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110 wpc VS. 85 wpc. Here are the results

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Ok, with possibly trusty Radio Shack Sound Level meter in hand. Let's find out which is more powerful.

Gear tested:
Pioneer VSX-32 receiver
Parasound HCA-855a amp
1 pair Vandersteen 2Ce speakers
1 M&K THX-750 center
2 M&K THX-750LR as rear speakers
1 M&K V-75II powered sub

Pioneer VSX-32 Elite receiver rated at 110x7 according to the spec sheet. In this case, it was connected to 5 speakers, the front two being bi-amped, so all 7 channels in use. Listening to a few music videos on BluRay, I started bringing up the volume until signs of strain or distortion started to come through.

As the volume climbed I moved the meterl to the 120db setting on the dial and as the Pioneer display crossed over into the positive numbers, sounds level stopped climbing, bouncing slightly below the +/-0 mark on the analog meter, indicating 120db SPL. Sound was slightly strained at a +1.5db on the Pioneer display, but no audible distortion. As I pushed slightly higher, sound level did not increase but sound quality decreased. So we were holding in the 116 to 120 db range, no problems.

Ok, let's move the speakers to the Parasound HCA-855a. So now were using 5 channels to drive the front three speakers, the Vandersteens still bi amped. Rear 2 speakers still driving by the Pioneer.

This time I move quickly to the 0db mark on the Pioneer, which is now acting mainly as a Processor. The Radio Shack meter is bouncing between 117 and 121 db. As I move the volume higher, my ears confirm that SPL is climbing, and sound is clean and clear. At +8.5 on the Pioneer, the meter is moving between 122 and 125 db, and things are beginning to sounds a little compressed, strained. But still no sign of distortion, or anything being over driven. My ears were telling me that if we push any higher, ear plugs would be needed, so that's as far as I went.

One note that the meter does not show. With the external amp, sound quality is fuller, bass is tighter, vocals, especially male vocals are more lifelike.

So based on the SPL readings, the Parasound HCS_855a may be nearly 4 times more powerful then the amps inside the Pioneer VSX-32 considering a 5db greater volume and perhaps a little more.


I used the "I Feel Love" track from the Blue Man Group, Complex Rock Tour Live for testing.



Jon
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Not surprising... wpc really have little bearing... it is the power supply and generated amperage that count.  The ratings given in AVR wpc are usually misleading.

 

I was going to get the Parasound Halo A21, hooked to my Denon 4311CI, to drive my mains as the sound I get from music is not quite what I am looking for (movies are fine).  But that amp is a beast and I will have trouble fittng it in my rack.  I found out about Wyred4Sound's ST500 (with upgrades) stereo amp which has a much smaller footprint, generates less heat, is at least on par if not better than the A21, and is less expensive.  That got Absolute Sound's product of the year for 2011.  Once that is hooked up, the power supply of the AVR can power the surrounds and center.

 

I had a thread earlier about this asking for opinions, but as usual, with my thread's, it got unanswered.


Edited by Gary Seven - 2/15/12 at 8:45am
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Yes, power ratings are vague at best. One factor that I suspect is fairly major is the "bi-amping" you used. First, the real world gain doing that is minimal. Probably 10-15%. Explaining that is more than I want to type out on the iPad, and people rarely belive me anyway. Another part of that is the significantly different power supply design of a receiver and an external amp. Basically, with the external amp, you get tru bi-amping, but not with the receiver. In fact, I suspect doing that with a receiver actually reduces the potential power output. In any case, I think you found the real difference. The Parasound sounded better, in additionto providing more power.
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I have seen very few receivers, even flagship ones, that will compete with a decent external amp; period. An external amp dedicates all of its real estate to doing one thing: amplification as opposed to what the receiver has to do. A hefty power supply also makes a big difference as mentioned, and the power supply in most receivers are not in the hefty category.

Note too that whether or not you hear the distortion occurring, it is happening, so a test like this is running the risk of damaging your speakers very quickly.
post #5 of 5
Agreement on the damage risk. What usually happens is the voice coils in the tweeters are damaged, but they don't give out and it doesn't become audible until later.
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