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post #2431 of 2829
12/15/07 at 10:44am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by joshEH
This all still makes me somewhat heartbroken that Ridley's version of I Am Legend got killed by Warner Bros. something like a week or so before principal photography was set to begin, back in the summer of 1997.

They even had the official website already up and running, and I remember it feeling like a kick in the testicles that what would've been Ridley's first genre picture in over a decade got zotzed so close to the trigger getting pulled. Here's hoping he finds his way back again, down the road.

Well, if memory serves me, Arnold Schwarzenegger was slated to star in Scott's still-born I AM LEGEND, so... we'd never know if that was actually a blessing in disguise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Schwarzenegger basher, and he's got quite a few aces on his resumee (I'm particularly fond of McTiernan's LAST ACTION HERO), but I certainly can't picture him starring in the kind of moody, bleak film this should be.
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post #2432 of 2829
12/15/07 at 2:40pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Oliver_A

Check here: h t t p : / / w w w . c a p s - a - h o l i c . c o m / v e r g l e i c h . p h p ? v e r g l e i c h I D = 1 7 1

Wow, check that last rollover -- they (Charles and team) fixed the TDK sign to match the other views of the TDK sign! (Added interior bulbs to the letters).
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post #2433 of 2829
12/15/07 at 4:36pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Wow!

I just picked the 2-disc DVD edition and... wow... it looks simply amazing! You did a great job Charlie!

I actually ordered the BD ultimate set from Amazon, which I am sure I'll get next week, but I saw the 2-disc DVD set at a local DVD shop today and I picked it up, I couldn't resist. I don't think Blade Runner has looked this good before, can't wait to see it in hi-def.

I have a question... is there a list anywhere of what changes were made in the Final Cut? Content-wise I mean? I ask because I only noticed the new Joanna Cassidy scene (it looks great!), but everything else seemed very similar to the DC version (not that I am complaining though!).

Thanks for any replies.
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post #2434 of 2829
12/15/07 at 5:07pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Out of curiosity, is the disc artwork the same across all three (2-, 4-, and 5-disc) releases?
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post #2435 of 2829
12/15/07 at 5:12pm

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Nope. DVDBeaver has a picture of the open 4-disc case which shows different artwork compared to what we've seen in the 5-disc press pictures. Don't know about the 2-disc though.
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post #2436 of 2829
12/15/07 at 7:24pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Yeah, the 2-disc has the new Drew Struzan artwork, the 4-disc version has the "classic" 1982 theatrical poster art, and the 5-disc has the unadorned "industrial steel" look, with only the title-logo on the front.
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post #2437 of 2829
12/15/07 at 8:14pm

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Yeah, the 2-disc edition I picked up has the new Drew Struzan artwork, which by the way is awesome. It's has this "metallic" look, which I am not crazy about but the artwork itself is great.

Here's Amazon's pic:

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...gL._SS500_.jpg
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post #2438 of 2829
12/15/07 at 8:46pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

When I said "disc artwork," I meant the image screened onto the DVD itself, not the image on the front of the packaging. As Kris points out, the discs shown in DVD Beaver's photograph of the 4-disc set differ from the images we've seen of those in the 5-disc set, so I guess the answer is indeed "no."

But the actual data contained on the discs is exactly the same, correct?
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post #2439 of 2829
12/16/07 at 6:07am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Oliver_A
Check here: http://www.caps-a-holic.com/vergleic...ergleichID=171

(for some reason, the forum software does not allow me to post links)
You haven't reached the minimum number of posts before links are allowed (a software feature to prevent spammers, I believe, but it does inconvenience new members.) So allow me to post it for you (wanted to check it out myself, and it was certainly worth it).
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post #2440 of 2829
12/16/07 at 7:51am

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Originally Posted by Oliver_A
And again: the theatrical/international/1992 DC cut seem to stem from the same source as the 2006 release since it has the same picture characteristics (sharpness, brightness, contrast, colour). Did you bother to read my post & check the link?

Actually Oliver, as I was on client site I had but a few free minutes and frankly none of them would be spent bringing up a website that I am unfamiliar with - particularly one that is typed.
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post #2441 of 2829
12/16/07 at 9:01am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

I thought someone here mentioned that a 5 DVD SD version, without the toys and briefcase, was going to a Best Buy exclusive. Is that still the case? It doesn't look like one is available.
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post #2442 of 2829
12/16/07 at 9:34am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Jon Martin
I thought someone here mentioned that a 5 DVD SD version, without the toys and briefcase, was going to a Best Buy exclusive. Is that still the case? It doesn't look like one is available.

Nope, that was incorrect, they are selling the 5 DVD SD version ONLY with the toys.

Since you brought it up, many of us have weighed in on our thoughts about the briefcase editions so we need not repeat ourselves too much. I'm on the record as not being a big 'piled higher and deeper' kinda guy, so I'm not the consumer for this kind of product to begin with. However, certainly the Producer's decision NOT to give most fans the workprint (as SD is by far the format of choice at this point) unless they buy the toys was a bad call.

Now, reports are coming in that the case and the stuff within are low quality/cheesy (DVDBeaver for one called it "gimmicky trinket nonsense") .
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post #2443 of 2829
12/16/07 at 10:27am

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Originally Posted by rich_d


Now, reports are coming in that the case and the stuff within are low quality/cheesy (DVDBeaver for one called it "gimmicky trinket nonsense") .

Seems like the main fan base would be a little old for toys, but never underestimate studio greed. Guess it's the Star Wars toys element in their minds. Hey, it's SciFi! Let's sell some plastic!
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post #2444 of 2829
12/16/07 at 10:55am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlp32vYUnA&NR=1

Jacob
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post #2445 of 2829
12/16/07 at 4:33pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Charlie, all I can say is thanks.
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post #2446 of 2829
12/16/07 at 9:54pm

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anyone seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWlp32vYUnA&NR=1

Jacob
That was interesting. I would love to know what they were saying. I did love the bit where he plays with the spinner, then put the unicorn on the desk, and the other guy pushes in Darth vader and Yoda. That made me laugh.
And his apparent interest in the hockey-mask dancers.
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post #2447 of 2829
12/17/07 at 2:16am

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Charlie, all I can say is thanks.
Ditto, and I must say I envy him a lot about being able to work on a personal life-time favourite like that.

But I don't think we're changing him short at all by expressing thanks to everyone involved in this great work of art. After all, a task like this can only be done by an enthusiastic group of talented people. So, to the whole Warner Bros. team responsible for this, let's say: GREAT WORK GUYS!

This really is one of those top-notch releases we only see now and then. I'm glad I'm getting it!


Cees
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post #2448 of 2829
12/17/07 at 7:01am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Jon Martin
I thought someone here mentioned that a 5 DVD SD version, without the toys and briefcase, was going to a Best Buy exclusive. Is that still the case? It doesn't look like one is available.
It isn't. Check The Digital Bits.
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post #2449 of 2829
12/17/07 at 8:27am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Believe it or not, I am one of the few people who have never seen this film. I've been holding off for years waiting for a proper presentation and it's finally here.

That said, I'm thoroughly confused as to which version I should start with. I'm tempted to go with the 1982 International cut. Then again, maybe I should just cut to the chase and watch the new "Final Cut".

Anybody care to convince me on which version to start with?
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post #2450 of 2829
12/17/07 at 8:39am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Eric,

Having watched the 1982 theatrical cut last week, and the Final Cut this weekend, I don't consider the differences (in content) to be that great. Most of the changes in the Final Cut really work well; except for one change in dialog which simply did not work for me involving an F word. Some of the errors from the original versions have been corrected in the Final Cut and I think it offers a more seamless film experience because of those changes.

I watched the 1982 cut first, but for someone who has never seen the film I would recommend the Final Cut first, and then the 1982 cut to experience the differences. On the other hand, the 1982 cut offers a limited voice over narrative that might explain the film a little better to someone new to this universe. (Flip a coin? )

- Walter.
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post #2451 of 2829
12/17/07 at 8:40am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Eric Peterson
Believe it or not, I am one of the few people who have never seen this film. I've been holding off for years waiting for a proper presentation and it's finally here.

That said, I'm thoroughly confused as to which version I should start with. I'm tempted to go with the 1982 International cut. Then again, maybe I should just cut to the chase and watch the new "Final Cut".

Anybody care to convince me on which version to start with?
If you want to pare it down to two, go with the Final Cut and the European Theatrical Cut. The US Theatrical Cut is basically just the European Cut minus a couple of bits of violence. The Director's Cut is a less thorough attempt at what was done with the Final Cut after a positive response to screenings of the Work Print. So if you want to start with the least censored version that was actually shown in theaters in 1982, go with the European Theatrical Cut first. If you want to get right to Ridley Scott's ultimate preferred cut, inclusive of a revised and sweetened sound mix and a digital re-grading of the film's color timing, go with the "Final Cut".

Regards,
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post #2452 of 2829
12/17/07 at 8:46am

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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
...Having watched the 1982 theatrical cut last week, and the Final Cut this weekend, I don't consider the differences (in content) to be that great. ...
Well, I think the voiceover, the extended ending, and the unicorn dream are pretty significant. Your subsequent point about the voiceover is a good one. There are some helpful bits of exposition for first time viewers. There are a lot of klunky/unneccesary bits of exposition as well, so it is a mixed blessing.

Regards,
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post #2453 of 2829
12/17/07 at 9:06am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Frank L
I have a question... is there a list anywhere of what changes were made in the Final Cut? Content-wise I mean? I ask because I only noticed the new Joanna Cassidy scene (it looks great!), but everything else seemed very similar to the DC version (not that I am complaining though!).
The three most elaborate alterations are:
  • The Joanna Cassidy/stuntwoman face replacment you mentioned.
  • A partial face replacement done using Harrison Ford's son, Ben, to fix the dialog sync problem with the scene where Deckard questions the snake maker.
  • The new background and night sky for the shot of the dove against the city skyline near the end of the film.
Beyond that, there are a lot of little details that will likely be noticed by the hardcore Blade Runner trainspotters, some of which have been mentioned in this thread.

Regards,
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post #2454 of 2829
12/17/07 at 9:24am

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Ken,

I was thinking strictly in terms of number of changes vs. impact of those changes. Your point regarding how those changes effect the interpretation of the film are more valid, especially for someone who is new to the film.

As a jaded Blade Runner viewer who has probably seen this film at least 75 times in the last quarter century, the changes all kind of wash over me.

- Walter.
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post #2455 of 2829
12/17/07 at 9:46am

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those of you who has never watched it, please let us know which cut you finally saw and what you think of it after you've experienced it =P.
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post #2456 of 2829
12/17/07 at 10:04am

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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
As a jaded Blade Runner viewer who has probably seen this film at least 75 times in the last quarter century, the changes all kind of wash over me.

Which I'm very happy to hear. The point of all the fixes was not to show-off and take you out of the film each time a new alteration came up. And even though there are probably hundreds of changes in picture, sound and visual effects throughout, I'm glad people are having a difficult time compiling accurate fix lists. There are probably only four or five people involved in the Final Cut restoration who could point out every single change, and I bet even they would miss something at this point. It will probably take months or even years before an outsider will be able to specifically identify everything.
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post #2457 of 2829
12/17/07 at 11:02am

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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
As a jaded Blade Runner viewer who has probably seen this film at least 75 times in the last quarter century, the changes all kind of wash over me.

... like tears in the rain.
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post #2458 of 2829
12/17/07 at 11:08am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Rich, nice one.

Watching the Final Cut this weekend, I was struck by how effective and affecting Batty's final dialog and Hauer's delivery remains after innumerable viewings.

- Walter.
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post #2459 of 2829
12/17/07 at 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Walter Kittel
Watching the Final Cut this weekend, I was struck by how effective and affecting Batty's final dialog and Hauer's delivery remains after innumerable viewings.

That's probably because Hauer delivers it in a shy, boyish manner. I can't imagine many actors who could pull this off.


Alex
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post #2460 of 2829
12/17/07 at 11:41am

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Originally Posted by Charles de Lauzirika
Which I'm very happy to hear. The point of all the fixes was not to show-off and take you out of the film each time a new alteration came up. And even though there are probably hundreds of changes in picture, sound and visual effects throughout, I'm glad people are having a difficult time compiling accurate fix lists. There are probably only four or five people involved in the Final Cut restoration who could point out every single change, and I bet even they would miss something at this point. It will probably take months or even years before an outsider will be able to specifically identify everything.

Of all the changes, the greatest improvement seems to be the smoother pacing.
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