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post #61 of 480
10/24/11 at 1:07pm
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"Redneck Legolas".
Damn, dude...that's a keeper. biggrin.gif

Actually, as much as I'd love to take full credit for it, the name was coined by one of our very own HTF'ers in this very forum, in last year's Walking Dead thread (can't recall which one, specifically, right off the top of my head).biggrin.gif

The meth-appearance was cool as hell, but now I want an appearance by ACTUAL ZOMBIE Two-Face Gus. I'm thinking he attacks Andrea in the woods, she falls back horrified, but then zombie Gus's tie gets caught in a nearby woodchipper, and he gets sucked in, or something.

(Also, I want a one-handed-Rooker cameo on Breaking Bad. Quid pro quo, AMC.)
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post #62 of 480
10/24/11 at 1:33pm
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Kevin Hewell came up with "Redneck Legolas."

Complaints about the premiere WRT cuts forced on Darabont is more evidence that the internet is why we can't have nice things. I didn't know there was an issue, so I just enjoyed it. Not that it was above criticism, but I bet most people who didn't know anything about that just had a good time.

When Maggie said, "Where is your wife?" did anyone else yell, "She's with Glenn!" cool.gif I almost think they should have referred to her by name and shown her for the first time on screen when she played roamer baseball. That was a bad ass entrance.

For anyone worried about reading the comics before watching the show, I'll say we're in familiar territory but there is still a lot that is different. I don't know all of the characters' fates at any one moment.

I like how this show, like the comic, plays on our expectations. I figured the shooter would be some drunk redneck asshole, but he's a decent guy who just had a horrible accident.
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post #63 of 480
10/24/11 at 6:13pm
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post #64 of 480
10/24/11 at 7:20pm
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I like how this show, like the comic, plays on our expectations. I figured the shooter would be some drunk redneck asshole, but he's a decent guy who just had a horrible accident.
Yeah, I expected a whining hick stereotype too. Nice to see them go a more realistic (and hence more interesting) direction. Plus, having an excellent character actor like Pruitt Taylor Vince in the role will elevate it.

I liked the show last year but wasn't the fan that many other folks were. However, this year is a major improvement.
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post #65 of 480
10/25/11 at 7:42am
I like the foreshadowing, from season 1, when Dale encountered Shane in the woods, sighting in on Rick with his rifle, and Shane came up with a lame line about they all should be wearing international orange.
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post #66 of 480
10/25/11 at 12:12pm
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I certainly don't think the characters are a waste by any means, though it depends on the episode in question. I thought this was a stronger installment than the season opener, but I think some of that was because it was shorter. I also think the episode was helped tremendously by the guest stars.

The writing for the show is odd. They seem to cut away just when things get interesting, as if they have no idea how to finish or follow through. The conversation between T-Dog and DeMunn's character, for instance -- I liked that it was essentially a metawink at black characters being peripheral, but felt like it was cut short and left hanging.
That said, the interactions between Shane and Rick were tremendous. Excellent acting, solid writing. Shane, especially, managed to evoke his contradictory feelings and loyalties, with just body language and tone of voice. A lot to like, here. Overall, this episode just felt tighter. Rick and Shane were great this week, and I'm finally buying these two as best-buddies.
The rest of the character work has been fairly shaky (I realize it's trite to complain about something like Glenn's lack of character development and functionality at this point in the season; shows like LOST did this sort of thing on a regular basis), but if the Rick-and-Shane stuff stays strong, I'll be fine with it.
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...Bullseye, bitches.
Merle's Bag O' Goodies -- some Pollos Hermanos crystal, some ecstasy, some killer pain-pills, and some antibiotics for the clap.

Hope he got that at the Gus Fring going out of Business sale.
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post #67 of 480
10/25/11 at 12:20pm
AMC Renews The Walking Dead For Season 3
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post #68 of 480
10/27/11 at 8:00am
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Nitpick of the day:

They shot the Andrea attack-scene really, really weirdly. I've seen someone else refer to it looking like a "Lifetime movie rape-scene." And the zombie, while a zombie, looked like he was black. Maybe my "WTF Women Portrayed in Genre Stuff??" radar is out and up, but that was a weirdly-shot scene. Weirdly suggestive. What the hell, show?

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What I liked about that scene is there was no warning. In movies and TV, we get audible cues when things are about to happen. It's OK, we live with it. But in reali life, there are no audible cues. One second you're walking through a forest, and the next there's a zombie you hadn't noticed a few feet away from you. And yes, even with the crunching of forest floor branches, you might not hear it because of other people and your own crunching branches. This was realistic without going overboard (the tight shot on the inside of a car when suddenly -- BLAM! -- there's a car accident).

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post #69 of 480
10/29/11 at 11:07am
Just for fun, I found copies of the Walking Dead talk show for the first episode. I was hoping they'd be kind of cool behind the sceens bits like the awesome (and dearly departed) Doctor Who Confidential.

. . . . what a fucking waste of time. A "comedian" I've never heard of making lame jokes about Occupy Meat Street and the writer from a completely unrelated movie. What the fuck? It got vaguely more interesting when they brought the comic book writer on, but it was still a load of boring pointless shit.
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post #70 of 480
10/29/11 at 1:46pm
^ My favorite part about that show is that the host is clearly aware of what a piece of crap it is, and is struggling not to smirk at the enterprise through the entire running time.
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post #71 of 480
10/29/11 at 6:31pm
I'm glad I watched Talking Dead just because Kirkman clarified that The Walking Dead universe doesn't have zombie movies so the characters have no touchstone for what is happening. I always just assumed that the worlds of the comic book and TV show were identical to ours... except for the zombies.
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post #72 of 480
10/29/11 at 7:35pm
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I think he's mentioned that in lettercols (though, I don't know if you've read every issue in single form, or some trades that don't have them). It seems a little silly, but I don't mind if it lets him get away from the post-modern self-referential stuff like Scream. It would be funny if they had the old, voodoo-style zombie movies, though.
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post #73 of 480
10/29/11 at 8:34pm
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I think he's mentioned that in lettercols (though, I don't know if you've read every issue in single form, or some trades that don't have them). It seems a little silly, but I don't mind if it lets him get away from the post-modern self-referential stuff like Scream. It would be funny if they had the old, voodoo-style zombie movies, though.

I only started reading the book monthly about 2 years ago so it could have been mentioned before my time or my memory is worse than I realize. I was always curious as to why no one mentioned taking the Dawn Of The Dead approach to survival and live in or at least raid a suburban mall. The more I think about it, I love not having zombies in the pop culture of The Walking Dead universe because it makes what's happening even more terrifying and unknown to the characters.
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post #74 of 480
10/30/11 at 5:26pm

The second episode "Bloodletting" was very good. There is something dodgy about that farm and the vet. The bit in the woods with the zombie was unexpected. So far the quality is consistently good.

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post #75 of 480
10/30/11 at 9:32pm
It's amazing. Very little happens plot-wise in each episode, but I'm sitting at the edge of my seat the entire hour. This show does suspense incredibly well.

I like that the show's playing with the diversions with the comic; because Shane's survived longer than in the comic, Otis dies sooner than in the comic. And clearly, Shane has come unhinged. Maybe he's becoming what you need to become to survive in this world, or maybe he's just a psychopath. Either way, throwing Otis to the dogs like that was harsh to the extreme.

Interesting that the Sophia hunt is being dragged out as long as it has. I figured she'd have been found by now, either alive and healthy or dead and/or undead. Maybe they just couldn't afford Madison Lintz and Pruitt Taylor Vince at the same time with the budget cuts. I can't imagine a kid costs too much, though.
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post #76 of 480
10/30/11 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Lenhardt View Post

I like that the show's playing with the diversions with the comic; because Shane's survived longer than in the comic, Otis dies sooner than in the comic. And clearly, Shane has come unhinged. Maybe he's becoming what you need to become to survive in this world, or maybe he's just a psychopath. Either way, throwing Otis to the dogs like that was harsh to the extreme.

Harsh - but man, I can not dispute the logic. If Shane had not turned Otis into a hot lunch buffet, then odds were very, very, very good that both will die (and then, by extension The Kid dies too). Three lives or one? It's a hard call - but I can't see any other way around it.

Of course one has to wonder - how premeditated it was?
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post #77 of 480
10/31/11 at 6:17am
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Of course one has to wonder - how premeditated it was?

I think it was a spur of the moment type of thing. I also think that the motivating factor was self-preservation but he'll try to tell himself that he did it to save Carl as well.
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post #78 of 480
10/31/11 at 6:27am

Was I the only one when you saw the mark on his shoulder and then a clump of hair missing that thought: "Wait, did he get bit?  Is he turning?"

 


 

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It's amazing. Very little happens plot-wise in each episode, but I'm sitting at the edge of my seat the entire hour. This show does suspense incredibly well.
I like that the show's playing with the diversions with the comic; because Shane's survived longer than in the comic, Otis dies sooner than in the comic. And clearly, Shane has come unhinged. Maybe he's becoming what you need to become to survive in this world, or maybe he's just a psychopath. Either way, throwing Otis to the dogs like that was harsh to the extreme.
Interesting that the Sophia hunt is being dragged out as long as it has. I figured she'd have been found by now, either alive and healthy or dead and/or undead. Maybe they just couldn't afford Madison Lintz and Pruitt Taylor Vince at the same time with the budget cuts. I can't imagine a kid costs too much, though.


 

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post #79 of 480
10/31/11 at 7:29am
For those of us who haven't read the comics, could those "wow, he's living longer than he did in the comics and vice-versa" comments be done in marked spoiler text? Thanks.
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post #80 of 480
10/31/11 at 9:30am
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I think it was a spur of the moment type of thing. I also think that the motivating factor was self-preservation but he'll try to tell himself that he did it to save Carl as well.

Yeah he was saving his own ass - but man, I'm not sure I would have done anything different if I were in the exact same situation.

I'm with a stranger I've known - what, less than three hours? Emotions are running high, even for a high stress situation like a Global Zombie apocalypse (my best friends son is dieing, here's the guy who did it - and then you add in the every day stress of a hundred hungry ghouls chasing me down). And they don't have time to debate the issue - and if you DO bring it up, Otis would be on guard for you throwing him under the bus and your window of opportunity would close. And then you add in the powerful human survival instinct, the 'its either me or him'. . . .

Mind you, I'm not saying it was the right decision or a good decision - but it's a totally understandable decision.

Also did anyone notice that at first Shane told Otis to leave him behind - but Otis refused. If Shane was coming from pure self-survival, he would not have originally asked Otis to leave him.
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post #81 of 480
10/31/11 at 12:47pm
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You don't have to be faster than the bear. . . . Shane: asshole or survivalist? Little from Column A/Column B? I think if he admitted to Rick what he did and that he did it for Carl, he would understand. But, we have the luxury of knowing about him and Lori, and that he was on the verge of killing Rick for her at one point.

I thought very briefly that he was bitten when he looked at his shoulder, but the opening sequence was on my mind, and when I saw we were catching back up to that point, I pretty much figured out what he had done.
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post #82 of 480
10/31/11 at 1:18pm
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The second episode "Bloodletting" was very good. There is something dodgy about that farm and the vet. The bit in the woods with the zombie was unexpected. So far the quality is consistently good.


I agree.  Power, hot water, not too many zombies around.  At least they are willing to help.
 

 

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post #83 of 480
10/31/11 at 1:21pm



 

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I think it was a spur of the moment type of thing. I also think that the motivating factor was self-preservation but he'll try to tell himself that he did it to save Carl as well.

Yeah he was saving his own ass - but man, I'm not sure I would have done anything different if I were in the exact same situation.

 



Note to self: Never go into a zombie loaded school with Tony smile.gif  My first thought when I saw the top of his head was he got bit/scratched by the zombie in the gym window.

 

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post #84 of 480
10/31/11 at 2:02pm
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I agree.  Power, hot water, not too many zombies around.  At least they are willing to help.

"I've made a deal that will keep the zombies out of our farm forever."

(opens the dining room doors; zombie are at the table wearing party hats)

"Braaaaaaaaaaains!"
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post #85 of 480
10/31/11 at 3:22pm

Speaking of budget cuts, those zombie night scenes save a bundle on makeup costs. The zombies behind the front row probably required no makeup other than blackened faces.

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post #86 of 480
10/31/11 at 3:29pm


And to be honest, they may have been more effective when it's just a blank mass of humanity.
 

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Speaking of budget cuts, those zombie night scenes save a bundle on makeup costs. The zombies behind the front row probably required no makeup other than blackened faces.



 

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post #87 of 480
11/1/11 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Tony J Case View Post

Also did anyone notice that at first Shane told Otis to leave him behind - but Otis refused. If Shane was coming from pure self-survival, he would not have originally asked Otis to leave him.

Shane is a black and white, results oriented guy. He's very simple. Have a goal, reach the goal. He didn't shoot Otis because he wanted to survive. He shot him because he was trying to save Carl.

He wanted to save Carl and accomplish the mission - simple as that. He realized he was screwed early on and told Otis to leave him behind. Motive: accomplish the mission and save Carl.

Running from a zombie pack and losing...solution? Shoot Otis and outrun the feasting pack. Goal accomplished. Unfortunately, this one will leave a mark on Shane's soul as we can see from the glare he gives himself in the mirror.
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post #88 of 480
11/1/11 at 11:52am
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Shane is a black and white, results oriented guy. He's very simple. Have a goal, reach the goal. He didn't shoot Otis because he wanted to survive. He shot him because he was trying to save Carl.

I find impossible to think that self-preservation didn't play the biggest part in it. Like I said, he'll rationalize his actions by saying that he did it to save Carl but he murdered Otis to save his own ass and saving Carl will be a happy by-product. Even though it's easy to see how anyone would be terrified enough to do the same thing in Shane's position, he's becoming unhinged and he's self-centered enough to use force to get what he wants. Keep in mind that last year, Shane was about to shoot Rick because he had taken over his role as the group's leader and he tried to force Lori to have sex with him after Rick had returned (maybe in the CDC?).
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post #89 of 480
11/1/11 at 9:34pm
Actually...I've been thinking more about it...

I still think Shane is a results oriented guy, I just hadn't devolved myself to his level. Yes, the result compelling him was saving Carl; but, I now think that his ULTIMATE goal is still to get Lori back! And, the moment she gives him was him winning in spades.

What a bastard.
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post #90 of 480
11/2/11 at 6:59am
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For those of us who haven't read the comics, could those "wow, he's living longer than he did in the comics and vice-versa" comments be done in marked spoiler text? Thanks.
Yes, even though the show is clearly a different version of the story (e.g. I read that they didn't go to the CDC in the comics [or at least not at that point], but couldn't resist doing so in the show), please don't tell us about deaths and such. We do know from plenty of shows that the availability of actors can completely change what happens to their characters. We also know from other shows that even though a character might have been written in as a one-time or three-episode appearance, the actor might have been so compelling that they decided to keep his character on for the rest of series. So, anything can happen, but we still don't want possible spoilers.
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