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post #2761 of 2829
1/19/08 at 9:33am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Also our SD Briefcases lack the letters "SD" on the bottom sticker.
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post #2762 of 2829
1/19/08 at 4:40pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

...unless, as I've stated before, you have my SD briefcase edition, which has the sticker, and no number whatsoever on it...nothing, nada, just a blank hologram Blade Runner sticker, and nothing else
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post #2763 of 2829
1/19/08 at 4:55pm

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StevePA you have the Zen edition.
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post #2764 of 2829
1/19/08 at 5:08pm

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I got the 4 disc Blade Runner set in SD this week and I popped it in my player because I wanted to check out the transfer. I hadn't expected to watch the whole thing, but the transfer quality and the colors just blew me away so much that I watched the whole thing.
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post #2765 of 2829
1/19/08 at 5:17pm

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Originally Posted by StevePA
...unless, as I've stated before, you have my SD briefcase edition, which has the sticker, and no number whatsoever on it...nothing, nada, just a blank hologram Blade Runner sticker, and nothing else
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COLLECTOR'S ITEM!
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post #2766 of 2829
1/20/08 at 3:36pm

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Watched the final cut saturday and Dangerous Days today.

Staggering. Amazing.

It really is Final.

To think that all those reels were going to be junked!

Facinating to see Jerry Perenchio... I wonder if it really was him holding things up all these years.. But as Charlie said.. those 5 years gave the tech time to catch up with what they now wanted to do...

so it all worked out wonderfully in the end.

:-)
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post #2767 of 2829
1/20/08 at 9:36pm

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I was watching the DC on Friday night and was thoroughly amazed by the sharpness and presence of natural film grain. I used the zoom function on my DVD player just to get a closer look and it holds up beautifully. No EE and beautiful, natural film grain. Wow! I can't wait to watch the Final Cut this weekend.
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post #2768 of 2829
1/21/08 at 9:51am

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^hmmm, I thought I saw some light aliasing on the Archive Editions due to some very light vertical edge enhancement
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post #2769 of 2829
1/21/08 at 11:35am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

I already own the SD 5-disc edition, but I saw a digital presentation of the Final Cut last week at a local cinema.

WOW. I've never seen BR on the big screen before, and this presentation was better than I could have hoped - the detail, colour, everything was just staggering quality.

I've watched all the documentaries on the discs, and I'm currently re-reading my old copy of Future Noir, which I havn't looked at in years. The story of this film, before a frame had even been shot, is fascinating - reading the book I lost count of the times i was shaking my head at some of the events that occured.

I was too young to Blade Runner on its original release, and I've only ever seen the 92 DC and the Final Cut, so will have to sit down and watch the US or International Cut, and the Workprint soon, to check out differences.

Thanks, Charlie, for your years' of hard work!
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post #2770 of 2829
1/22/08 at 2:07am

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Originally Posted by JamesTLewis
Facinating to see Jerry Perenchio... I wonder if it really was him holding things up all these years.. But as Charlie said.. those 5 years gave the tech time to catch up with what they now wanted to do...

so it all worked out wonderfully in the end.

:-)
I had the same thoughts when watching Dangerous Days (BTW, big huge to Charlie for what must surely be the documentary of the year!). I note that DD glossed over the legal hellhole that BR had been stuck in, and I certainly understand why it's not raised -- in an sense, now that the ultimate BR set has indeed been released, it's moot and the set will stand for a long time, but it would be interesting to know the details. Of course, it could simply be something as mundane as the percentages, e.g. Perenchio/Yorkin were only prepared to let WB have x%, WB wanted more.

Just as we're all curious as to what Charlie had to cut out of the Alien3 making of documentary. At least in Kingdom of Heaven Ridley and the producers did discuss how they basically 'bamboozled' the studio by shooting all the footage the needed for the full-length version Ridley wanted to make, edited the theatrical cut the studio wanted but knowing full well they could revisit it with the proper intended cut as a "director's cut" on DVD.

Geez Charlie, don't you ever work on uncontroversial movies?
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post #2771 of 2829
1/22/08 at 7:39am

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having the BD set as well as seeing on the big screen, i still prefer the big screen.

since this is warner... could u have imagined BR on the IMAX!?!?!?!!?!??!!??! that would have ROCKED BIG TIME!
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post #2772 of 2829
1/22/08 at 9:27am

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Originally Posted by Yee-Ming
Geez Charlie, don't you ever work on uncontroversial movies?

But those are the best kind!
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post #2773 of 2829
1/22/08 at 9:34am

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what is your next controversial project ?
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post #2774 of 2829
1/22/08 at 12:04pm

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Charlie, have you anything to say about the percieved sound mix issues in the DC on disk three? We're all still in the dark as to what your view on this is.
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post #2775 of 2829
1/23/08 at 7:12am

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When I watched the Final Cut for the first time on Christmas Day: The opening imagery blew me away. The depth of the bass gave me the shivers. That synergy of vision and sound is something I've rarely witnessed.
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post #2776 of 2829
1/23/08 at 7:50am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by oscar_merkx
what is your next controversial project ?

I have two. One is for a DVD title, which could end up including the most controversial documentary I've ever worked on, by far. The other is a feature film, which is looking to be very NC-17. More later...

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Originally Posted by mike kaminski
Charlie, have you anything to say about the percieved sound mix issues in the DC on disk three?

Lots, but nothing I can share right now. However, it should be noted that the 2.0 track is correct, so the 1992 Director's Cut is still preserved in the set.
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post #2777 of 2829
1/23/08 at 1:05pm

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Originally Posted by Charles de Lauzirika
Lots, but nothing I can share right now. However, it should be noted that the 2.0 track is correct, so the 1992 Director's Cut is still preserved in the set.

True, we can watch the proper DC in 2.0., so we're none worse off than the previous release at least.

Please share your thoughts on the 5.1 mix issues when you can though, there are a lot of people wondering whats going on (well, maybe not a lot--but some of us!).
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post #2778 of 2829
1/23/08 at 1:42pm

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Am I to assume, then, that both previous DVD releases of the 1992 Director's Cut contained only a 2.0 soundtrack, and no a 5.1 track?
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post #2779 of 2829
1/23/08 at 4:12pm

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Originally Posted by cafink
Am I to assume, then, that both previous DVD releases of the 1992 Director's Cut contained only a 2.0 soundtrack, and no a 5.1 track?
Yup.The materials simply didn't exist to do a 5.1 mix of the DC since the film was only issued in 35mm and came at a time when Dolby Digital mixes were fairly rare.
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post #2780 of 2829
1/23/08 at 5:35pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Dalek
Yup.The materials simply didn't exist to do a 5.1 mix of the DC since the film was only issued in 35mm and came at a time when Dolby Digital mixes were fairly rare.

It would probably be a four-track stereo matrix though. Is the DVD 2.0 mix a surround matrix?
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post #2781 of 2829
1/23/08 at 7:29pm

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Yes. It's identical to the track used on the DC only release from 2006.
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post #2782 of 2829
1/24/08 at 8:55am

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Somewhat off-topic, but, does anybody know why Paul Sammon's revised and expanded edition of his FUTURE NOIR has been published in the UK but not in the USA?
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post #2783 of 2829
1/24/08 at 10:51am

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Originally Posted by Roy Batty
Somewhat off-topic, but, does anybody know why Paul Sammon's revised and expanded edition of his FUTURE NOIR has been published in the UK but not in the USA?

No knowledge whatsoever. However, it might likely tie to rights clearances. His book was published a while ago, thus he may have to clear/negotiate rights again. As different groups sometimes share worldwide rights to things like photos, it may be that he has UK rights and is still trying to clear USA rights.

That's only a guess.
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post #2784 of 2829
1/24/08 at 2:02pm

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Originally Posted by Lord Dalek
Yup.The materials simply didn't exist to do a 5.1 mix of the DC since the film was only issued in 35mm and came at a time when Dolby Digital mixes were fairly rare.

Charlie would be able to shed more light on this than I, but keeping in mind that Dolby Digital had its public debut earlier in 1992 and that the theatrical release of the DC was pretty limited (it never broke 100 theatres), odds are that a 2.0 matrixed Dolby SR track was the only option given by Warners at the time. It seems unlikely that something like a DD 5.1 or CDS 5.1 soundtrack would have been considered feasible or economical.

Damin
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post #2785 of 2829
1/24/08 at 2:10pm

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Originally Posted by Roy Batty
Somewhat off-topic, but, does anybody know why Paul Sammon's revised and expanded edition of his FUTURE NOIR has been published in the UK but not in the USA?


I too want to know if I should wait for a US edition, or import. If he could make an announcement that would be good.
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post #2786 of 2829
1/24/08 at 8:36pm

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Originally Posted by Damin J Toell
Charlie would be able to shed more light on this than I, but keeping in mind that Dolby Digital had its public debut earlier in 1992 and that the theatrical release of the DC was pretty limited (it never broke 100 theatres), odds are that a 2.0 matrixed Dolby SR track was the only option given by Warners at the time. It seems unlikely that something like a DD 5.1 or CDS 5.1 soundtrack would have been considered feasible or economical.

Damin

Based on Future Noir, it seemed to me that it might just be a 4-track stereo mix. It was made from the four-track stems, basically an exact copy of the original mix just with a few deletions and additions for the V.O. removal.
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post #2787 of 2829
1/25/08 at 7:53am

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Originally Posted by mike kaminski
Based on Future Noir, it seemed to me that it might just be a 4-track stereo mix. It was made from the four-track stems, basically an exact copy of the original mix just with a few deletions and additions for the V.O. removal.

Presumably, for the theatrical release of the DC, such a soundtrack would only have been executed as a 2.0 matrixed Dolby SR track. It seems beyond unlikely that, say, discrete 4-track magnetic sound would have been used. Given that, it would appear that 2.0 matrixed surround track (as we have in the Final Cut sets) faithfully reproduces the original 1992 theatrical release sound format of the DC.

I'm taking this to be Charlie's point when he states that the DC is correctly "preserved" in the Final Cut sets. So, if one's goal is historically accurate presentation, the erroneous 5.1 track can be ignored as an unessential bonus feature gone awry.

Damin
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post #2788 of 2829
1/25/08 at 8:38am

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As far as I am aware (and this is coming off Blade Zone which may or may not be accurate), only one 4-track magnetic print was struck for Blade Runner. This was for the London premiere of the International Cut where the film was presented in Quadrophonic Stereo.
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post #2789 of 2829
1/25/08 at 9:12am

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Originally Posted by Damin J Toell
Presumably, for the theatrical release of the DC, such a soundtrack would only have been executed as a 2.0 matrixed Dolby SR track. It seems beyond unlikely that, say, discrete 4-track magnetic sound would have been used. Given that, it would appear that 2.0 matrixed surround track (as we have in the Final Cut sets) faithfully reproduces the original 1992 theatrical release sound format of the DC.

I'm taking this to be Charlie's point when he states that the DC is correctly "preserved" in the Final Cut sets. So, if one's goal is historically accurate presentation, the erroneous 5.1 track can be ignored as an unessential bonus feature gone awry.

Damin

If one's goal is truly an historically accurate presentation of the DC, that would mean watching it at a theatre where it was originally shown with pre-1992 speakers. I don't say that to be facetious, rather than get back to the real issue (at least to me).

Hopefully, most of us want what we pay for. You start going down the path of what is truly 'essential' versus 'non-essential' we'd all be in cars with manual roll-up windows. If we go down the route that a botched 5.1 track can be ignored, does one make the same argument to ignore the (correct) 5.1 track on the Final Cut? I doubt it. Thus, I just don't see any reason to sugar-coat the issue at hand.

Clearly, Charlie is not in a position to tell us more at this point. Let's wait and see what he has to say.
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post #2790 of 2829
1/25/08 at 10:16am

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I agree that the 2.0 track then could said to be a true preservation of the soundtrack in its original form. The 5.1 version is like an "enhanced home theater" re-mix, so though its not exactly faithful to the content of the original mix its a bit of a bonus anyway. Still a bit unfortunate though. But you know I think I'd rather have a perfect copy of the original soundtrack and a slightly botched home theater re-mix than a perfect home theater remix and a botched original mix. We're not losing anything, we just aren't gaining anything.
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