John, no problem on changes. Last year it went well past the Oscars. About mid-year is when we try to have everyone wrapped up, having given them time to catch stuff on DVD that they missed but still recent enough to 2001 to be in touch with their recent feelings.
One thing about those "average rank" numbers is that besides pointing out films that haven't been seen as much, it also indicates "polarizers", films that when they make a list are high on the list, but many other people don't put them on their top 10 at all.
If I looked at top 20's instead it could change some of these things, some films may make lots of top 20's but not 10's for example, and would therefore climb the ranks. But the wider the lists are made the more "average" films climb due to appealing to everyone at a moderate level rather than polarizing. And the polarzing numbers would go down as something like A.I./Muholland Drive might make a lot of 15-16's which would then cut their average down a bit while Memento would stay strong since it is in a high percentage of top 10's.
I've thought about it a lot and I think a top 10 count is as good as any, as long as I post the other 2 counts (most lists and average rank) to help balance out our look. I still put the most weight in the overall totals with a dash of thought added in from the average rank list.
I pointed out in the Oscar thread earlier that 4 of the Best Pix films are in our top 11 total points list. The fact that less of the very small or polarizer films are up for Oscars compared to more across the board pleasing films is not that surprising considering the nature of large group voting.
And that's been a big point of mine all along. That "watered down" effect of not going for "edgier" films partially comes from the fact that to get a lot of votes you can't alienate half your audience.
In many ways it makes the Moulin Rouge run more remarkable because it clearly was the most polarizing of the Best Pix nominees.
One thing is for sure, seeing these lists totalled and the hard, cold numbers looking back at you gives a better understanding of just where things really stand versus any of our personal tastes.
And for the thousandth time from me, is there any doubt that Memento got kicked in the teeth this year? The only reasonable explanation I've heard is that we are biased young and Memento had no older appeal. Not sure if that's really true, but something must of held it back in the Academy's mind. You don't need adverts when everyone is talking about a film anyway.
One thing about those "average rank" numbers is that besides pointing out films that haven't been seen as much, it also indicates "polarizers", films that when they make a list are high on the list, but many other people don't put them on their top 10 at all.
If I looked at top 20's instead it could change some of these things, some films may make lots of top 20's but not 10's for example, and would therefore climb the ranks. But the wider the lists are made the more "average" films climb due to appealing to everyone at a moderate level rather than polarizing. And the polarzing numbers would go down as something like A.I./Muholland Drive might make a lot of 15-16's which would then cut their average down a bit while Memento would stay strong since it is in a high percentage of top 10's.
I've thought about it a lot and I think a top 10 count is as good as any, as long as I post the other 2 counts (most lists and average rank) to help balance out our look. I still put the most weight in the overall totals with a dash of thought added in from the average rank list.
I pointed out in the Oscar thread earlier that 4 of the Best Pix films are in our top 11 total points list. The fact that less of the very small or polarizer films are up for Oscars compared to more across the board pleasing films is not that surprising considering the nature of large group voting.
And that's been a big point of mine all along. That "watered down" effect of not going for "edgier" films partially comes from the fact that to get a lot of votes you can't alienate half your audience.
In many ways it makes the Moulin Rouge run more remarkable because it clearly was the most polarizing of the Best Pix nominees.
One thing is for sure, seeing these lists totalled and the hard, cold numbers looking back at you gives a better understanding of just where things really stand versus any of our personal tastes.
And for the thousandth time from me, is there any doubt that Memento got kicked in the teeth this year? The only reasonable explanation I've heard is that we are biased young and Memento had no older appeal. Not sure if that's really true, but something must of held it back in the Academy's mind. You don't need adverts when everyone is talking about a film anyway.
