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post #241 of 275
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Originally Posted by rsmithjr View Post

Like I said, I adjusted it to match my memory.

Same here but Billy is right - Fox should revisit the colors when they release the big US boxset. With a properly adjusted set this should look correct out of the box.
post #242 of 275
Just ordered from Amazon.co.uk - only $15.37 including shipping.
post #243 of 275
Received my copy from AmazonUK yesterday. Hopefully I'll get to watch it tomorrow. Disc 1 was off it's spindle and floating around in the case and has a couple small scratches so I need to find out quickly if there's any problems with it. I did take a quick look at the first few minutes last night and I definitely see the bluish quality to the picture that many of you are talking about.

I do have one question for those of you who have already watched this thing. Has anyone done any comparison listening between the 5.1 and 4.0 soundtracks and any comments on the differences between the two?
post #244 of 275
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Originally Posted by adklz View Post

Received my copy from AmazonUK yesterday. Hopefully I'll get to watch it tomorrow. Disc 1 was off it's spindle and floating around in the case and has a couple small scratches so I need to find out quickly if there's any problems with it. I did take a quick look at the first few minutes last night and I definitely see the bluish quality to the picture that many of you are talking about.
I do have one question for those of you who have already watched this thing. Has anyone done any comparison listening between the 5.1 and 4.0 soundtracks and any comments on the differences between the two?


Same thing happened to my copy.  I'm sure we're not alone on that regard.

post #245 of 275
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Same thing happened to my copy.  I'm sure we're not alone on that regard.

Fortunately mine arrived with both discs attached to their hubs.  I guess I got lucky that my package wasn't tossed around or handled by Mr. Clumsy Hands biggrin.gif

post #246 of 275
pq seems very good so far!
post #247 of 275
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Same thing happened to my copy.  I'm sure we're not alone on that regard.

Same here. Fortunately, no scratches.
post #248 of 275
Mine arrived with no discs loose. I did upgrade on shipping, so perhaps that helped a bit...
post #249 of 275
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Well, I ordered CLEOPATRA from Amazon UK on Feb 3. It was sent out on Feb9. Estimated delivery date was Feb 17. Still waiting. Now the Amazon Cleo site says "cannot be delivered to default address." I am in contact with Amazon to find out what is going on. Any one else having same problem?
post #250 of 275
It takes me up to three weeks to receive some Amazon UK shipments here in Brooklyn, though most make it here in a week or even five days. I'd hold tight until March 1 unless some other problem is uncovered.
post #251 of 275
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Amazon UK just informed me that CLEOPATRA can't be ordered and I received a refund. This really sucks! Where the hell is the US release?
post #252 of 275
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Originally Posted by trajan View Post

Amazon UK just informed me that CLEOPATRA can't be ordered and I received a refund. This really sucks! Where the hell is the US release?



Probably not due until its anniversary next year. I've heard nothing about an imminent release here.

 

post #253 of 275
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Amazon UK just informed me that CLEOPATRA can't be ordered and I received a refund. This really sucks! Where the hell is the US release?

Interesting. I wonder if Fox pressured them to stop the flow...
post #254 of 275
This sounds very odd. I ordered Cleopatra from AmazonUK on Feb. 8. It was shipped out on the 14th and I received it on the 22nd. You might try ordering it through Wowhd(formerly CDWow). They've got it listed at $23.99 w/ shipping. I've ordered cd's from them in the past with no problems. Good luck.

http://www.wowhd.us/blu-ray/cleopatra-50th-anniversary-edition-blu-ray/dp/25390797#bc=6f67
post #255 of 275
I think it is more likely that Amazon.UK is out of stock and that the current low-priced offering is from a third party seller who does not ship to the USA. If you click on the preferred merchant, it says it is indigostarfish.com.
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Whats really weird is looking at other titles that I've ordered in the past, Ben Hur, Gone With The Wind, Zodiac (that just shipped this week) and Cleopatra and one region free title that I just chose at random, Dr. Zhivago none can now be shipped to my address.  However a couple others that I ordered recently Silverado and WWE Summerslam 2011 are still available.  I think that maybe with the sale they had been running that some titles may have sold out from the main site for now.  It's kinda weird looking at The Tudors series that I got a couple of months ago, 2 seasons can ship t o me, and 2 can't.  So I bet it's just a stock issue.

post #257 of 275
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I might give WOW-HD a try. Thanks for info.
post #258 of 275
excellent pq and aq so far! I'm about 45 mintues in....And I like the movie too. But I'm a sucker for historical epics.
post #259 of 275
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Originally Posted by rayman1701 View Post

Whats really weird is looking at other titles that I've ordered in the past, Ben Hur, Gone With The Wind, Zodiac (that just shipped this week) and Cleopatra and one region free title that I just chose at random, Dr. Zhivago none can now be shipped to my address.  However a couple others that I ordered recently Silverado and WWE Summerslam 2011 are still available.  I think that maybe with the sale they had been running that some titles may have sold out from the main site for now.  It's kinda weird looking at The Tudors series that I got a couple of months ago, 2 seasons can ship t o me, and 2 can't.  So I bet it's just a stock issue.

It's works the other way across the Atlantic as well. I can order most things from Amazon.com but now and again they say they cannot ship a particular item to the UK. But then, later on, I find I can order it. Seems to make no sense. Thing is to wait awhile and try again.
post #260 of 275
The situation with Cleopatra's lost footage is explained on the new blu-ray.

Apparently in 1978, Fox decided--in order to save money--to throw out all of their cuts and extra footage from their old films. At that point it was thrown away.

But, the 4 hour 6 minute version survives, and is quite good. Thank goodness at least that survives.
post #261 of 275
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Originally Posted by benbess View Post

The situation with Cleopatra's lost footage is explained on the new blu-ray.
Apparently in 1978, Fox decided--in order to save money--to throw out all of their cuts and extra footage from their old films. At that point it was thrown away.
But, the 4 hour 6 minute version survives, and is quite good. Thank goodness at least that survives.

Yeah, these studios make me sick. Fox and MGM trashed a lot of their legacy in the 70s...just a few years from the time when home video came around, and made them millions in home releases of their catalog films. Wonder how many more millions they'd have made if MGM hadn't thrown out the "Jitterbug" from the Wizard of Oz, or if Fox had kept TWO WHOLE HOURS of Cleopatra footage (like it was really taking up THAT much room). Stupid, stupid studio people. Notice the first four letters of "studio" and "stupid" are the same. I realize that nobody in the 70s could foresee the advent of home video, but they still were very stupid. I hope a lot of those people were shot after destroying vintage film materials...
post #262 of 275
It really does make me feel upset and almost sick too. Apparently there was something approaching a whole room worth of footage on Cleopatra sitting in LA from 1963 to 1978, when it went to the dump.

There are shots in this blu-ray of some of Fox's current vaults--and they look quite clean, high tech, and controlled in terms of environment. I think in the 70s it was more like rusty cans sitting in an un-airconditioned warehouse somewhere. And if you count the extra footage of not just Cleopatra, but of all the films Fox had made, it really was taking up a lot of space for what seemed like no possible use for them.

Still it makes you upset to think about. If only they'd just tried to sell it to collectors back then!

I think this is around the time when they threw out their 3 strip Technicolor negatives. Stupid beyond belief. Imagine taking something unique in all the world, something that took blood, sweat, tears, mind, and a whole lot of money to make, and just saying: "Put this in the trash."
Edited by benbess - 2/26/12 at 5:58am
post #263 of 275
You have to remember, that was when the leadership changeover was happening, when the movie-makers who built the studios were being run out of town by financiers, accountants and lawyers. Bad management decisions put them in that situation, but the replacements were in it strictly for the short term. If it didn't produce immediate cash, it was junk. Outtakes and cut footage didn't produce immediate cash, so they went into the garbage. (The exception would appear to be Disney. Even in unsuccessful times, they appear to have kept everything.)

Even ignoring the home video revolution, imagine what that footage would have brought at auction. Either the new folks had no imagination, or it was just contempt for the ones they forced out. Whatever the reason, all we can do is shake our heads and marvel at the stupidity.
post #264 of 275
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Originally Posted by David_B_K View Post

I think it is more likely that Amazon.UK is out of stock and that the current low-priced offering is from a third party seller who does not ship to the USA. If you click on the preferred merchant, it says it is indigostarfish.com.

I just received the following email from Amazon.co.uk. I did not pay for it till yesterday, as there was a problem with someone else using my account. Had to cancel my VISA card and get a new one. It's only $14.80 including shipping.


Your order #203-4095371-2389907 (received February 20, 2012)
Qty Item Price Delivery Subtotal


Amazon.co.uk items (Sold by Amazon EU S.a.r.L.):

1 Cleopatra [Blu-ray] [1963] £6.24 1 £6.24

Dispatched via Royal Mail (estimated arrival date: Monday, March 05, 2012).

Item Subtotal: £6.24
Delivery and handling: £3.08
Total: £9.32
post #265 of 275
Roland: You got a bargain!

Rick T: Yeah, you're right. The contempt and indifference that was shown is just sad...
post #266 of 275

Maybe this will pop up very soon as a Best Buy or Walmart Exclusive (as FOX did with "The Poseidon Adventure - Walmart April 3rd, which has been up for Amazon pre-order in France and Germany)

post #267 of 275
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Originally Posted by GMpasqua View Post

Maybe this will pop up very soon as a Best Buy or Walmart Exclusive (as FOX did with "The Poseidon Adventure - Walmart April 3rd, which has been up for Amazon pre-order in France and Germany)

No, I think it's too big that.

Cleopatra will probably get the box o junk treatment and general release. My guess is that they'll head it out the doors at amzn and everywhere else in Nov. so that they can plausibly say it's a 50th anniversary release.
post #268 of 275
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Originally Posted by benbess View Post

The situation with Cleopatra's lost footage is explained on the new blu-ray.
Apparently in 1978, Fox decided--in order to save money--to throw out all of their cuts and extra footage from their old films. At that point it was thrown away.
But, the 4 hour 6 minute version survives, and is quite good. Thank goodness at least that survives.

To really appreciate the 4-hr version, you should see the execrable 192 minute version. I'm glad we at least have what we have.
post #269 of 275
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Originally Posted by Rick Thompson View Post

You have to remember, that was when the leadership changeover was happening, when the movie-makers who built the studios were being run out of town by financiers, accountants and lawyers. Bad management decisions put them in that situation, but the replacements were in it strictly for the short term. If it didn't produce immediate cash, it was junk. Outtakes and cut footage didn't produce immediate cash, so they went into the garbage. (The exception would appear to be Disney. Even in unsuccessful times, they appear to have kept everything.)
Even ignoring the home video revolution, imagine what that footage would have brought at auction. Either the new folks had no imagination, or it was just contempt for the ones they forced out. Whatever the reason, all we can do is shake our heads and marvel at the stupidity.

There was very little worth to be found in "nostalgia" back in the 70s. In those days, if it was old--toss it out. Anything worth consideration had to be of immediacy. There was very little retrospective in terms of art or culture. People would make fun of you for listening to records that were two years old. Everything had to be now. It wasn't really the "Me" generation, it was the "NOW" generation. That's what people thought in those days.

Interestingly, by the time we got to the home video revolution (circa 1985), then it was okay to look back on old films and appreciate them, and find something of contemporary value in them (I hope we still do this today. I know the forum members do). But by '85 all those studio purges had been completed, and then they were crying the blues because they discovered the value of outtakes and such. Well, boo hoo. By the time the studios figured that out, all the people who'd thrown out all that stuff had long since been removed from their positions. I think, as you mention, Disney may have remained immune because unlike most of the major studios, it was never sold off to an outside corporation. Despite a lot of power changes at Disney, there's still been reverence for its film past, and therefore continuity in storing its materials. Thank God for the Disney Archives--let me tell you.

Ben--the vaults that are filled with materials that are currently being sorted and worked on are definitely clean and organized. However, Hollywood still has countless vaults and storage facilities filled with film that have been locked for decades. Probably nobody knows what's in them. I've worked on studio lots for all my adult life. I've actually seen some of those facilities opened up and people have to go in with facemasks because god knows what's on the other side of that door. I'd actually love to have that job, though--just a job where you go around opening up film storage nooks just to see what's inside lol
post #270 of 275
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Originally Posted by Ethan Riley View Post

....Ben--the vaults that are filled with materials that are currently being sorted and worked on are definitely clean and organized. However, Hollywood still has countless vaults and storage facilities filled with film that have been locked for decades. Probably nobody knows what's in them. I've worked on studio lots for all my adult life. I've actually seen some of those facilities opened up and people have to go in with facemasks because god knows what's on the other side of that door. I'd actually love to have that job, though--just a job where you go around opening up film storage nooks just to see what's inside lol

wow. And even with the dangers, that does sound like an interesting job to look for those old treasures on film...
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