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post #241 of 2333
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Mk2 (France) - Region 2- PAL "Bed and Board" vs. Criterion (Doinel Boxset)- Region 0 - NTSC vs. Fox Lorber - Region 0 - NTSC
Big thanks to Ole of DVDBasen for the PAL Screen Caps!

All versions seem marginally cropped in spots, but it is all negligible. The Mk2 image is slightly softer, but at the cost of detail. Again this difference is marginal in comparison to the Criterion which shows slight grain. I think the skin tones are more true in the Criterion, but again, a slight difference. Both the Mk2 and Criterion versions show the failings of the Fox Lorber image, which, actually, is not that bad considering. The real disparity is in the extras which go totally in Criterion's favor. The Mk2 has some nice additions as well, but they are not subtitled in English. Again the Fox Lorber has included the short 'Tribute to Jean-Pierre Leaud' and again has burned in subs for the film and this extra. Colors are relatively balanced in all three versions. If I had bought the 12 Disc Truffaut Boxset from Mk2, I wouldn't be overly disappointed in comparison to the Criterion in this case, especially if I understood French for the Extras. Still though, buy the Criterion Boxset if you don't own this film.


Warner - Region 2/4 - PAL "The Shining" vs. Warner Region 1 - NTSC vs. Warner - Re-mastered - Region 1 - NTSC
Big thanks to Ole of DVDBasen for the PAL Screen Caps!

Okay. My research tells me that there are at least 4 versions of this film.

• The original theatrical release version at 146 minutes.

• U.S. theatrical release and R1 DVD - 144 minutes.

• International theatrical release - 119 minutes (After the film's US release garnered mixed reviews and disappointing box-office, Kubrick cut a further 25 minutes from the film. With a few exceptions - a National Film Theatre screening, an ITV showing in the early 1990s - all non-American versions of the film will conform to this cut).

• International PAL video version (including R2/R4 DVD) - 114 mins.

These cut versions were personally edited and approved by Stanley Kubrick himself - indeed, he apparently favors the shorter cut now AFTER critics reviews. Personally, I don't like adjusting your 'art' to appeal to critical comments and am glad the longer one is still available on Region 1 DVD. The 146-minute version seems to have vanished for good. I believe it had an alternate ending.

The quality of the video goes in this order. R1-remastered is the best, R2/4 next, R1-old version is the worst. I don't think I need to go into detail as it is documented quite adequately on Michaels website HERE. I agree reviewer Paul Cordingley's comments in his conclusion - "In overview, the R1 (re-mastered) presents the film in a manner which I find more satisfying in all ways – visually, sonically and story-wise." and about the longer version ..."the film feels more rounded and complete."

In detail, the old R1 appears washed out. In comparison the Region 1 re-mastered version is far superior in every category. What I am most interested in is the subtle differences such as the cropping. In certain scenes it appears the older version was cropped, but if you look closely it is apparent in all three versions. Also, I wonder WHY the title font in Vivian Kubrick's short featurette was changed when it was made so many years ago? It seems crazy to me. Nice addition in the new version ( both R1 and R2/4) is the commentary on the short which is not there on the older version. The re-mastered version is brighter, sharper clearer with occasional reddish skin tones. Buy the Region 1 re-mastered and watch the long version, less altered by critical judgment. - Gary W. Tooze
NOTE: The new versions should have included the original sound (2.0 mono) as an option as we are essentially not hearing it the way Mr. Kubrick intended

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Cheers,

P.S. I appreciate the support of all who e-mail me with corrections or offers with screen captures of future comparisons. Please understand I am one man (with a young baby!), and am trying the best I can... thanks.
post #242 of 2333
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Three more...

New Yorker - Region 1 - NTSC "Hana-bi ('Fireworks')" vs. Spectrum - Region 0 - NTSC

HBO "Out of Print" - Region 1 - NTSC "The Best Years of Our Lives" vs. MGM- Region 1 - NTSC

Firstly the HBO version is 'out of print' and a bit of a collectors item with good reason. Although it is a single layered disc (2 sides), it makes up for it with other advantages over the MGM version. It has better picture quality and better Extras.

As the film progresses the better contrast and sharper image appears more prevalent in the HBO version. Look at Fredric March's face in capture #3 and Dana Andrews face in capture #4. Both are more detailed with visible film grain in the older HBO version. Bother version show some artifacts at times in the film, but they are very negligible.

On the Extras front, the HBO version has included a wonderful featurette with Virginia Mayo and Teresa Wright. I was impressed that Virginia Mayo continued her character role of Marie from the film with selfish anecdotes. Teresa Wright was as touching as she was in the film bringing herself to tears describing the emotional effect one scene with Myrna Loy and Fredric March still has on her. You may also play the wonderful music score from the film isolated as an audio option. The MGM version has the same un-restored original trailer that the older HBO version does. I am lazy, but the flipping of the disc is not that big of an issue for me as it gives a intermission to a film that is longer than most others, so I say "get the HBO version' while you still can.


Universal - Region 1 - NTSC "The Shadow" vs. Columbia Tri-Star - Region 2 - PAL

- see what the R1'er's lose to Pan and Scan...


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post #243 of 2333
Great comparison of The Shadow, Gary!

That last image really shows how much is being lost. Luckily, I haven't purchased this disc and refuse to until it is properly done.
post #244 of 2333
Gary:

Can't return it, I bought it from the Amazon marketplace.

Question: I followed the link on the website to the Amazon.co.uk product page. If the link was for the Amazon.co.uk item with the extras and the Market entry only said new (but was linked from that page with the ed with the extras), should the seller have mentioned that it was barebones?

Thanks!
Debbie
post #245 of 2333
BTW the Amazon UK page shows an ID of D888484 and the one he sent me has an ID of D88813.

Am I correct in assuming that if something is sold through zShops and is linked to the Special Edition page of an item, that the ZShop item has to be the Special Edition also?

I had already written to the seller about delivery time and never got a reply back, so I'm not too sure he'll answer the e-mail about the discrepancy. On May 10th if I don't hear back I'm filing a claim. Think Amazon UK will see it my way?

deceiving practices.

Thank you,
Debbie
post #246 of 2333
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and three more...

Studio Canal - Region 2 - PAL "Total Recall" vs. Artisan (oop) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Artisan - SE - Region 1-NTSC

Palm Pictures / Lion's Gate (UNRATED) Region 1 - NTSC "Sex and Lucia" vs. Tartan - Region 2 - PAL

MGM - Region 1 - NTSC "The Adjuster" vs. Alliance Atlantis- Region 1 - NTSC

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post #247 of 2333
This might be slightly off topic, but how can it be that Total Recall gets listed as:
"1.78:1 Original Aspect Ratio" (the R2 release)
When it is at the same time: "1.85:1 Original Aspect Ratio" (both of the R1 releases)??

Shouldn't "Original Aspect Ratio" be the Original Aspect ratio of the movie? (according to IMDB it would be: 1.85:1)
post #248 of 2333
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Quote:
Shouldn't "Original Aspect Ratio" be the Original Aspect ratio of the movie? (according to IMDB it would be: 1.85:1)
Technically I suppose you are correct KristianH but a 1.85:1 image is vertically shrunk in order to fit a 1.78:1 anamorphic screen. The entire image is preserved, and only a miniscule 4% of the original resolution is lost. Being so negligible we often don't consider that cropping or adjusting the original aspect ratio, although technically it is.

Regards,
post #249 of 2333
The R2 should read 1.85:1. You can see in the screen shots that it is very slightly letterboxed. Like they all are. You can't tell from the pictures but the R2 has more detail and much better color. Especially the reds, a lot more saturated than the R1 SE.

note, the R1 OO (Live) version is slightly cropped on all four sides also.
post #250 of 2333
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Thanks Mark, it has been corrected and add one more:

FACETS / Image Entertainment - Region 0 - NTSC "The Decalogue" vs. Infinity Entertainment (Korean) - Region 0 - NTSC

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Cheers,
Gary
post #251 of 2333
Gotcha! and thanx, to you both.
post #252 of 2333
Thread Starter 
Two new comparisons:

RusCiCo Region 0 - NTSC (with PAL speed-up) "War and Peace" (1967) vs.
Kultur - Region 1 - NTSC
All screenshots courtesy of Ashirg. Thanks Gregory!


20th Century Fox (Italy) - Region 0 - PAL "Solaris" vs. Criterion - Region
0 - NTSC
Big thanks to Paolo Pardo for the PAL Screen Caps!

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post #253 of 2333
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After 160+ Comparisons, I thought it might be time to make some observations. We can see patterns develop:

For Alternate Regions, the French R2 PAL (ex. TV1, Mk2, Arte, ) produce some of the best DVDs that I own. Although with them are many Japanese DVDs ( Asmik, Shochiku, Norman Nose ) who are also at the top of the heap.

Columbia Tri-Star seems to be a very consistent winner in DVD quality, and Criterion produces the best Region 1 DVDs, but has some lesser quality skeletons in their past. This can easily be explained by them being first out of the gate, but overall you won't suffer (except your pocketbook) by buying Criterion nowadays.

MGM Region 1 fair very well against themselves in alternate region but lose out to Criterion every time ( Sid and Nancy, Silence of the Lamb, Unbearable Lightness of Being etc.)

Universal , are all over the board, from great quality ( Cape Fear - both versions ) to a horrible ( Charade on the back of The Truth About Charlie ). Probably not fair to isolate that one film as it was a bonus, but if they took the trouble to anamorphisize it, they could have made sure the colors weren’t way off.

Warner Region 1 seem to own the international DVDs rights to most of their films and often go up against themselves usually having the native standard one ( PAL or NTSC ) win out over the other.

Fox Lorber is consistently on the losing end of many battles. Even one of their stellar DVD (The Umbrellas of Cherbourg) was beaten by a French R2 Company France Distribution Video.

The majority of the Hong Kong Region 0 DVDs lose out... with the exception of 'Hero".

Starmax (Region 0, NTSC) of Korea has done a good job winning both 3-tiered battles of YiYi and Beijing Bicycle.

Although Tartan (Region 2 UK ) have produced some amazing DVDs in their Bergman collection, outside of that they have some poor DVDs with burned in subs on many Foreign Films (Gospel According to St. Matthew, The Umbrellas of Cherbourg etc.)

Artificial Eye (Region 2 UK ) have proven a disappointment in many cases...Eureka, L'Appartement, and of course their Nostalghia release. They only seem to beat-up on inferior competition, but almost always come up short against the likes of Columbia Tri-Star or Criterion .

Alliance Atlantis are the worst in my opinion. They seem to fail any chance they have to prove themselves... The Straight Story, The Adjuster, The Red Violin, The Fast Runner... and their blunders are never small... pan and scaning widescreen, violent color manipulation.... yuchhhh!

Pleasant Region 1 surprises include HBO’s The Best Years of Our Lives and Republic Studio’s It’s a Wonderful Life .


These are just a few of my observations; you can make different interpretations by observing the data at http://www.compare.dvdbeaver.com/
post #254 of 2333
Quote:
Columbia Tri-Star seems to be a very consistent winner in DVD quality
With a strong caveat added that this does not necessarily apply to their releases of Hong Kong films in R1.

Regards,
post #255 of 2333
Thread Starter 
Can we have some examples Ken...

Cheers,
post #256 of 2333
Once Upon a Time in China
Once Upon a Time in China 2
Miracles (aka Mr. Canton and Lady Rose)

Those were enough to make me read reviews before purchasing Columbia/Tristar HK stuff. Other than that caveat, I agree with your observation.

BTW, has anyone seen the R1 Once a Thief?

Regards,
post #257 of 2333
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3 more... and one on deck!

Image - Region 0 - NTSC "Intolerance" vs. Kino (Masterworks) - Region 0 - NTSC vs. Eureka - Region 0 - PAL
- New Kino Masterworks is the way to go !

Criterion*- Region 0 - NTSC "Big Deal on Madonna Street" vs. Fox - Region 2 - PAL
- Criterion image quality is the best, but short on extras... R2 offers 5.1 sound option!

UPDATED: Umbrella Entertainment Region 0 - PAL "Cinema Paradiso" vs. HBO - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Buena Vista - Director's / Theatrical cuts - Region 1 - NTSC
- show the new R1 has even more vertical cropping !

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Coming VERY soon!!:
Buena Vista - Region 1 - NTSC "Spirited Away" vs. Intercontinental Video Ltd. (Hong Kong) - Region 3 - NTSC

Cheers,
post #258 of 2333
Nice Intolerance comparison. I just recently sold my R2 Eureka version (and also The Birth Of A Nation) and bought the Griffith Masterworks set.

I have a little question about it though:
All titles in the set came with an insert, except for the Intolerance DVD. Should that also have come with an insert?
post #259 of 2333
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Mark,
Quote:
All titles in the set came with an insert, except for the Intolerance DVD. Should that also have come with an insert?
Pavel, who sent in the Masterwroks screen caps says this:
Quote:
My copy definitely has an insert.
But: I recently bought it on eBay, and in description it was said: "However, this is one of the defective first pressings - the music accompaning this silent film emerges from the left speaker only." It really doen't have right channel, only in the main feature. But for me it's not a problem, it's silent movie.
So, I mean I have not a regular edition. Maybe I have an insert instead of right channel...

Regards,
post #260 of 2333
Damn Kino has done some nice work lately. Those colors in the Image released look faded and even yellowed some in the green.
post #261 of 2333
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Two new comparisons up...

Buena Vista - Region 1 - NTSC "Spirited Away" vs. Intercontinental Video Ltd. (Hong Kong) - Region 3 - NTSC
- see the red tint for yourself...

(Buena Vista - Region 1 - NTSC - TOP vs. Intercontinental Video Ltd. (Hong Kong) - Region 3 - NTSC - BOTTOM)





The Hong Kong-made Region 3 NTSC disc is distributed by a company called IVL. It is reported to have identical video quality as the Region 2 Japanese-made DVD version. Both the Hong Kong and the Japanese disc have an apparent reddishness on the video transfer throughout the film, as shown in the screenshots below. This "red tint" phenomenon has been well-documented in DVD review sites, and is generally considered a major snafu by the Japanese distributors who provided the print for the DVDs.

Unbelievably, the Region 1 Buena Vista disc is not totally free of the reddishness, according to the screenshots I took below. Skies still look a bit turquoise, and whites are still not quite pure white. I performed a rudimentary comparison. I obtained RGB values for the white color on the first set of screenshots below, just to get some basic quantification on the amount of reddishness. On the IVL screenshot, RGB values for the white color on Chihiro's shirt are 247/189/140, clearly indicating an red push. On the BV screenshot, they are 226/199/172. Only on the screenshot of the Japanese *trailer* on the BV disc do we get the closest white values: 235/238/223.

(My screenshots were captured using PowerDVD that has been color-calibrated with "Avia Guide to Home Theater." Also, they were originally captured in BMP format, then saved into JPG format with only 5% compression, reducing the file sizes by 90% while still retaining much of the original qualities. But please note that these screenshots are for comparison solely among the screenshots I took. Do not try to compare my screenshots with those from others. Do not try to compare the qualities of my screenshots with those from your PC monitor or TV screen. Every video system is calibrated differently and functions differently from others dependent on many factors such as ambient lights, equipment quality, and not to mention, personal preferences regarding brightness and contrast adjustments, etc. My screenshots simply indicate the differences of the two discs observed on ONE calibrated system.)

Aside from the reddishness, the Buena Vista and IVL discs seem comparable in quality. They look similarly sharp and clean. With the heavier red tint, which subdues the white color as seen in the first screenshots below, the IVL disc seems a bit darker when there is a high level of white on the screen.

The bit rate diagrams above show the BV disc has a lower average bit rate. This is corroborated with the screenshot below (where Yubaba is clutching Haku), in which, upon closer look, the BV disc shows slightly more compression artifacts around the edges.

The DTS 6.1 Japanese track on the IVL disc is noticeably better than the Dolby Digital 5.1 tracks on the BV disc. The higher bit rate of the DTS track resulted in a more realistic and immersive experience. -Kevin Yip

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Criterion - Region 0 - NTSC "The Importance of Being Earnest" vs. Roadshow Entertainment (Australia) - Region 4 - PAL
Criterion once again decimates the competition in the image department.

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post #262 of 2333
Thanks for this awesome website and this great effort. I just want to express how much we all appreciate you and what you're doing!

dave
post #263 of 2333
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Another:

Image - Region 0 - NTSC "Birth of a Nation" vs. Kino (Masterworks) - Region 0 - NTSC vs. Eureka - Region 0 - PAL

The Eureka DVD image in this case is the sharpest. It doesn't have the sepia and purple tinting that both the Image and the Kino versions have. The Kino and Image pictures are identical, meaning they used the same print and probably the same process, if Kino didn't just by it from Image which would be my guess. The Kino disc has many extras (see webpage), but for image quality you will want the Eureka as well.

NOTE: The Eureka PAL DVD is part of "D. W. Griffith - Monumental Epics" 4-disc Boxset, but should be the same as single edition and the Kino can be bought as part of the 'Griffith's Masterwork Set' or individually. - Gary W. Tooze


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post #264 of 2333
Thanks for the Intolerance info, Gary!

I guess I'll have to contact DDD or Kino then....
post #265 of 2333
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4 more comparisons

Universal - Region 1 - NTSC "Fahrenheit 451"vs. MK2 - Region 2 - PAL

Anchor Bay - Region 1 - NTSC - Theatrical cut "Army of Darkness" vs. Universal- Theatrical Cut - Region 1 - NTSC

Tartan - Region 0 - NTSC "Battle Royale" vs. Universe Laser - Region 3 - NTSC NOTE: This is for the THEATRICAL RELEASE - coming soon - The Directors Cuts!

NEW/UPDATED: Criterion - Region 0 - NTSC "In the Mood For Love" vs. TF1/Ocean (France) - Region 2 - PAL
Criterion loses this one... their version is cropped (both vertically and horizontally), has been brightened, color manipulated (reddened) and is less sharp... shame.

Criterion Region 0 NTSC:



TF1 Vidéo / Océan Films Region 2 (France) PAL:





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post #266 of 2333
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Two UPDATE/ADDITIONS:

ADDITION: Eureka - Region 0 - PAL "Faust" (Murnau) vs. Kino*- Region 0 - NTSC vs. Divisa Red - Region 0 - PAL

ADDITION: Kinowelt - Region 2- PAL "The Tin Drum" vs. Kino*- Region 0 - NTSC vs. Dreamix (S. Korean) 'Tin Box' - Region 3 - NTSC

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post #267 of 2333
So Criterion loses one, huh? And on one of my favourite films too......

Does anyone know if there's any difference between the transfer on the french SE edition used in Gary's comparison, and the UK SE edition? It seems like the extras are similar at least.

I'm also tempted by that nice tin-box edition available in Hong kong..... Any info on this?
post #268 of 2333
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Quote:
...french SE edition used in Gary's comparison, and the UK SE edition

I've been told they are the exact same...

Regards,
Gary
post #269 of 2333
Thread Starter 
Two UPDATES and Two New:

UPDATED: Anchor Bay - Region 2 - PAL - Director's cut "Army of Darkness" Anchor Bay - Region 1 - NTSC vs. MGM - Region 3 - NTSC

UPDATED:Warner (France) Region 2 - PAL vs. Tartan - Region 0 - NTSC "Battle Royale (Theatrical Cut)" vs. Universe Laser - Region 3 - NTSC NOTE: This is for the THEATRICAL RELEASE


Starmax (Korea) - Region 0 - NTSC "Battle Royale (Director's Cut)" vs. Tartan- Region 0 - PAL vs. Cream (Korea) Region 0 - NTSC

Free DVD magazine - Region 1 - NTSC "The Night of the Living Dead" vs. Elite (Millennium Edition)- Region 1 - NTSC vs. Elite (Special Collector's Edition) Region 0 - NTSC

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Regards,
Gary
post #270 of 2333
Yes! I'm loving the spate of genre films. I was also glad to see Dellamorte Dellamore(!) in your comparisons. Of course I have both versions, so for me the question is moot.

How about a comparison of Harold and Maude, which has R1, 2, and 4 releases?
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