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Jerry Lewis' The Jazz Singer TV special up for pre-order on Amazon

post #1 of 16
12/18/11 at 7:36am
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It's the color version from Jerry's personal collection. I have a bootleg copy of the B&W kinescope so I'll be happy to upgrade. Release date is February 7. It contains both the restored color version and the B&W kinescope.

http://www.amazon.com/Jerry-Lewis-Jazz-Singer/dp/B0067YF04Y/ref=sr_1_7?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1324222180&sr=1-7
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post #2 of 16
12/19/11 at 12:01am
Now the question is - is the color version a color VT restored, or a color kinescope which NBC was known to do.
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post #3 of 16
12/19/11 at 3:14am
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Now the question is - is the color version a color VT restored, or a color kinescope which NBC was known to do.

From the description on amazon.com:

Included are the B&W original kinescope broadcast and an extremely rare, primitive video recording, one of the earliest surviving examples of a color television broadcast.
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post #4 of 16
12/19/11 at 9:34am
I don't know about "primitive". Those Shirley Temple shows came out from early color 2-inch and they looked phenomenal. That early color I thought was gorgeous. Too bad NBC was so damn cheap and saved so little of it. Amazing to me how a network could spend a hundred grand or more on producing a show and then look to save $300 by erasing the tape. Makes no sense.
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post #5 of 16
12/19/11 at 9:59am
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I have to guess that the only reason it was saved was Jerry Lewis himself. It may have been in his contract to recieve a color copy of the show. One of the few "Hullabalo" episodes saved in color happend to be one he co-hosted with his son Gary.
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post #6 of 16
12/20/11 at 9:48am
We all know what NBC really stands for - No Broadcaster Cheaper
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post #7 of 16
12/20/11 at 9:56am
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We all know what NBC really stands for - No Broadcaster Cheaper

Or "Nothing But Crap".

BTW, I see that once again, they're trying to piss on good-old fashioned videotape by calling it "primitive".
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post #8 of 16
12/20/11 at 10:23am
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It goes back to General Sarnoff, who regarded NBC and RCA being in the communications industry and not the broadcast industry. It never occured to him (and his aides and flunkies didn't dare correct him) that there was historical and/or financial value in a tape library.
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post #9 of 16
12/20/11 at 1:10pm
They did baseball, including the World Series for decades and other than the last 2 games of the 1952 series, nothing got saved by them on tape or kine until the last 3 games of 1969. The first WS that exists in its entirety in color is not until 1976 when ABC did the series. The full series from '65, '68, first 2 games of '69 and '70 all exist thanks to them being saved in Canada, not in the U.S. And here's the kicker. Reason why almost everything on tape was tossed or reused. It cost a whopping quarter a month per tape to store them. Multi-billion dollar TV network didn't want to spend $3 a year on each tape. If they kept 100,000 tapes, it would cost them $300K a year. Sounds like a lot but that's less than a third of what they spent on one episode of Supertrain!
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post #10 of 16
12/21/11 at 3:15pm
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Reason why almost everything on tape was tossed or reused. It cost a whopping quarter a month per tape to store them. Multi-billion dollar TV network didn't want to spend $3 a year on each tape. If they kept 100,000 tapes, it would cost them $300K a year. Sounds like a lot but that's less than a third of what they spent on one episode of Supertrain!

Don't forget the savings by reusing video tape.smile.gif
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post #11 of 16
12/21/11 at 5:23pm
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The first WS that exists in its entirety in color is not until 1976 when ABC did the series. The full series from '65, '68, first 2 games of '69 and '70 all exist thanks to them being saved in Canada, not in the U.S.!

True for the most part, but actually the complete 1975 World Series done by NBC exists and the 76 WS was done by NBC as well with ABC doing it's first WS in 1977.

For 1971, only Games 1-2-6-7 are complete with Games 3-4-5 only in partial form.
For 1972, only Game 4 is totally complete, with mostly intact Games 2 and 5 and just fragmentary stuff for Games 1-3-6. Nothing of Game 7
For 1973, only Game 1 is totally complete, with the other games existing only in part to one degree or another (there was nothing of Game 6 until recently when a half hour of material from home taper's "Cartridgevision" recording surfaced)
For 1974, Games 1-4 are complete but Game 5 is only the 3rd to 8th innings.

Also there are partials of other games that have surfaced for the 1955, 1956, 1957 and 1961 WS along with the complete Game 7 of the 1960 WS which was found in Bing Crosby's cellar. Don Larsen's perfect game is almost intact save for the first two innings.
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post #12 of 16
12/24/11 at 7:37pm
Official Promo- in color - up on YouTube

http://youtu.be/AwrehozvkC4
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post #13 of 16
12/26/11 at 8:53pm
Doesn't look very "primitive" to me.
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post #14 of 16
12/26/11 at 8:55pm
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True for the most part, but actually the complete 1975 World Series done by NBC exists and the 76 WS was done by NBC as well with ABC doing it's first WS in 1977.
For 1971, only Games 1-2-6-7 are complete with Games 3-4-5 only in partial form.
For 1972, only Game 4 is totally complete, with mostly intact Games 2 and 5 and just fragmentary stuff for Games 1-3-6. Nothing of Game 7
For 1973, only Game 1 is totally complete, with the other games existing only in part to one degree or another (there was nothing of Game 6 until recently when a half hour of material from home taper's "Cartridgevision" recording surfaced)
For 1974, Games 1-4 are complete but Game 5 is only the 3rd to 8th innings.
Also there are partials of other games that have surfaced for the 1955, 1956, 1957 and 1961 WS along with the complete Game 7 of the 1960 WS which was found in Bing Crosby's cellar. Don Larsen's perfect game is almost intact save for the first two innings.

I could be wrong but I thought there were a few innings missing on 1975.

Didn't know my cartrivision (not cartridgevision) was making the rounds already. Only gave it to one person.
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post #15 of 16
12/27/11 at 6:51am
Funny how you guys brought up the cartrivision. I remember seeing it being demonstrated on an episode of What's My Line? with Larry Blyden, and I think people using it at home is the reason a few of the early episodes of the current version of The New Price is Right (including the premiere that Bob Barker has so arrogantly gone out of his way to make sure never airs in full again) circulate among collectors W/O/C (With Original Commercials, for those of you who don't know that acronym).
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post #16 of 16
12/27/11 at 9:53am
No, those early TPIR episodes are the copies from the Goodson vault that some people were able to get hold of.
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