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post #2071 of 2333
9/21/08 at 8:30pm
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Re; Paul's comment - Just so we are not taken out of context - our review highlights a few different emails that we recieved (not only the one he quoted). This would support the variety of impressions we received after our posting and comparing of the screen captures from the new Blu-ray restoration and the older SD-DVDs.
Another quote we used, from a person I greatly respect:
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I saw it many times, and I owned a 35mm IB Tech print of it, and the Blu-Ray screencaps look exactly right and I can't wait to get the SD DVD upon its release. Kudos to all involved, especially the "supervisors" - Coppola and Willis, who certainly know what their film should look like."

In the past, Mr Harris even joined us in attempting to dissuade PaulP from his other stated opinions regarding color in both the Criterion Black Narcissus and Kwaidan comparisons. Despite the fact that many feel that Paul is not on solid footing with his judgements - he is still entitled to his opinion even if I personally felt he was wrong back then as well as now.

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post #2072 of 2333
9/22/08 at 8:33am

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I just find it strange that the colors look nothing alike, not even close. Or don't you agree?
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post #2073 of 2333
9/22/08 at 10:11am

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Forget the '01 DVDs, I'm furious that the Blurays don't look like my VHS tapes recorded off Bravo.
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post #2074 of 2333
9/22/08 at 2:35pm

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I think this is turning into another case where the restoration might be technically correct, but it doesn't match what I've been seeing for the last 35 years. Some of those colors just look odd. It doesn't help that it's Coppola. It wouldn't be the first time that his "vision" has morphed with age.
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post #2075 of 2333
9/22/08 at 3:53pm

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Originally Posted by Patrick McCart
Forget the '01 DVDs, I'm furious that the Blurays don't look like my VHS tapes recorded off Bravo.
Please tell me thats snark.
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post #2076 of 2333
9/22/08 at 5:06pm

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I would hope so.
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post #2077 of 2333
9/22/08 at 6:20pm

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Originally Posted by mdnitoil
...It doesn't help that it's Coppola. It wouldn't be the first time that his "vision" has morphed with age.
A perfect example is the newer director's cut of THE OUTSIDERS. He completely tossed out the entire orchestral score composed by his late father, Carmine Coppola, in favor of songs from the period. It changed the whole atmosphere of the film. I'm not saying it was for the worse, but I just felt bad for poor Carmine.
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post #2078 of 2333
9/22/08 at 7:15pm

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Originally Posted by Mark-P
A perfect example is the newer director's cut of THE OUTSIDERS. He completely tossed out the entire orchestral score composed by his late father, Carmine Coppola, in favor of songs from the period. It changed the whole atmosphere of the film. I'm not saying it was for the worse, but I just felt bad for poor Carmine.
I wouldn't. That score was terrible.
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post #2079 of 2333
9/23/08 at 11:37am
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Universal (Old CE) - Region 1 - NTSC "The Thing" vs. Universal - Region 2,4 - PAL vs. Universal (CE) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Universal - Region A Blu-ray

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post #2080 of 2333
9/25/08 at 8:36am
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An email sent from the same party that PauP was quoting...

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...We put on 'The Godfather' Blu-ray last night and were totally blown away and 'in awe' of the three dimensionality of the presentation. It is staggering both visually and audibly. On our system, it beats out all the other Blu-rays, bar none, in our collection (including, The Searchers, Rio Bravo, Blade Runner etc.) We too, are still 'catching our breaths' as Leonard so aptly put it. This is the first time that I've felt the people on the screen were alive and almost in the room with me.

I just wanted you to know that I have completely reversed my original opinion ....

Email from RAH:
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For the record...
For GF 1, we located (at the Academy Archive) and used as reference, the original 35mm dye transfer print on which Gordon Willis had signed off in 1972. It had NOT BE TOUCHED OR VIEWED IN THE INTERVENING DECADES!
This was our pure and undeniable reference, giving us color and density information with very few printing anomalies.
Reference for GF 2 were several dye transfer prints which had survived, and which were loaned to us by AMPAS, UCLA and the Harvard Film Archive. For GF 3, we had Bob Raring, the original Technicolor timer on board.

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post #2081 of 2333
9/26/08 at 5:43am
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Warner Home Vidéo - Region 2 - PAL "The Picture of Dorian Gray" vs. Warner - Region 1,2,3,4 - NTSC

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post #2082 of 2333
9/29/08 at 8:37am
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Universal - Region 1 (2-disc Legacy Series) - NTSC "Rear Window" vs. Universal (Alfred Hitchcock - Masterpiece Boxset) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Universal Pictures - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Universal Pictures - Region 2,4 - PAL

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post #2083 of 2333
9/29/08 at 12:00pm
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Universal - Region 1 - NTSC "Vertigo" vs. Universal - Region 1 (Masterpiece Collection) - NTSC vs. Universal - Region 1 (2-disc Legacy Series) - NTSC


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post #2084 of 2333
9/29/08 at 5:06pm
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20th Century Fox Pictures - Region 1 - NTSC "The Happening" vs. 20th Century Fox Pictures - Region 'A' - Blu-ray

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post #2085 of 2333
9/30/08 at 4:13am

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Originally Posted by Gary Tooze
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Paramount (Coppola Restoration) - Region A Blu-ray - NTSC "The Godfather" vs. Paramount - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Paramount (UK) - Region 2 - PAL

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More to follow...
Gary, in your opinion, are those bluray caps representative of how the movie looks when it is played?
Such as this one http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDRe...0blu-ray/2.jpg
vs this http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcom...er/0.25.52.jpg
It looks like the black level is off on the bluray, too bright/white, but
that is probably not how it looks when it is played, right?
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post #2086 of 2333
9/30/08 at 4:31am
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That would depend on what system you are watching it on RickardL...
As one example, my plasma tends to intensify colors and brighten (even at nuetral settings) but I've seen it projected at a friends house and, yes, it looks just like my caps which were derived without filters or enhancements of any kind.

Did you not see the quotes in the GF comparison?:

White Sheik says in email: ".....
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I saw it many times, and I owned a 35mm IB Tech print of it, and the Blu-Ray screencaps look exactly right...


Herr Schreck from the Criterion Forum states: "
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I saw-- coincidentally-- the restored Godfather in the cinema yesterday. I have no doubt that what I saw yesterday resembled very closely the film upon it's original release... no attempt was made to soup it up. And the Blu caps look just like what I saw...

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post #2087 of 2333
9/30/08 at 10:05am
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Walt Disney (Two-Disc Platinum Edition) - Region 1 - NTSC "Sleeping Beauty" vs. Walt Disney - (2-disc Platinum Edition) - Region A - Blu-ray

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post #2088 of 2333
9/30/08 at 12:33pm

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^So it appears that Disney has vertically cropped the film again. *sigh*
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post #2089 of 2333
9/30/08 at 4:18pm
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Paramount (2-disc) - Region 1, 4 - NTSC "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" vs. Paramount (2-disc) - Region 'A' - Blu-ray

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post #2090 of 2333
9/30/08 at 6:42pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Dalek
^So it appears that Disney has vertically cropped the film again. *sigh*
Wrong! Disney has gone back to the original elements to show the original 2.55:1 frame for the very first time. Keep in mind that when Disney began production on Sleeping Beauty, the CinemaScope AR was 2.55:1. It wasn't changed to 2.35:1 until the majority of animation was completed on Sleeping Beauty. Go and take a look at some comparison pics here:
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/...-2008-a-8.html

The frame has actually been opened up on all four sides. Previous transfers were derived from 35mm reduction elements, which apparently were cropped down from the 2.21:1 frame area of the 70mm prints. This transfer is really a marvel.
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post #2091 of 2333
9/30/08 at 9:31pm

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Originally Posted by Stephen_J_H
Wrong! Disney has gone back to the original elements to show the original 2.55:1 frame for the very first time.
Unless I'm mistakened, the original Technirama elements of Sleeping Beauty are 2.25:1 due to the double-neg size.
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post #2092 of 2333
9/30/08 at 9:55pm

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Yes, but Technirama was a flexible format in terms of composition, and it's clear from the screencaps I've seen thus far that there was a lot more information on the negative than wound up on the 35mm CinemaScope reduction prints. Remember that the 2003 transfer and any prior widescreen transfers were taken from 35mm reduction elements.
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post #2093 of 2333
10/1/08 at 8:16am
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Twentieth Century Fox - Region 'A' - Blu-ray "Young Frankenstein" vs. Twentieth Century Fox (Special Edition) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. 20th Century Fox (Special Edition) - Region 2 - PAL

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post #2094 of 2333
10/1/08 at 4:06pm
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Sony - Region FREE - Blu-ray "The 7th Voyage of Sinbad" vs. Sony (50th Anniversary Edition) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Columbia Tri-Star - Region 1,3,4 - NTSC


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post #2095 of 2333
10/2/08 at 11:21am
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Mei Ah ( 2 VCDs ) - Region 0 - NTSC "Fist of Legend" vs. Dimension Home Video - Region 1- NTSC vs. Dragon Dynasty Ultimate 2-disc - Region 1 - NTSC

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P.S. I have the upcoming Weinstein (Genius label) '4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days' and it appears that most North Americans won't be seeing this film in its Cannes winning 2.35:1 format. It is 1.78. I'll compare it eventually.

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post #2096 of 2333
10/3/08 at 1:27pm
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Sony Pictures (2-disc) - Region 1, 3, 4 - NTSC "Earth vs. the Flying Saucers" vs. Sony (b/w + colorized) - Region FREE - Blu-ray

Sony (original) - Region 1,3,4 - NTSC "It Came From Beneath the Sea" vs. Sony (b/w + colorized) - Region FREE - Blu-ray vs. Sony Pictures (2-disc - b/w + colorized) - Region 1, 3, 4 - NTSC

Artificial Eye - Region 2 - PAL "4 Months 3 Weeks and 2 Days" vs. Genius (IFC) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. Mongrel Media - Region 1 - NTSC

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post #2097 of 2333
10/4/08 at 6:00pm
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Artificial Eye - Region 2 - PAL "The Edge of Heaven" vs. Strand - Region 1 - NTSC

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post #2098 of 2333
10/6/08 at 10:35am
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Warner - Region 1 - NTSC "Body Heat" vs. Warner (Deluxe Edition) - Region 1,2,3,4 - NTSC vs. Warner - Region FREE - Blu-ray

Deluxe SD




Blu-ray




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post #2099 of 2333
10/6/08 at 5:08pm
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20th Century Fox (Special Edition) - Region 1 - NTSC "The Omen" vs. 20th Century Fox (2-Disc Collector's Edition) - Region 1 - NTSC vs. 20th Century Fox Region 'A' Blu-ray

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post #2100 of 2333
10/7/08 at 5:11pm
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Universal - Region FREE - Blu-ray "Casino" vs. Universal (Anniversary Edition)- Region 1 - NTSC vs. TFI Video (Edition Collector 3 DVD) - Region 2 - PAL vs. Universal - Region 1 - NTSC

In our review of Criterion Eclipse 13 - Mizoguchi's Fallen Women we have included comparisons captures of Akasen chitai (1956) ... aka Street of Shame with the UK Masters of Cinema edition.

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