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Neither can I, since @ last count, Canada's population is ~32 million. 1/10 seems to make more sense.

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Looks like the soundtrack on the archival Director's Cut has been messed up:
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Just checked my DVD, and the Theatrical Cuts seem to be fine in both 5.1 and 2.0, and also the 2.0 track on the Director's Cut. But the 5.1 track has the same errors posted above.

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Hmm, that is indeed very disturbing. The DC is the one thing I haven't gotten around to watching yet...

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A problem caused by creating a new mix for the DC? IIRC its the only version of the film pre-final cut to not have a 70mm mix associated with it.

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Still waiting for my briefcase. play.com have just re ordered it as 2 weeks later, it hasn't arrived. As it was my Christmas present I has a REAL quiet christmas.....

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What the guy posted as problems on the other site:


The problems are NOT just limited to the HD-DVD version, they are also on the SD discs.

Problems listed above refer to the 2007 video release of the Director's Cut which is on Disc 3 of the various editions.

Problem 1 (@8:15): Don't agree this is an error. As we first see Deckard reading a paper as he waits for a spot at the food bar, the song "If I didn't care" cannot be heard, at least not clearly like on the Workprint version. There IS a hint of a woman's voice in the background amidst the other sound effects but this is also on the 2006 DC video release.

Problem 2 (@24:00). "Kowalski" is heard and it is NOT on the 2006 video release of the Director's Cut.

Problem 3 (@1:09:45) Has the Workprint music NOT the music used for the 2006 DC video release - during the scene of Deckard waking up to the point where he says "I dreamt music."

Problem 4 (1:52:18) There is what I would describe as a short swelling of electronic violin strings just after the closing of the elevator door that is NOT on the 2006 DC video release. It does sound like the music on the International Cut that continues with the happy ending.

Of all the problems, inserting the workprint music during the love scene on the Director's Cut is by far the biggest error. It's not a branching error where it's grabbing the wrong audio cue on the disc; the work print is on another disc.

Naturally, this will be an unhappy state of affairs for a lot of BR fans that grew up on the DC version. Many decided to pass on the 2006 DC video release as they knew that the DC would be released with the Final Cut version.

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Those audio problems are on the "1992" Director's Cut, right?

Edited: I was confused by the reference to the 1992 DC being the 2006 DC. You mean the 2006 reissue of the 1992 DC.

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I can't speak to what is actual on film, just what I see in the different video releases. But I see what you mean, so I edited my post a bit to reduce the confusion.

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Actually it is on the 2006 disc and your right that it is part of the love theme that isn't complete because the abbreviated ending cuts it off (even wierder is Ridley elected not to fix it for the Final Cut), I noticed it last time I watched it a week ago in anticipation for my imminent acquisition of the Briefcase.

While these audio goofs are a bit strange they're nothing to lose hair over in my opinion, another case of the internet going insane over blatant nitpicking.

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It's actually different. On both the 2007 DC and FC, it's more forward/louder sound element than in the 1997/2006 DC video releases. I will grant you it is a minor thing.

However, I don't think it's "blatant nitpicking" to expect that the love scene music be the right music ... particularly when they released the right music last year.

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It probably only seems louder due to the better dynamic range on the 5.1 track. Remember we are comparing this to a 17 year old 2.0 track.

I'll grant you however that the Desolation Path thing does sound fairly weird however and although I honnestly don't really care (if the 2.0 is accurate I'll stick with that) I would like to hear Charlie's explanation behind it.

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I just received mine from Amazon (no doubt after a detour to customs).

No. 028233/103000. And it was in pristine condition. The external Amazon box was a bit bashed up, but as noted by others the briefcase is contained in another close-fitting cardboard package, which appears to have been put on at source: it says "Please remove the contents of this carton prior to displaying on store shelf" -- as if some retailer would have put plain cardboard boxes on the DVD shelves???

My letter from Ridley, clip in plastic block, spinner and unicorn are all in perfect condition. I will say the spinner seems a little flimsy, though, and opening the doors did make me worry if I'd break them off.

I can't wait to get home and actually watch the discs. And once again, kudos to Charlie for putting out an awesome set!

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This is what I am thinking. Don't forget, the 1992 DC is a total rush-job, so its highly plausible that they simply cut the track in a sort of crude manner such as this. I definitly didn't notice it in the 1997 disk, but the new audio mix is much crisper on the 2007 DC disk so I'm chalking this up to simply bringing out faults that the older, poorer transfer didn't reveal. The music issue in Deckard's intro struck me as a similar thing--I think its just the crisper audio transfer bringing out detail that previously was lost; its clearly different from the workprint mix, as Rich pointed out.

The "Kowalski" thing I first thought was maybe along similar lines--but then we have the workprint music in the "I dreamt music" section, which is a clear change from a totally different source, so its probable that "Kowalski" ended up in there in a similar manner. This is a pretty big mistake IMO, because its not a true archive of the DC--how the heck this happened, I haven't a clue, it seems so random the way workprint sound mix would get spliced into only one or two scenes (is the "Kowalski" audio from the FC?).

My question is that if none of these are apparently on the 2006 DC release, then whats the source of its sound mix? My assumption was that it was the proper mix and picture of the 2007 release, just released early while the rest of the 2007 were being readied. If its a totally independent transfer and re-mix (which to me makes little sense), then is the fact that the 2007 release is taken from remastered original elements a way of explaining the first two instances (end music swell and Deckard's intro) being simply more audio detail being brought out?

This is all very fishy.

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I remember buying a new Blade Runner DVD earlier this year, guess I'll have to check it out again.

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DVD Verdict's 2007 "Golden Gavel Awards" are up, honoring their picks for the 10 best DVDs of the year...and guess which one nailed the top slot?

(You get three, and the first two don't count. Also, fittingly, the Twin Peaks Gold Box captured the #2 award.)

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I just checked out my HD-DVD of those scenes in the Director's Cut including the violin strings at the end and can confirm these are authoring errors as the 2.0 Track on the same disc doesn't have this. So it seems only the 5.1 Dolby digital track is affected. This is an odd error....

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By the way, anyone received their Blade Runner 3CD album yet? Mine came last night, and first thing I did was rip it for my iPod - but, weirdly, it sounds like the first CD is mixed way too low. The other two discs sound fine, but the 1994 album you can barely hear... Am I (not) hearing things?

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A significant and expensive blunder. I wonder who is responsible for this mess-up? How could this happen? Oh well, I guess that's the way it goes.

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Ok, I know there is no format war on HTF...but, now that I bought the HD-DVD briefcase, does anybody know if there are any differences in video and/or audio quality between the BD and HD versions?

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What's the feeling on this, does it rise to the level of needing a fix from Warner, necessitating their implementing a massive replacement program?

By the way, if the 2.0 track is also offered, was it also restored, remixed for this release?



--Jack

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I would say so. Given that the set is an "archival" of all the versions of the film, that it doesn't contain the proper DC is very significant.

I guess thats what happens when you are releasing a film in DVD, HD-DVD and Blu-Ray--things get all confused and messed up; they already had to replace the workprint disks, and I'm convinced the massive delay in the SD set in Canada was due to a quiet warehouse recall--and now this.

Somone should e-mail WHV about setting up a replacement program.

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Nope, its the same old 2.0 on the previous two dvds.

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Nah its the Loudness War at work.

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So it's the earlier next to last DC in this release that is faulty? How do we know? Is it in comparison to the last DC release or the original DVD? We're not talking about the absolute newest Final Cut?

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I'm not sure what your asking here but to clarify: the DC on the new 4/5-disk 2007 collection features a faulty sound mix.

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Well that's just... great. Is this the WB Superman debacle all over again?

So the question is, how does the 5.1 mix on this DC compare to the limited edition disc DC in 2006 that we all avoided because this one was coming? Was there even a 5.1 mix on that disc or did it only contain the old 2.0 track?

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If you watch the Dangerous Days documentary you will find out that there was no complete sound track for any of the versions. Each cut of the film had SOME sound elements missing from the original sound stems. Some of them even had blank sections in the middle of an other wise normal track. This required the sound editors to make a new track using all existing elements and actually recording some new elements.

So it's not surprising that you will hear bits from different versions of the film.

Doug

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Given that the theatrical version of the film and Final Cut have the correct music, and the theatrical version has the correct sound (ie no "Kowalski") this doesn't hold up as an answer.

The fact is that the DC is not the true DC.

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But surely if the DC is being presented here in its "definitive" form, i.e. the form that it's been presented in since 1992, surely the 5.1 mix should at least match up to the 2.0 mix?

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Just saw the Final Cut in lowly SD. Blew me away; the cumulative effect of the restoration and all the subtle tweaks I either noted or missed entirely, is that Blade Runner is still Blade Runner, but more vibrant and "current" than I've seen it before.

I've read contradictory statements about whether Scott integrated some--or all--of the additional violence of the International version into his Final Cut. Well, some or all of it is definitely in there. You just can't miss that signature nostril gouging from Pris. One of the most bizarre, elegant and exotic assaults on film; it's like "ballet attack," and true to character.

I didn't mind "I want more life, Father," since Roy seems genuinely hopeful there...that Tyrell will be his salvation. The rage comes later.

Regarding any audio glitches in the archival DC; since so much footage is shared by these cuts via seamless branching...would that same scene be represtented accurately in 5.1 in another version? I don't see Warner feeling the need to do anything about this.



--Jack

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That's not really the point though is it?