money is concerned. i dunno how many years will have passed but a re-adaptation will DEFINITELY happen for sure. the LOTR:EE as long as they are still retained HALF of the story that exists in LOTR book. you can make 6 of the 4 hour epics and they can barely finish the stories... though it could get extremely boring towards the end w/the shire.
A few years ago, I thought it'd be cool if they went back and shot some additional sequences and re-edited the trilogy each film into an epic miniseries. The hobbits can run into Tom Bombadil and they could even include the Scouring of the Shire! It's a bit too much of an undertaking, but kinda cool to think of. All the principals are with us and they all look more or less as they did in the movie.
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post #883 of 1186
7/14/08 at 4:19pm

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Originally Posted by JediFonger
i dunno how many years will have passed but a re-adaptation will DEFINITELY happen for sure.

I can't see it happening for at least 40 - 50 years from now if even that. We still haven't seen a "re-adaptation" of Gone with the Wind or Wizard of Oz both based on very popular books.
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post #884 of 1186
7/14/08 at 6:50pm

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isn't tin man somn about oz? there have been many GOTW-derivatives over the years.

either way, it'll happen whether or not it's good will be a question =P
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post #885 of 1186
7/15/08 at 12:54am

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Originally Posted by Edwin-S
(....will be able to pull off the lighter, more beautiful parts) For the record, I don't think that Jackson succeeded particularly well at depicting the best parts of Middle Earth either. .

For me "The Fellowship Of The Ring" is probably (well, hard to pick..) still my favourite one of the trilogy, and one reason for that is the first part of the film in the Shire (you know, warm, relaxed, beautiful..). So I feel that PJ balanced both parts (light vs dark) rather well.
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post #886 of 1186
8/18/08 at 7:46am

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Like his blue-collar demon hero Hellboy, Guillermo del Toro has a few issues with authority - Scotsman.com News

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The results are astonishing, with every detailed frame lovingly realised. Where the first film featured five different creatures, the new one has 32, Del Toro says proudly. Even so, although he rates the freedom he had on the film as 9 out of 10, he still finds it tough going back into the studio system after making Spanish-language films like The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth, because of the notes studios give to directors.

"People know that, even in the nicest ways, I am allergic to ideas and memos," Del Toro sighs. "I deal with them as good as I can, I try to help myself, but I'm not a very memo-friendly guy, sadly. I love making movies like The Devil's Backbone and Pan's Labyrinth, where I can wake up in the morning and change the entire story, and it's up to me. And why shouldn't it be that way? I really question, as a storyteller, why shouldn't it?"

This makes me wonder how he is going to survive working in New Zealand for four years on the Tolkien movies. According to some reports, he turned down the offer to direct a Harry Potter film because he felt he would be trapped by someone else's vision. So what is the difference?

First of all, he says, Tolkien was a part of his childhood in a way that JK Rowling, obviously, was not. "As an 11-year-old, The Hobbit hit me at the right time. So I think I'm more akin to that universe. If I had read Harry Potter at age 11, nothing would have stopped me from doing it," he insists.

As for the freedom issue, he believes that he and Jackson, who will executive produce the prequels, "have a great understanding". "We both know that The Hobbit, as a book and as an entity, is very different from the trilogy, but that the second movie needs to meld into the trilogy. So I believe I'm going to have full autonomy to rule that world within the parameters and confines that we mutually have agreed are necessary to preserve."

we have not heard the last of this imo
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post #887 of 1186
8/18/08 at 4:54pm

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Originally Posted by oscar_merkx

He is the director -- it's his movie. Like it or not. Again, let's reserve judgement until Part 1 comes out.
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post #888 of 1186
8/18/08 at 5:45pm

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I've had my own share of reservations, but nothing in there seemed out of the ordinary or very worrisome.
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post #889 of 1186
8/18/08 at 6:54pm

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Originally Posted by DavidJ
I've had my own share of reservations, but nothing in there seemed out of the ordinary or very worrisome.

Exactly. What is there to worry about? Seems to me he's keeping The Hobbit pretty faithful to the source material and the sequel to tie into Lord of the Rings is where he gets to play around.. isn't that the way it SHOULD be?
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post #890 of 1186
8/19/08 at 7:05am

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
Exactly. What is there to worry about? Seems to me he's keeping The Hobbit pretty faithful to the source material and the sequel to tie into Lord of the Rings is where he gets to play around.. isn't that the way it SHOULD be?

Agreed.
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post #891 of 1186
9/4/08 at 6:52am

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Originally Posted by DavidPla
Seems to me he's keeping The Hobbit pretty faithful to the source material and the sequel to tie into Lord of the Rings is where he gets to play around.. isn't that the way it SHOULD be?

Well said. I actually hope, that he WILL "play around" (in a good way, of course) with the "Hobbit sequel". I want HUGE fantasy ride.

Btw. Del Toro seems to be quite busy in the coming years ("booked" thru 2017!?)...
Guillermo Del Toro booked thru 2017 - Entertainment News, Film News, Media - Variety
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post #892 of 1186
9/22/08 at 7:46am

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Some recent comments from Viggo:

Weekend Movie News Wrap Up: September 21, 2008 - Screen Rant

"Viggo had this to say to MTV:

“I haven’t heard anything. Ian is very proactive. He’s been banging that drum!. It was a very important project to all of us and especially to him I think. He wants to make sure Gandalf is in there and in there early! I’m going to cross that bridge when I get to it. Obviously, I would rather have the chance to play that role myself since I originated it on film than have someone else do it.” "

So at least he´s very interested.
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post #893 of 1186
10/5/08 at 4:19am

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Guillermo del Toro on The Hobbit and Frankenstein - ComingSoon.net

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Currently at the beginning of pre-production on The Hobbit, del Toro discussed his process of gathering ideas, or "feeding his brain," in order to conceptualize his own vision of Middle Earth unique from where Peter Jackson went in his "Lord of the Rings" trilogy…

"I find you have to discipline yourself to write in the morning, and then watch and read in the afternoons stuff that seems relevant, even in a tangential way. For example, reading or watching World War I documentaries or books that I think inform 'The Hobbit,' strangely enough, because I believe it is a book born out of Tolkien's generation's experience with World War I and the disappointment of being in that field and seeing all those values kind of collapse. I think it's a turning point that you need to familiarize yourself with. I'm starting. Peter Jackson is such a fan of that historical moment and obsessive collector of World War I memorabilia, and he owns several genuine, life-size working reproductions of planes, tanks, cannons, ships! He has the perfect obsessive reproductions of uniforms of that time for armies of about 120 soldiers... each. I asked him which books he recommended… because I wouldn't be watching 'Krull' or 'The Dark Crystal,' I need to find my OWN way into the story. That's the same way I did 'Pan's Labyrinth' or 'Devil's Backbone,' by watching stuff you wouldn't think about.

There is much more
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post #894 of 1186
10/23/08 at 3:10am

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here are 3 links of 1 GDT interview

Guillermo del Toro: “I’m so voracious about The Hobbit!” | Hobbit Movie News and Rumors | TheOneRing.netâ„¢ | The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings Movie News and Rumors

Del Toro Interview Part 2: “This is the hardest movie I’ll probably ever do!” | Hobbit Movie News and Rumors | TheOneRing.netâ„¢ | The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings Movie News and Rumors

Del Toro Interview Part 3: “I Love New Zealand!†| Hobbit Movie News and Rumors | TheOneRing.net™ | The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings Movie News and Rumors

great to find out that Howard Shore is already writing the music

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Anthony: Some of the work which has begun, I understand Howard Shore is actually already at work on the music - is that correct?
Guillermo: Yeah. Yeah. That’s right.
Anthony: And how …
Guillermo: … I’m meeting with him tomorrow.
Andrew: Oh, OK. And is that you’re first?
Guillermo: Ah, no. I met him before. And I’ve admired him for even longer. But, my feeling is one of the most fortunate things that he’s back because if you have to single out the most important pieces of continuing that Universe, he certainly is one.
Anthony: Absolutely. So thus far what are your conversations with him like? I mean down to Do you feed him pages? Or are you..
Guillermo: No I think the best way to go about this is to keep the pages to ourselves and just allow people to come from different places – where it be designers, you know. We have conversations – I’ve had a great couple of conversations with John Howe and Alan Lee. And John has been feeding me reactions – reaction sketches to those conversations. And I try not to react to those sketches yet. I try to allow him to feel he’s free to try anything he wants; ‘cause then you are surprised. The same thing is with Howard. I think the parameters are pretty clear. And that is it has to belong to the same Universe, and the music of the three movies – so.
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post #895 of 1186
11/9/08 at 1:34am

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Nigel Sixsmith, British Keytar Player from “The Art of Sound,” hired as Assistant Audio Producer for ‘The Hobbit’ | Hobbit Movie News and Rumors | TheOneRing.netâ„¢ | The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings Movie News and Rumors
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post #896 of 1186
11/10/08 at 11:18am

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I have been watching the HBO/BBC miniseries 5 Days on DVD. I think I owe many of you an apology.

Hugh Bonneville should be Bilbo.

There I said it. Happy?
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post #897 of 1186
11/10/08 at 1:13pm

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I was one of those who expressed the desire to see him as Bilbo. The only problem is, I think he's too tall to be photographed as a hobbit. If they can do it (forced perspective or whatever the heck they can do) he'd be perfect.
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post #898 of 1186
11/30/08 at 1:15pm

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Del Toro talks ?Hobbit? in Live Chat | BilboHobbit.com

Q:WHEN DOES FILMING FOR THE HOBBIT BEGIN?
A:it will begin in 2010 and we will shoot for about 370 days or so…

Very interesting indeed.

I suspect we should be hearing about casting soon if shooting lasts a full year
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post #899 of 1186
11/30/08 at 6:25pm

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They're going to need a full year of shooting to make two films? Seems excessive to me. Didn't the original LOTR trilogy only take 13 months or so?
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post #900 of 1186
11/30/08 at 9:48pm

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Originally Posted by Malcolm R
They're going to need a full year of shooting to make two films? Seems excessive to me. Didn't the original LOTR trilogy only take 13 months or so?
Principle photography for the trilogy was shot in just 274 days, not counting pickup shots that were spread out over the following years. 370 days for 2 films seems like an awful lot.
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