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post #31 of 46
1/24/12 at 6:30am
The subtitles are still screwed up - the timing is off. They appear too early now. We see "dabble" a good four or five seconds before Diane Keaton says it. How hard is it to get that right?
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post #32 of 46
1/24/12 at 6:41am

Oh my god.  This is the first time I've looked at that DVD version.  Thanks for the link.  Words fail me.  But if changing the color from white to yellow is the only damage done to the BD, then I'm going to grab it and run like hell.  Don't know why they'd bother altering that, but I can live with it.

 

EDIT:  Just saw Nick's post above.  WTF???

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post #33 of 46
1/24/12 at 9:11am
Unbelievable. I can't understand why these were made electronic (for the dvd) in the first place, and not burned into the image. I was really looking forward to this, and now I don't know. Have any of the technicians/supervisors bothered to look at the film? Has anyone respect for comedy and/or Woody Allen? Or have a sense of humor? This is just stupid.

At least my Criterion laserdisc is correct.
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post #34 of 46
1/24/12 at 9:56am

The reason they are not burned in is because the disc is meant for world wide release. Studios will often use "textless masers" for those releases.

 

That doesn't excuse the timing issue being reported above. Nick's complaint if accurate would be reason for a replacement program.

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post #35 of 46
1/24/12 at 10:18am

Seriously.

 

We might be sending a lot of dinners back to the kitchen, but maybe someday the studios will get the message.

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post #36 of 46
1/24/12 at 6:01pm
Wow; that's really disappointing. The major issue fans of the film have had with the DVD for over a decade (aside from it being non-anamorphic), and they only half-fix it. The yellow font is an odd choice, but it wouldn't be that big a deal if the timing was correct.
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post #37 of 46
1/25/12 at 6:20am
I had another look and realized that I exaggerated somewhat - the difference is closer to two seconds than four. But the timing is still off - the first subtitle is nearly gone by the time Diane Keaton delivers her line.
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post #38 of 46
1/25/12 at 6:31am
Originally Posted by Bryan Tuck View Post

Wow; that's really disappointing. The major issue fans of the film have had with the DVD for over a decade (aside from it being non-anamorphic), and they only half-fix it.


Is this the "West Side Story" thread?   

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post #39 of 46
1/25/12 at 7:40am
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I had another look and realized that I exaggerated somewhat - the difference is closer to two seconds than four. But the timing is still off - the first subtitle is nearly gone by the time Diane Keaton delivers her line.

Just asking because I don't know how these things work, because the subtitles are player generated, could this be a hardware issue? Or is the timing going to be off across all players? Really disappointing news, as we've never had a satisfactory home edition of Annie Hall in the DVD era.
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post #40 of 46
1/25/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Worth View Post

I had another look and realized that I exaggerated somewhat - the difference is closer to two seconds than four. But the timing is still off - the first subtitle is nearly gone by the time Diane Keaton delivers her line.

This is total speculation, but I believe there is usually a timecode list for subtitles like this. Could it be that they used an old timecode, and failed to take into account the slightly slower speed of 23.976fps that the HD transfer would be running at? 2 seconds off about 30 minutes in would be about right for that.

Again, a total guess, but I wonder.
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post #41 of 46
1/25/12 at 12:21pm
I watched it, and maybe my brain is slow, but with as long as I took to read them, it wasn't that bad. She was done speaking before I finished reading her thought. Wrong - yes, but not that bad.

Really, only the first thought specifically relates to a line of dialogue, so it is the only one that seems 'off'. The rest are going with the flow of the conversation, so their placement doesn't hurt the joke.

As for the term 'subtitle', this is a special case. Normally subtitling is merely a visual form of the dialogue (otherwise known as close captioning). Since this is a thought-captioning, it is done differently (but thankfully without the extra "thinking" word). The true subtitling is in sync with the dialogue (the kind that can be enable/disabled by your player or tv).

As for the yellow, I actually like it better than the other version's white lettering. It is more legible - especially against Woody's white shirt.

David
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post #42 of 46
1/25/12 at 2:25pm
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Originally Posted by David Weicker View Post

I watched it, and maybe my brain is slow, but with as long as I took to read them, it wasn't that bad. She was done speaking before I finished reading her thought. Wrong - yes, but not that bad.
Really, only the first thought specifically relates to a line of dialogue, so it is the only one that seems 'off'. The rest are going with the flow of the conversation, so their placement doesn't hurt the joke.
As for the term 'subtitle', this is a special case. Normally subtitling is merely a visual form of the dialogue (otherwise known as close captioning). Since this is a thought-captioning, it is done differently (but thankfully without the extra "thinking" word). The true subtitling is in sync with the dialogue (the kind that can be enable/disabled by your player or tv).
As for the yellow, I actually like it better than the other version's white lettering. It is more legible - especially against Woody's white shirt.
David

Well, these are actually supposed to look like regular, language-translation subtitles. That is the whole point of the joke, after all.

Again, the yellow font doesn't seem to be that big a deal, but it's still kind of annoying that they couldn't get the timing on that first one right.
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post #43 of 46
1/25/12 at 6:29pm
I'm having some serious audio sync issues on Annie Hall. I've tried it on both my PS3 and LG BD611. The trailer is in perfect sync. No one else has this issue?
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post #44 of 46
1/25/12 at 7:23pm

I'm reviewing the Blu-ray tomorrow, so I'll have an opinion then.

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post #45 of 46
1/25/12 at 7:50pm

If this is indeed a mistake, we should stay on them to fix it. The studios need to be very careful about these mistakes. It will start to put a bad taste in the mouths of those who are most likely to buy them.

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post #46 of 46
1/26/12 at 3:15pm
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I'm reviewing the Blu-ray tomorrow, so I'll have an opinion then.

Then is now as Matt's review of Annie Hall Blu-ray is up.

 

 

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