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post #1921 of 2829
7/26/07 at 4:06pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

According to The Digital Bits:

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Simultaneous HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc versions (each $TBD) of the "Deckard Briefcase" will also be released in numbered, limited quantities. HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc 5-Disc Digi Packs with collectible slipcase (each $TBD) will include all of the UCE content. Order due date for all editions is November 13.

I guess this means that there will only be a 5 disc release of the two High-Def formats and not a HD DVD/BlueRay release of the 2 disc or 4 disc sets ?
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post #1922 of 2829
7/26/07 at 4:22pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

117 minutes would seem too short for a Final Cut
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post #1923 of 2829
7/26/07 at 6:25pm

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"So who's going to be in L.A. on opening night of the theatrical run?"

I'll be here. I'm hoping it'll play at the Chinese.
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post #1924 of 2829
7/26/07 at 7:47pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
117 minutes would seem too short for a Final Cut

Especially since the film is already 117 minutes long! Since the new disc runs 1:57:30, that means Ridley added less than 30 seconds to the new cut! That seems really odd, since he has insisted for the longest time that his ideal cut was far different from the other versions and the bonus discs boast "over 90 minutes" of deleted/extended scenes.

Still, the set sounds AWESOME. Sign me up for the five-disc set!
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post #1925 of 2829
7/26/07 at 7:52pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

That, of course is relying on the potentially erroneous assmption that the Final Cut does not substitute alternate takes or substantially alter the cut. Brian Helgeland's DC of Payback is 10 minutes shorter; the Uncut version of Saw runs shorter than the theatrical cut.
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post #1926 of 2829
7/26/07 at 8:30pm

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Originally Posted by Stephen_J_H
That, of course is relying on the potentially erroneous assmption that the Final Cut does not substitute alternate takes or substantially alter the cut.

The previous "director's cut" is the shortest of any cuts of Blade Runner. There is no reason to expect that the final cut will be significantly longer than any other cut -- consider that it is likely to have no narration, and the sequences in the '92 "director's cut" where the narration was previously are far too long and still cut to the beat of the removed narration.

Let's say we shave down those scenes and remove the happy ending from the theatrical cut -- we now have three or five minutes that we can add back in to get to the same running time.
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post #1927 of 2829
7/27/07 at 3:00am

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You know how “we” loath the happy ending of the Blade Runner? I was thinking about this and it’s not really that outrageous or bad as an idea. I’ve never seen it in the actual movie but it could work like THX. It just shows the contrast between the dark world inside and the bright outside world. The world where you are supposed to live in, in contrast to the real world that exists outside. It's a classic SF theme. I can’t wait to see the original cut of the movie for the first time!
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post #1928 of 2829
7/27/07 at 4:50am

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The list of configurations and box sets looks great. No doubt Warner has another winner on their hands. Do you think the other studios are constantly embarrassed by their offerings compared to Warner's? I mean, if Warner's getting A+'s in DVD releases, Fox is maybe getting Bs, Paramount's getting Ds, and Universal is flunking out!
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post #1929 of 2829
7/27/07 at 5:13am

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I, too, wish you could get the 5th disc without having to buy the briefcase, but other than that...........

YAY!!!!!!!!

Seriously, on the whole, this is FANTASTIC. Can't wait.
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post #1930 of 2829
7/27/07 at 6:06am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Amazon has the 5 disc Collectors Edition on presale for $54.99

http://www.amazon.com/Blade-Runner-F...5541512&sr=8-3
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post #1931 of 2829
7/27/07 at 7:17am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
117 minutes would seem too short for a Final Cut

I'm not much of a Blade Runner buff, but I also remember Scott saying that he shortened a number of FX shots and quickened the pace slightly for his Alien: Director's Cut. Not sure if that's what he's done here, but it would help to explain why we're not seeing a lot of time added overall.
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post #1932 of 2829
7/27/07 at 9:11am

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Originally Posted by Randy Torres
Amazon has the 5 disc Collectors Edition on presale for $54.99

http://www.amazon.com/Blade-Runner-F...5541512&sr=8-3

Does Amazon honor that price if you order now but they raise the price later?

Update: It looks like they usually honor the lowest price that is present between when you order and when it actually becomes available. I've ordered it. I suppose DeepDiscount may get it for less or the same, but, I've ordered.

And it's already Amazon.com Sales Rank: #31 in DVD
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post #1933 of 2829
7/27/07 at 10:03am

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Originally Posted by Will_B
Does Amazon honor that price if you order now but they raise the price later?

Update: It looks like they usually honor the lowest price that is present between when you order and when it actually becomes available. I've ordered it. I suppose DeepDiscount may get it for less or the same, but, I've ordered.

And it's already Amazon.com Sales Rank: #31 in DVD

And it's now #4
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post #1934 of 2829
7/27/07 at 12:51pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Amazing looking set for one of my all-time favorite films. I very eagerly pre-ordered it at Amazon. A three-and-a-half hour long documentary? 45 minutes of deleted scenes? This has surpassed my expectations, which were already very high. I have to admit that although I don't know what I'm going to do with the bulky briefcase packaging, I've always wanted a toy Spinner, so...

As for the quality of the workprint, it's been years since I've seen it, but my recollection matches those who have posted before. Finished special effects, temp music track with some queues recognizable from other films, an alternate opening credits sequence, different shots (like those kabuki-looking semi-nude dancers shown in the Final Cut trailer and in the Future Noir book), etc. I haven't been this excited about a DVD...well, ever.
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post #1935 of 2829
7/27/07 at 5:30pm

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Originally Posted by Randy Torres
Amazon has the 5 disc Collectors Edition on presale for $54.99

Thank you! I'm not one to own elaborate dvd sets but that workprint disc is too enticing to pass up.
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post #1936 of 2829
7/28/07 at 10:57am

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some clips from blade runner and preview of the documentary with cast and crew.

Jacob


http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/180003...qsRflsq8tfVXcA
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post #1937 of 2829
7/28/07 at 1:59pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by mike kaminski
As for the workprint, it literally is a workprint, a work-in-porgress--the splices are raw, so there is a jump whenever there is a cut, the audio was a bit "hot" in some shots, there is temp music, the editing is less refined and it includes lots of little extra bits and typical lingering long shots that early cuts are guilty of, and it includes only one voice-over, which i believe is a unique recording in that it was the original VO Ford did which was then re-recorded for the theatrical cut. The version originally screened in 1990/1991 I believe was from a 70mm blow-up (ie 35mm o-neg> 70mmworkprint> 35mmscreener); the digital bits says its "remastered" so maybe they have gone back to the source and gotten a cleaner version--i actually hope they haven't tidied up all the splices and technical flaws, that's sort of part of the appeal of watching a work-in-progress version.

I saw the so-called "workprint" in 70mm at the Cinerama Dome in LA several years back, and don't recall any "raw splices." My immediate reaction was that this was certainly not a workprint in the traditional sense (a one-light print used for cutting and splicing and for projection during the editing process.)

But it was the strangest version of Blade Runner I'd ever seen. I hope the temp music remains on the DVD.
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post #1938 of 2829
7/28/07 at 2:36pm

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Re: the running time, I wouldn't be surprised if Scott tightened up some of the shots that lingered on Decker in the 1982 cuts in order to accommodate the voice-over. Some of those scenes seemed a bit too fat when the voice-over was removed in 1992, it wouldn't surprise me if they were tinkered with a bit in order to make them work better sans voice-over.

Vincent
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post #1939 of 2829
7/28/07 at 2:48pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by TheBat
some clips from blade runner and preview of the documentary with cast and crew.

Jacob


http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/180003...qsRflsq8tfVXcA

Not just clips of BLADE RUNNER, but clips of BLADE RUNNER: THE FINAL CUT, including the new version of Deckard's unicorn vision!

Vincent
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post #1940 of 2829
7/28/07 at 4:21pm

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
Not just clips of BLADE RUNNER, but clips of BLADE RUNNER: THE FINAL CUT, including the new version of Deckard's unicorn vision!

Vincent

Interesting clip of a Gaff scene there! Never seen it myself
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post #1941 of 2829
7/28/07 at 4:23pm

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Is it just me, or does the Zhora scene look very different? Seems to be a lot of new angles but then again my memory may be failing me.
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post #1942 of 2829
7/28/07 at 4:34pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Edward Schatz
Is it just me, or does the Zhora scene look very different? Seems to be a lot of new angles but then again my memory may be failing me.

Yep - New Stuff

If it looks this good on yahoo, imagine the BD in 1080
New gun shot foley - nice
Definition and color on the unicorn
Waking Dream
Notice the docu ratio looked like 2:40
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post #1943 of 2829
7/28/07 at 6:11pm

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OMG! dream upon dream! Our cups runneth over this fall.
I will forgive that they still havent fixed Zhoras boots from heeled to flats during the shower/chase/death scene
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post #1944 of 2829
7/28/07 at 6:42pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
Re: the running time, I wouldn't be surprised if Scott tightened up some of the shots that lingered on Decker in the 1982 cuts in order to accommodate the voice-over. Some of those scenes seemed a bit too fat when the voice-over was removed in 1992, it wouldn't surprise me if they were tinkered with a bit in order to make them work better sans voice-over.

Vincent

Well the thing is the film was not edited with voice-over in mind, nothing was changed (ie shots extended or whatnot) when a voice track was put in, so the current directors cut is actually how the film was designed to flow editorially--but given that Scott did this with Alien I suppose it is possible; i hope he leaves it alone however.

The info on the workprint I got from Future Noir; the print was not any kind of polished version, it literally was a 70mm blowup made for preview audiences in 1982. According to Paul Sammon the splices were still a bit off in that it the regard that I mentioned; I never saw it so I have no idea.
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post #1945 of 2829
7/28/07 at 7:03pm

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Man, these Blade Runner sets look incredible!

I have 3 questions. First off, does the international cut of the film contain all of Harrison Ford's narration and the original happy ending from the original U.S. theatrical version?

Secondly, some of the details released about this new Blade Runner set mention the restoration that was done and new 4k transfer and new DD 5.1 soundtrack for the new "final cut". Do these same things apply to all other versions of the movie? I assume all cuts of the movie will benefit equally from the restoration and 4k scan and new transfer and will look as good as the new "final cut", but what about the DD 5.1 soundtracks on the 3 earlier cuts? Have the DD 5.1 soundtracks for those cuts been tweaked or adjusted, or are they using the previous DVD Director's Cut DD 5.1 soundtrack (with slight additions, obviously, to account for the original theatrical and international cut differences)?

Thirdly, is that gorgeous DVD 4 disk collector's edition cover artwork included in the 5 disk briefcase set? I mean is the same cover art used on the 5 disk box that comes inside that briefcase to hold the 5 DVD's, or do we lose that because they use other packaging for the DVD disks inside the briefcase set? It would be a shame to have to give that up if you get the briefcase set, because that original Blade Runner artwork on that 4 disk DVD collector's edition cover is just fantastic looking.

Thanks for any info.!
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post #1946 of 2829
7/28/07 at 8:36pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

Lee-c,

To answer your first question, yes, the international cut features the narration and happy ending. The only difference between the U.S. theatrical cut and the international cut are a few added seconds of violence in a few scenes.
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post #1947 of 2829
7/28/07 at 9:08pm

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Are you 100% sure? I haven't seen the workprint cut, but I recall back when it first surfaced in the early 1990s, there were some pieces written about it in the Perfect Vision, and one comment made was that shots that lingered in the theatrical cut in order to accommodate voice-over were tightened up in the voice-over free WP. IMO, some shots definitely look padded in the 1992 DC- for example, the film's first close-up of Deckard sitting on the streets before he walks across to the sushi stand. That close-up seems to linger forever in the D.C. without the voice-over- of course, in the 1982 edits, Deckard has several lines of voice-over there ("They don't advertise for killers in the newspaper...").

I admit I could be wrong, but some of the 1992 DC definitely seems to be "padded" with the removal of the voice-over, and it seemed to me at the time that some of those shots were probably lengthened in the final editing to make the voice-over fit back in 1982.

Vincent

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Originally Posted by mike kaminski
Well the thing is the film was not edited with voice-over in mind, nothing was changed (ie shots extended or whatnot) when a voice track was put in, so the current directors cut is actually how the film was designed to flow editorially...
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post #1948 of 2829
7/28/07 at 9:31pm

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

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Originally Posted by Vincent_P
Are you 100% sure? I haven't seen the workprint cut, but I recall back when it first surfaced in the early 1990s, there were some pieces written about it in the Perfect Vision, and one comment made was that shots that lingered in the theatrical cut in order to accommodate voice-over were tightened up in the voice-over free WP. IMO, some shots definitely look padded in the 1992 DC- for example, the film's first close-up of Deckard sitting on the streets before he walks across to the sushi stand. That close-up seems to linger forever in the D.C. without the voice-over- of course, in the 1982 edits, Deckard has several lines of voice-over there ("They don't advertise for killers in the newspaper...").

I admit I could be wrong, but some of the 1992 DC definitely seems to be "padded" with the removal of the voice-over, and it seemed to me at the time that some of those shots were probably lengthened in the final editing to make the voice-over fit back in 1982.

Vincent

The workprint did have more shots and such and was subsequently tightened up for the theatrical cut (ie the workprint i believe has an additional close-up of Deckard's plate in his first scene), but as far as I know there was no editing made to accomdate the VO. They always knew they would add VO in the film somewhere but they deliberately left it out of the script and edited the film without the VO in mind so that the voice-over would fit the picture and not the other way around; at least I believe this is what Terry Rawlings says in Paul Sammon's Future Noir IIRC. Personally I don't find the DC to be draggy--I like the drawn out atmosphere of just watching the world.
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post #1949 of 2829
7/29/07 at 10:17am

Re: The official BLADE RUNNER SE thread. (Check out page 8 and #790.)

If anyone has an xbox 360 with xbox live, They have the full panel discussion available for Blade Runner from Comicon, with Charlie, Ridley Scott, Larry Paul, Sid Mead, James Han, Joe Turkel, Joanna Cassidy, Sean Young and others. It runs 44 minutes. Very good stuff.
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post #1950 of 2829
7/29/07 at 10:32am

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thanks.. its in the movie section and its free.

Jacob
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