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Hey, everyone. I was hoping to get some answers here by people who know their stuff—especially those like Mr. Harris who know a lot about film history and are involved with it in some way.

Having just watched a library copy of Kino's The General DVD (and right away upon finishing it, ordering the Kino Blu-ray), I was curious about the toned footage and whether it was intended to be seen this way, or shown this way in theaters in 1926, and if so, how they would go about doing this.

I've heard that Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horror and many other silent German movies had the film put through a dye process that would give off an intended tonality per scene (to signify night and day, mood and so on). If so, how was this done exactly? Were the negatives dipped in dye? How was the dye dried, and how did they prevent the footage from being ruined or compromised in some way?

Neil Middlemiss had this to say in his The General Blu-ray review:

It is noted that The General had some prints that were tinted sepia for daytime shots, and bluer for nighttime scenes (not uncommon for the day), while other prints were the more typical black and white.

So it was just a case of some prints receiving the toning process, while others were straight black and white? Was either one more in line with the vision of the filmmakers, one holding more true to it? Or was it just a way of offering a bit of variety—a fun, early experiment with color to show American audiences?

And can anybody say whether or not the toning on Kino's transfer of The General is in keeping with the original release, or is it based on guesswork?

Thanks for reading and hopefully responding. I look forward to being educated. biggrin.gif And, The General was a phenomenal film; it would appear that Keaton was the single greatest physical comedian to have lived. (At least according to my limited exposure.)

Also curious which Keaton films I should seek out next.

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Hey, everyone. I was hoping to get some answers here by people who know their stuff—especially those like Mr. Harris who know a lot about film history and are involved with it in some way.
Having just watched a library copy of Kino's The General DVD (and right away upon finishing it, ordering the Kino Blu-ray), I was curious about the toned footage and whether it was intended to be seen this way, or shown this way in theaters in 1926, and if so, how they would go about doing this.
I've heard that Nosferatu, a Symphony of Horror and many other silent German movies had the film put through a dye process that would give off an intended tonality per scene (to signify night and day, mood and so on). If so, how was this done exactly? Were the negatives dipped in dye? How was the dye dried, and how did they prevent the footage from being ruined or compromised in some way?
Neil Middlemiss had this to say in his The General Blu-ray review:
It is noted that The General had some prints that were tinted sepia for daytime shots, and bluer for nighttime scenes (not uncommon for the day), while other prints were the more typical black and white.
So it was just a case of some prints receiving the toning process, while others were straight black and white? Was either one more in line with the vision of the filmmakers, one holding more true to it? Or was it just a way of offering a bit of variety—a fun, early experiment with color to show American audiences?
And can anybody say whether or not the toning on Kino's transfer of The General is in keeping with the original release, or is it based on guesswork?
Thanks for reading and hopefully responding. I look forward to being educated. biggrin.gif And, The General was a phenomenal film; it would appear that Keaton was the single greatest physical comedian to have lived. (At least according to my limited exposure.)
Also curious which Keaton films I should seek out next.


Tinting and toning were two totally different processes.

 

The silent era used both, in addition to several different processes using other means of adding color.  And then there were the early Technicolor (2 color) processes.

 

Tinting refers to either the addition of an overall color, added after the film was processed, in which the film was simply run through a dye bath, lending an overall color to the entire frame.  The alternative was print stock of different colors.

 

Toning, which I don't believe was used in The General, was a different process altogether.  Toning would only affect the areas of the image that held retained silver, leaving clear areas pure.

 

Tinting and toning were used together, as in Napoleon.  In one sequence, as he watches the French fleet burn in the harbor, during the battle of Toulon, the image was toned blue, and then tinted a light red.  The final result yielded an image of Napoleon, stand atop a hill, looking down at the harbor, that was blue, with the fire being reflected off his face.

 

These are tinted frames:

 

Nap004.jpg

 

 

Nap005.jpg
 

 

Nap007.jpg

 

 

Nap003.jpeg

 

 

 

And a TONED frame.  Note the lack of color at the edges of the frame.

 

 

 

Nap009.jpg

 

RAH

 

 

 

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Thanks for the info and image examples. The scene you described from Napoleon sounds downright fascinating, and I hope that receives a good HD restoration so that I can check it out.
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