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post #1 of 130
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Dear Mr. Blythe,

I'm sure you are not familiar with many of the films that your company owns the rights to, and I'm also sure this would be one of them. But LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THE FABULOUS STIANS, is one that deserves your attention. This overlooked '81 satire on rock music, the only other directorial outing by Lou Adler, and an early starring vehicle for Diane Lane, Laura Dern, and Ray Winstone, has picked up a devoted cult of fans over the last 20 years. I was largely responsible for its recent revival at the Nuart Theatre in Los Angeles, where we played it for four weeks worth of midnights, and also great reviews from the local critics.
I would direct you to a very well-written article on the film by director Sarah Jacobsen in the Beastie Boys-published magazine GRAND ROYAL, issue #6, or to episode 29 of John Pierson's SPLIT SCREEN program on IFC, for a more eloquent explanation of its significance. Or I could just use the quote from Courtney Love proclaiming it the best movie ever made, which we used to advertise the film during our engagement.
Since this film has never received even a VHS release, I think this could be a demonstration of the revivalist powers of DVD, much like Anchor Bay's issue of Universal's TWO-LANE BLACKTOP helped it find a new audience. By enlisting the services of director Adler, who has already done a great commentary on your UP IN SMOKE disc, and Ms. Jacobsen, who was able to get interviews with disgruntled screenwriter Nancy Dowd, you could have a great disc. By including missing scenes from it's prerelease incarnations as ALL WASHED UP and THE PROFESSIONALS, you could show the dramatic differences in its initial incarnation and how Adler was able to "save" the film in editing. A commentary track where Adler could face off against Dowd, debating the merits of each's vision would be most entertaining, like the contentious discussion between Steven Soderbergh and Lem Dobbs on the dvd of THE LIMEY. Perhaps also an isolated music score, since there has never been a commercial release of the excellent soundtrack that features members of The Tubes, The Clash, and Sex Pistols.
I'm sure at this time, this is a quixotic pursuit. But my conversations with Jacobsen have revealed that this is something Paramount has considered before. I would like to see them consider it again.
Thank you for all your serious and thoughtful replies to this forum.

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post #2 of 130
Mark and Mr Blythe,

I would have to agree that this film (which was pretty much abandoned by Paramount theatrically in the early 1980's) is a real gem and a film that is increasingly gaining a large cult following thanks to word of mouth, TV screenings (VH1 and MTV I believe) and a few selected theatrical screenings. Bearing in mind the increasing interest in the film as well as the films stars now being 'hot', I think this could be a very worthwhile release. Please consider it and add it to the schedule or license it to Anchor Bay or someone else to distribute. A true gem worth seeking out if you can.

Thank you,

Martin.

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M.J.
post #3 of 130
Paramount,

Do you think this title is a possibility for DVD sometime soon (next year maybe)? 2003?

Thanks,
post #4 of 130
I'm pretty sure the film was released on VHS once back in the mid-80's, but even if not, it seems to me that no new release could be a matter of soundtrack rights, the same problems that are plauging GREASE and SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER.

Just a guess. Personally speaking, I wouldn't mind seeing the film on disc, but I'm not holding my breath.

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Matthew Kiernan
post #5 of 130
It's funny how many Paramount titles are not getting done because of music rights.

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post #6 of 130
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I think a novel way to help defray the costs of repaying for music rights on THE FABULOUS STAINS would be to approach some of the musicians that have been influenced by the movie, get their thoughts on camera for a great supplement, and get a small donation. I bet a lot of the better hard rock grrl bands like The Donnas and Le Tigre could put up a couple hundred bucks, and weird as it sounds, the money adds up as more people find and like the film.
Hey, it worked when Spike Lee needed post production money on MALCOLM X.
post #7 of 130
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It's funny how many Paramount titles are not getting done because of music rights.

Not that funny, I'm afraid. And not just limited to Paramount. The video revolution opened up a whole new can of worms in terms of music licensing. While I would like to believe altruistically that some artists are enjoying newfound revenue, it is more likely that record companies and ASCAP are the primary beneficiaries of this windfall. And as such, the heavies preventing films like STAINS, SATURDAY NIGHT FEVER, AMERICAN HOT WAX, and others from seeing video release. Also the forces that have given us heartbreaks like THE PRESIDENT'S ANALYST minus Barry McGuire's scene-appropriate assassination song, or the rescored DOGMA trailer on DVD, or indeed, kept classic trailers off of DVD.

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post #8 of 130
I would love to see this film. I became interested a few years ago, after a great article in Grand Royal magazine about the film, with interviews with most of the principals involved.
post #9 of 130
I don't know whether any of you guys can help on this but I have a couple of queries regarding '….Stains'.

Firstly, what was the original aspect ratio of the film? Lou Adler used 2.35:1 for 'Cheech and Chong: Up In Smoke" but on my VHS copy the framing looks closer to 1.85:1. What aspect ratio was the film made in and what did you guys show it as at the Nuart?

Secondly, I know that not everyone, is a fan of the ending of the film, but personally I think it is great - the highlight even. The '…Stains' music video for 'Professionals' (used over the end credits) really rocks and it is so, so cool to see big name stars like Diane Lane and Laura Dern playing air guitars and dressed-up strutting their stuff. I think they actually do a great job. Laura Dern looks slightly different to how she does in the rest of the film, and Diane Lane looks every bit a 'rock star' as she does in the excellent 'Streets of Fire'. They all look like they a having so much fun. I really, really hope that this music video (in it's entirety) gets onto the DVD! Soo cooool!

Thirdly, I cannot for the life of me, work out why this film wasn't given a chance. It's just absolutely great. Everyone, I mean everyone who has seen this film loves it! I don't know anyone who dislikes it and it's huge cult status and a hopeful DVD release is throughly deserved.

Please if you know the answers to the above, please let me know.


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M.J.
post #10 of 130
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#1) The film was shot with an unmasked camera, and was thusly designed to be projected at 1.85:1 Adler's interest in CinemaScope apparently was a one-shot deal.

#2) I accept the ending, but it is one of the factors that made writer Nancy Dowd disown the film and take the Rob Morton pseudonym. Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
It is clever editing that disguises the fact that, as originally written and shot, the mass gathering of skunk clones in the TV station lot is actually a "cattle call" for sleazy manager Dave Robell's next girl band project. Corrine laughs because she sees a whole lot full of suckers that will be used just like her. Look closely at the two skunks on a motorcycle that are supposedly listening to her song playing on the radio; THERE IS NO RADIO ON THEIR CYCLE. While sneaky, one must credit Adler's cleverness in taking a down ending and making it go 180 degrees.


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Laura Dern looks slightly different to how she does in the rest of the film

That is because all that footage was shot a year later. Paramount attempted to salvage the film by having Adler reunite the girls to shoot the music video and create a "happy ending" for the film. I do not know if and when they tested the film with the old bitter ending, but they must have; on the print we showed, there were three titles, 2 crossed out, with dates next to them. One was Dowd's original title, ALL WASHED UP, next was THE PROFESSIONALS, and then finally LAG: TFS.

#3) It was made in 1981, went through numerous edits, the writer walked off, the director lost interest...the studio felt to give it any sort of real release would be to throw good money after bad. Plus, teen movies were not a moneymaker yet; John Hughes' films would not hit the scene until 1984, punk was still an underground idea, the fact that the "video" is a slap at MTV is a fluke, since MTV was not yet a household word. The world was just not ready. Happens all the time, sad to say. Just be happy it is embraced now.

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post #11 of 130
Thank you for answering the questions. The ending you mentioned did not even occur to me. Very, very clever editing.

I trust you have seen this:
http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/28/fabulousstains.html

There is also info and pictures from the film on some of the many Diane Lane sites.
http://us.imdb.com/NUrls?MSC+Lane,+Diane
http://www.DianeLaneFanSite.com/

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Grand Royal Issue 6?

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M.J.
post #12 of 130
I haven't seen this movie since I was a little kid. I think I saw it on Night Flight back in the 80's.

I have been trying to find a bootleg copy of this for years. The music is great. Diane Lane is wonderful. Please release this on DVD.
post #13 of 130
I'm sure that Martin Blythe and those at Paramount are looking into this film because of the Paramount poll and the general 'booming' interest in this film.

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M.J.
post #14 of 130
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Hey, Stainerators! Here's an idea for you if you have time and inclination. Go to any busy theatre that will be playing the Mark Wahlberg fluff movie ROCK STAR, with a boombox playing "Join the Professionals," a couple hot pictures of Diane Lane, and a petition to get the movie on tape and DVD. Then collect all those names and send 'em on to Paramount. Let the multiplex equivalent of "Heavy Metal Parking Lot" work for us!

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"As I looked back over my life, I realized that I enjoyed nothing--not art, not sex--more than going to the movies." -- Gore Vidal
post #15 of 130
That is a really good idea! Sadly, the impression I get is that not many people are paying to see 'ROCK STAR'.

I would definately, sign any poll to get '..STAINS' on DVD!

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M.J.
post #16 of 130
Sorry for bumping this topic back up, but I just wish to cast my vote for this movie...being as I'm into late-70s/early-80s music like in this movie, and I'm a fan of Diane Lane (YOWZA!). Paramount, please release this movie.

Sincerely,

John Kilduff

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post #17 of 130
I really think Paramount could make some money on this film as a DVD release. DVD was made for cult films like this!

Does anyone have any links to the Grand Royal article about the movie?

Does Diane Lane (Double Yowza) and the girls do their own singing/playing?

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M.J.
post #18 of 130
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I normally try not to make any reference in this forum to the nationally broadcast cable TV series that I appear on, the better to keep the focus of postings on the movies that we love. But I think it is worth mentioning that after a recent episode of BEAT THE GEEKS aired, in which I taunted a contestant by proclaiming, "We're the geeks, and we don't put out," the Comedy Central message board began to blaze with postings from viewers who either were fans of LADIES AND GENTLEMEN THE FABULOUS STAINS and recognized the reference, and those whose curiosity was piqued by my mention. A couple of people even managed to locate my private email address and asked me if I knew of how to obtain it. I had to sadly tell them it is unavailable.

As our moderators have said, Paramount has been very attentive to our comments, and their "B title" poll is a clear indication that our comments matter to them. While no details can be revealed now, it is likely some of our suggestions will be made into actual fall releases.
Therefore, I put the question to the mountain: I would not and do not expect this movie to come out this year. But could a 2003 release be in the works? Perhaps just in time for the 20th anniversary of its first very brief theatrical run? (While completed in '81, I believe it did not have its original Denver playdate until '83) I'll be more excited for this than a kid waiting for Christmas if a sliver of hope can be dangled in front of me.
post #19 of 130
I have heard from another "STAINS" fan who says that he personally spoke with a Paramount rep. (He understanably wouldn't say who).

He did say, however, that Paramount are very, very aware of all the interest in "Ladies And Gentlemen.. The Fabulous Stains" and that the studios main issue of concern was the music rights. It apparently has a lot of "clearance issues" to be sorted out.

But rest assured, they are taking this films renewed popularity very seriously, so there is hope.

Also, with "Unfaithful" being such a big hit, and getting it's star Diane Lane alot of media and critical attention, I'm sure that could help Paramount sort-out the clearance issues and release the film on DVD as soon as they can.

Please do NOT take this as a confirmation of "...Stains" coming to DVD, but it does look as promising as it ever has. So keep your fingers crossed and keep threads like this going to remind Paramount of the interest.

Thanks.
post #20 of 130
Sweet! The film actually turned up on Canadian TV several years ago. It holds up pretty well.
post #21 of 130
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Martin, thank you for the encouraging news. If you have chance to speak to this fellow fan, or, more appropriately, if this fan has a chance to speak with his insider at Paramount, try to let them know that there is a major television personality ready to devote his time (at no charge) to collecting interviews, commentary, and offering critical evaluation on this film. Namely, me. Arguably, there may be other people out there who know the movie and it's side stories better than me, but they haven't come forward. I'm here now, ready to get involved. In short, Corrine Burns may not put out, but I will.
post #22 of 130
Edward,

That would be soooo cool. If Paramount could use yourself, and Sarah Jacobsen to get together on this project. However, I think they will need to sought out the clearance issues before anything else.

I'm hopeful that Martin Blythe and Paramount will see this thread and hopefully when the time comes for this film to be released on DVD (probably not soon due to the clearance complications) they will call on yourself and Sarah Jacobson to get involved. Who knows maybe Lou Adler, Nancy Dowd, Diane Lane, etc would get involved as well!

In the meantime, we will have to be satisfied that Paramount are aware of this films popularity and I'm sure will release it on DVD if and when they can. Fingers crossed!
post #23 of 130
Sorry Mark, I called you Edward in my last post. Apologies.

I have forwarded a link to this thread to Paramount, so that they will know of yours and Sarah Jacobsen's interest in helping with a DVD.

I think it is important we don't get too excited yet though. Paramount do wonderful jobs on their DVD's, but the clearances may take some time to sort out and even then there are no guarantees despite the films popularity.
post #24 of 130
Hi Guys,

I had a reply from Martin Blythe himself re "...Stains". He confirmed pretty much what we know already within this thread. i.e. the film has alot of clearance issues and problems. He went onto say that it is unlikely Paramount will be visiting this title anytime soon. He did not say whether work was being done in sorting out these issues.

Mark, Martin Blythe has noted you and Sarah Jacobsen's interest in contributing IF and WHEN a "...Stains" DVD becomes a reality. Sorry, that this news is not very positive, but it does confirm that we will not be seeing it 2002 at least. But rest assured Paramount (and indeed Mr Blythe personally) does know of the interest in this film, and the contributions fans are willing to make.

Mark, I have a couple of other questions if you don't mind.

1. Do you know what the original budget was for "..Stains" or "All Washed Up" as it was known in it's original guise?

2. Is "..Stains" mentioned on the Paramount DVD of "Up In Smoke"? In the Lou Adler commentary perhaps?

3. Lastly, I guess there is really nothing else we can do about a Paramount DVD release is there? The clearance issues are something only Paramount can sort out, so I guess we just have to be patient.
post #25 of 130
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It's perfectly reasonable and logical that we cannot expect STAINS this year. I had personally estimated autumn of next year if we were lucky. In fact, that would be better, in that it would give more time to put together a good supplementary package, on an independent or studio-sanctioned basis. When the clearances prove cost-effective (Lane and Winstone's popularity in video sales, high profile demand from fans, etc), Paramount will do the right thing.

In response to your questions:

1. Nothing I have found in my research has indicated an actual budget. Nancy Dowd had a 2-script commission assignment at Paramount as a result of SLAP SHOT's success when ALL WASHED UP was written and optioned. The choice of original director Jonathan Kaplan, who made OVER THE EDGE for a reasonably small sum at the then-new Orion company, indicated the aspirations were probably small at first. But when Lou Adler chose to direct it (over AIRPLANE, which he was also offered), the combination of UP IN SMOKE's huge returns and his influence (through his rock clubs and record label) could have increased the budget. UP IN SMOKE had a low budget and wound up with a $100 million+ return, so the prevailing thought was that as long as he stayed low, the film was guaranteed to turn a profit. They were wrong, obviously.

2. There is not one reference to STAINS anywhere in the Adler commentary track on the UP IN SMOKE DVD. Perhaps due to the chummy reminiscences being shared with Cheech Marin the subject of other directorial outings never came up.

3. The only thing we can do at this time is to show there is a fanbase for this film that will spend money on it. And that can be done in various ways. For example, fans living in cities with repertory movie houses can badger those theatres into booking the film (there is currently one playable print in the U.S.), as I did at the Nuart last year. But then make sure the film draws a crowd and makes money for the theatre and Paramount by spreading the word of mouth.
One could also start a fansite on the web, and inform Paramount if it attracts a significant number of hits. Linking it to popular sites of similar subject matter (riot grrl music, cult movies, etc) is a good way to draw the uninformed. Paramount's reluctance at this time is also a matter of consumer awareness: are there enough people out there who have heard of the film to make it worth pressing mass quantities and selling them.
Another idea (for the more moneyed and entrepreneurial) would be to license merchandising rights to elements of the film. Make T-shirts, dolls, posters, and such. This kind of third party promotion goes on often, and if Paramount begins to see revenue from someone else's initiative at marketing a previously dead property, it will put the bug in their head to make the movie available.

Hope that answers everyone's questions.

Finally, I thought I'd post something to build a dream on. I THOUGHT I would, but apparently I can't upload stuff from my hard drive here. Anyone tell me how I can send my prototype so that people reading this thread can see it? I tried the vB linking, but I don't think it worked because my art is not web-based.
post #26 of 130
The shame is that Diane Lane, Ray Winstone and the whole "..Stains" thing have never been bigger than they are now.
post #27 of 130
man, i love this movie. i'd buy it on dvd.

billy to corinne - "you're just hair ain't ya"
post #28 of 130
I remember seeing this cool movie eons ago. It was cool then and it seems even cooler now. I have always seen it's unfortunate history as kinda mystical. It almost adds to it's appeal, and I'm still to this day baffled as to why Paramount buried the film.

Eitherway, an OFFICIAL DVD release of "LAG:TFS" would be very welcome sometime in the near future.

ciao, Ricky
post #29 of 130
Have any of you guys seen the Sarah Jacobson short "Ladies And Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains: Behind The Movie"?
post #30 of 130
I'm not sure how much point there is to this. But this is what I'd LOVE to see on a DVD of "...Stains".

"Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains" UNCUT version in remastered anamorphic widescreen 1.85:1 aspect ratio (enhanced for widescreen TV's) and remastered Dolby Digital audio.

Audio commentary with director Lou Adler, writer Nancy Dowd, "Stains" fans/historians Sarah Jacobson and Mark Edward Heuck, and other participants.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, The Fabulous Stains: Behind the Movie", the acclaimed 12 minute 1999 documentary made by Sarah Jacobson and Sam Green. The documentary includes interviews with stars Diane Lane, Christine Lahti, Debbie Rochon, and also Paul Cook and Steve Jones of the Sex Pistols, Fee Waybill of the Tubes, and director Lou Adler and writer Nancy Dowd.

"The Professionals", complete music video as seen over the films closing credit sequence.

The films unused theatrical trailer and promotional artwork.

What would you guys like to see on the DVD (If or when it arrives)? Please POST your ideas.
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