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A few words about...™ Wings -- in Blu-ray

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Wings, the Academy Award winning Outstanding Picture for 1927, hasn't looked really good in decades.  I've actually never seen a quality print.

 

After bringing together and examine the extant elements in a cooperative venture, it was decided that a duplicate negative was the best starting point.  Enter digital technology, and a great many dedicated souls, who have brought the film, literally, back to life.

 

Viewing Wings today, more than a couple of decades after its release, those who go in with in open mind, will find that the William Wellman film will hold its own against anything from 2011.

 

Just without spoken dialogue.

 

From an element that wore its years as a badge of courage, scratches, cinch marks, detritus and damage have been removed, and from the labors of all involved has emerged a phoenix.

 

For most viewers, a film about The Great War, aka, WWI, will bring to mind productions such as Sergeant York, Paths of Glory and The Dawn Patrol.

 

Go back a bit further however, and you'll find the wonders of The Big Parade (please, WB), All Quiet on the Western Front (coming from Universal, Hell's Angels, Renoir's Grand Illusion and the cause for this discussion Paramount's Wings.

 

This Wings, as restored by Paramount and The Academy Film Archive, with sound effects from Academy Award winner Ben Burtt (Star Ward, E.T., Indiana Jones) in a true work of love, and with technical functions via Technicolor, has created an amazing image.  As there is no easily attainable reference, precisely what the original looked like, and how far that image may have changed because of the necessity to eliminate scratches, is not an easy question.  Grain may have been removed, image softened, grain replaced.  There are many ways around the problem.  But regardless, as much of this is critical care, the resultant image is pleasing to the eye, and if not a clone of the original, a very viable representation.  Scratches are the work of the devil.  For future silent restorative efforts, many will not be lucky enough to begin with even the most ragged of Wings elements.  Some may begin at a higher level.  M-G-M's The Big Parade, based upon the original camera negative would be the perfect silent to come next.

 

The bottom line is that as the first restoration to hit Blu-ray in 2012, Wings is the one to beat, at least for the era of the late 1920s.

 

The archival hat is off to Paramount's Wings on Blu-ray, and it could not be held higher.

 

This is one of the greatest films of all time, and it demands to be seen.

 

Want to know precisely what is "the stuff that dreams are made of?"  This is it.

 

No serious collection will be complete without a copy.

 

Very Highly Recommended.

 

Neglected to mention, I love what they've done with the Paramount Logo.

 

RAH

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This will be the release of the year for me. I've already got friends and relatives on the "gift list" for this one. The amazing success that can be had with pretty ragged elements is also on display in the soon-to-be released LOVES OF A PHARAOH , a once thought lost Ernst Lubitsch epic from 1922 which had been fully restored by Alpha-Omega Digital GmbH in Germany. They re-created this film from several sources, some so damaged that not even the perfs remained. The resulting BD will be a joy to behold. I attended the American premiere in Los Angeles recently and it was a magnificent restoration. The BD will feature the original score written by Eduard Künneke re-recorded with a full orchestra. These are the things that can be done. I look forward to this and WINGS and can only hope that, as Mr. Harris states, WB begins releasing some of their treasures. They already have a Brownlow restoration of FOUR HORSEMEN OF THE APOCALYPSE in the vaults with a gorgeous score written by Carl Davis. How about THE BIG PARADE, THE WIND and THE CROWD? But, it will be such a thrill to be able to own WINGS that I really can't complain about what we don't have (yet).
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I've had it pre-ordered for weeks. It showed up in my Amazon Gold Box one morning, and that's when I bought it. I did see it many years ago, but from what Robert has described, this Blu-ray viewing may be like seeing it for the first time.

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Can't wait to see screencaps!
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They re-created this film from several sources, some so damaged that not even the perfs remained. 


Perfs?

 

We don't need no stinking perfs...

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I'd always heard about it, but all I know is what I've read above.  It's in my cart.

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... more than a couple of decades after its release ...

Maybe you meant something else? Certainly a couple of decades have gone by but...

I'm very impressed by Paramount's efforts with this title (and their previous blu-ray releases) and I can only hope we'll get more releases like this by every studio.
(Just more old movies in general please).
Edited by jaaguir - 1/18/12 at 6:43am
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Harris may have used "a couple of decades old" to refer to the average green movie-goer that assumes that most films over two decades old can't hold their own against modern 2011 films.

I spoiled myself on Wings by watching the VHS release, not sure if would get a new home video release in the foreseeable future. Look forward to this release very much, as the tape I watched did not do the aerial scenes justice.
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Note that RAH stated "...more than a couple of decades after its release...", not "...a couple of decades after its release..."

His statement is accurate. The film is more than a couple of decades old. I believe he was making a purposeful understatement.
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Note that RAH stated "...more than a couple of decades after its release...", not "...a couple of decades after its release..."
His statement is accurate. The film is more than a couple of decades old. I believe he was making a purposeful understatement.


Thank you.

 

I've always found the passage of time, and resultant technological changes along the way, of great interest, especially when viewed from a certain perspective.

 

That perspective, for a film such as Wings might best be viewed by placing the film at a mid-point in time.

 

The film was produced 85 years ago.

 

Go back 85 years from Wings, and one finds themselves in 1842.

 

Our nation was 66 years old.  

 

John Tyler, our 10th President, was in the White House.

 

Lincoln was 33 years old.

 

Andrew Jackson and James Monroe were still alive.

 

The Union had 26 states.

 

There was little need to "Remember The Alamo" as it had only occurred six years previous, and as very recent history was still on people's minds.

 

And very few people had an iPhone or iPad.

 

RAH

 

 

post #11 of 69

Bravo!

 

My copy is on its way to me.  I paid extra to get it via Pony Express.

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My copy is on its way too. I'm going to have a Best Picture Month at my house in February. I am going to pair Wings with The King's Speech (first and last Oscar winners.)

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Go back 85 years from Wings, and one finds themselves in 1842...

And very few people had an iPhone or iPad.

416
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And he was using it to kill vampires...

 

Yes, there's an app for that!

 

But be aware, that this image is a fake.

 

History has it that Lincoln did not make a move toward facial hair until 1860, and this is a later incarnation of that growth.

 

What does this prove?

 

That while there may have been an iPhone in 1860-61, it is doubtful that even this early model (not a 4 or 4s) would have been around

in 1842.

 

RAH

 

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But be aware, that this image is a fake.

 

History has it that Lincoln did not make a move toward facial hair until 1860, and this is a later incarnation of that growth.

 

What does this prove?

 

That while there may have been an iPhone in 1860-61, it is doubtful that even this early model (not a 4 or 4s) would have been around

in 1842.

 

RAH


 

Yeah.  That was just plain silly.  Obviously iPhones weren't invented during Lincoln's lifetime.  Get real...  rolleyes.gif

 

 

 

 

young lincoln with old cell phone.jpg

 

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"Hello?... Uh... Hello J- uh hello Jefferson? Listen uh uh I can't hear too well. Do you suppose you could turn the music down just a little?... Oh-ho, that's much better... yeah... huh... yes... Fine, I can hear you now, Jefferson... Clear and plain and coming through fine... I'm coming through fine, too, eh?... Good, then... well, then, as you say, we're both coming through fine... Good... Well, it's good that you're fine and... and I'm fine... I agree with you, it's great to be fine..."
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Also, re Grant:  "Find out what he drinks, and send a case to the other generals."

 

Don't quote me, but I think Verizon has these earliest transcripts in their archives.

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Now this is turning into an interesting thread.

 

There's something to be said for the quality of humor (humour for Mr. Hodson) on HTF.

 

RAH

 

 

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Here are some images and video.  Please note that these are NOT screen caps:

 

Restoring Wings:

 

Special Feature Excerpt: Dogfight

 

Images (click for larger)

Wings1927_Still_PK_0002.jpg

 

Wings1927_Still_PK_0004.jpg

 

Wings1927_Still_PK_618-498.jpg

 

Wings1927_Still_PK_618-517.jpg

 

Wings1927_Still_PK_618-547.jpg

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What else can I say except that I hope the Blu-ray of Wings is a best-seller for Paramount. Not only that, but the fact that this is a serious attempt by a major studio to preserve those silent films worthy of restoration. Another point I wish to make regards their noteworthy decision to re-record the original music score by John Stephan Zamecnik, rather using some feeble excuse to commission a non-original score by some contemporary composer (ie. Carl Davis). It would, for example, have been nice to have heard Gance's Napoleon with the original/compiled Honegger score. Ditto, other silent films screened by BFI.
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What else can I say except that I hope the Blu-ray of Wings is a best-seller for Paramount. Not only that, but the fact that this is a serious attempt by a major studio to preserve those silent films worthy of restoration. Another point I wish to make regards their noteworthy decision to re-record the original music score by John Stephan Zamecnik, rather using some feeble excuse to commission a non-original score by some contemporary composer (ie. Carl Davis). It would, for example, have been nice to have heard Gance's Napoleon with the original/compiled Honegger score. Ditto, other silent films screened by BFI.


 

There WAS NO original Honegger score for Napoleon.  Honegger wrote was about 25 minutes of material, which was then used interspersed with classics.

His various motifs survive.

 

That's it.

 

I've a feeling that you're going to be swimming upstream referring to Mr. Davis' score as "feeble."

 

His score is brilliant.

 

The scores by Mr. Davis and Mr. Coppola both work beautifully with the film, and in differing ways.

 

If you are the John Lasher who has been working with the Kinopanorama gear, my hat is off to you, but in this case...

 

RAH

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I have had Wings on pre-order almost since it was announced. I am anxiously awaiting its arrival.

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Win one of three copies of Wings on Blu-ray! To enter just send an email to contest 'at' hometheaterforum.com with Wings in the subject line. Include your HTF member name along with actual name and address in the email. Contest closes at 11:59 PM PT on Friday 1/27. Winners must be able to provide a US or Canadian shipping address, be a HTF member in good standing and over 18. Good luck!

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I have a question for Wings film buffs ...

I had always heard that with the original presentation of this movie (in Hollywood presumably) , they tried a very early quasi-Cinerama process for the battle scenes at the end of the first part, and then again in the second part. Three angles of film projected side-by-side for a widescreen feel.

This is how I heard it worked: when the big dogfight in the sky occurs, right before intermission (did they put an intermission on this release?), the curtains in the theatre were pulled back wide to reveal the right/left screens projected simultaneously (like Cinerama), making the image widescreen. At the end of the first part, the curtains closed again. When the second part started (after intermission), the screen had reverted back to standard 35mm (1.37:1 ratio). Then at some point in the second half, it widened again to the "widescreen" battles.

Does anyone have any more/better info on this? Was any attempt made to locate the right/left footage used in the widescreen dogfights?

Thanks in advance for any input or clarifications.
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Another point I wish to make regards their noteworthy decision to re-record the original music score by John Stephan Zamecnik, rather using some feeble excuse to commission a non-original score by some contemporary composer (ie. Carl Davis). It would, for example, have been nice to have heard Gance's Napoleon with the original/compiled Honegger score. Ditto, other silent films screened by BFI.


 

I agree completely. Modern movie scores on silent films never work. I'm looking at "City Girl" in that Murnau/Borzage boxset. Murnau's Sunrise has an amazing original score on the DVD that really helps to make the movie something special. The new score added to City Girl sounds gimmicky and just doesn't work in comparison.

 

Can't wait for my copy of Wings to arrive. I've never seen it and have been waiting for release.

 

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I have a question for Wings film buffs ...
I had always heard that with the original presentation of this movie (in Hollywood presumably) , they tried a very early quasi-Cinerama process for the battle scenes at the end of the first part, and then again in the second part. Three angles of film projected side-by-side for a widescreen feel.
This is how I heard it worked: when the big dogfight in the sky occurs, right before intermission (did they put an intermission on this release?), the curtains in the theatre were pulled back wide to reveal the right/left screens projected simultaneously (like Cinerama), making the image widescreen. At the end of the first part, the curtains closed again. When the second part started (after intermission), the screen had reverted back to standard 35mm (1.37:1 ratio). Then at some point in the second half, it widened again to the "widescreen" battles.
Does anyone have any more/better info on this? Was any attempt made to locate the right/left footage used in the widescreen dogfights?
Thanks in advance for any input or clarifications.


I believe you may be referring to the Magnascope process, used in a number of early productions, and later, among others, in Selznick's Portrait of Jennie for the storm sequence.

 

Occurring at a changeover, curtains would open, and image size would expand via a shorter focal length projection lens.

 

RAH

 

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(sigh) I was hoping Mr. Harris was commenting on a favorite '90s sitcom I enjoyed during college.

 

Wings

 

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(sigh) I was hoping Mr. Harris was commenting on a favorite '90s sitcom I enjoyed during college.

 

Wings

 



You should know better.

 

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I believe you may be referring to the Magnascope process, used in a number of early productions, and later, among others, in Selznick's Portrait of Jennie for the storm sequence.

 

Occurring at a changeover, curtains would open, and image size would expand via a shorter focal length projection lens.

 

RAH

 


Paramount utilized Magnascope on THE THUNDERING HERD (1925) and with OLD IRONSIDES (1926).  I have read that it was quite popular in the late 20's with westerns and war films, especially when the theatre distributors would Roadshow their silent epics.  Thanks for reminding me of this effect. 

 

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I believe you may be referring to the Magnascope process, used in a number of early productions, and later, among others, in Selznick's Portrait of Jennie for the storm sequence.

Occurring at a changeover, curtains would open, and image size would expand via a shorter focal length projection lens.

RAH


Paramount utilized Magnascope on THE THUNDERING HERD (1925) and with OLD IRONSIDES (1926).  I have read that it was quite popular in the late 20's with westerns and war films, especially when the theatre distributors would Roadshow their silent epics.  Thanks for reminding me of this effect. 

This reminds me of a post I wrote on the Ben-Hur thread. Turner's VHS edition was in pan and scan until the march of the chariots into the arena, at which point the P&S camera(?) pulled back slowly to reveal the arena in all its wide-screen glory. Best effect I've ever seen, so it must have been stunning for Wing's audiences.
I have the DVD, but look forward to the Blu (while champing at the bit for a BD of The Blue Max)..
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