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post #1 of 192
9/23/11 at 8:39pm
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I did a search and didn't see any thread for this yet.

Season 4 premiered tonight.

It seemed like an interesting starting point, but I swear if they mentioned something being missing one more time I was ready to throw something. biggrin.gif
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post #2 of 192
9/23/11 at 11:24pm

I didn't catch any recurring "missing" comments.

 

So it looks like they figured out how to freely cross over between worlds. Or Peter created a stable wormhole with the Machine?

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post #3 of 192
9/24/11 at 7:39am
Anyone catch the Fight Club-style subliminal flashes of Peter?
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post #4 of 192
9/24/11 at 8:29am

I caught the FIght Club-esque flashes: the one in the first minute was the easiest to spot (likely by design).

 

Great premiere and a better introduction to "our" side's Lincoln Lee.  From this episode and the season preview montage, it looks as though the creature-of-the-week episodes are going to be back in force, yet also play a bigger role in the ongoing story arc.  Very smart.

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post #5 of 192
9/24/11 at 12:40pm
I thought it was kind of a waste of Joe Flanigan, until I remembered that he probably has a mirror version. I prefer our Liv's personality, but red's haircut knocks me out. It's probably just a wig, though.
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post #6 of 192
9/24/11 at 12:59pm

Yup, it's a wig (per the special features on the Season 3 release).

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post #7 of 192
9/24/11 at 1:48pm

Really enjoyed the season opener. Looking forward to more.

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post #8 of 192
9/26/11 at 12:37pm
Yes, it was quite an interesting episode. I guess that in this timeline, Peter died when he and Walter crossed over. How it all worked out still has some mysteries.
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post #9 of 192
9/26/11 at 3:25pm
I was concerned and found out that some how Peter will be back. I was pretty sure he would be, but it is nice to know.
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post #10 of 192
9/26/11 at 8:46pm

Timelines irritate me. It's too much to keep track of and almost never enough payoff to justify the work. I've really liked Finge in Seasons 2-3, but I'm only cautiously optimistic about things at the moment. The bare essentials for an enjoyable "hour" of TV are there, but I suspect it'll come down to how much I'm able to basically block out all the timeline stuff and just roll with the basics. I really wish they hadn't gone the route of "erasing" Peter.

 

 

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post #11 of 192
9/27/11 at 7:50am
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I didn't catch any recurring "missing" comments.

 

So it looks like they figured out how to freely cross over between worlds. Or Peter created a stable wormhole with the Machine?


Yes; Peter created holes on both sides that led to that facility, or room, so they could work together to fix their problems.
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post #12 of 192
9/30/11 at 7:49pm
Did I miss something? In tonight's episode the alternate Broyles is alive...didn't he die helping Olivia escape the alternate universe? Only thing I can assume is that when Peter fixed the universe it brought Broyles back.
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post #13 of 192
9/30/11 at 8:15pm
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Did I miss something? In tonight's episode the alternate Broyles is alive...didn't he die helping Olivia escape the alternate universe? Only thing I can assume is that when Peter fixed the universe it brought Broyles back.
Yes, I presume there are several differences now that adult Peter has been removed.
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post #14 of 192
9/30/11 at 10:46pm

Nice to see (hear) Charlie followed through with the Bug Lady. :D

 

This was a pretty creepy and touching episode, which put a finer point on the question of what makes people turn out the way they do.

 

I was expecting some kind of creepy twist with Marjorie and that box. What was that all about?

 

So it sounds like Olivia had to take matters into her own hands with her stepfather without the benefit of Walter intervening on her behalf? Which in turn suggests Walter never did the experiments on the kids?

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post #15 of 192
9/30/11 at 11:14pm
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Great premiere and a better introduction to "our" side's Lincoln Lee.  From this episode and the season preview montage, it looks as though the creature-of-the-week episodes are going to be back in force, yet also play a bigger role in the ongoing story arc.  Very smart.

Yeah it feels like Season One again. I guess that is needed, to attract viewers rather than cater to only the die-hard fans who have followed it all the way through. I must exercise patience, because I'd rather have more of the long-arc story development. But that wouldn't be wise from a ratings perspective.
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post #16 of 192
10/1/11 at 2:51pm
Sometime this show is a little confusing. I thought Walter intervened with Olivia's stepfather on her behalf. Did she actually kill her stepfather?

On another line, on the trust issue, someone might point out to Fauxlivia that she shouldn’t in anyway remind Olivia how she (Fauxlivia) took part in the kidnapping, torture, and stealing of her (Olivia’s) identity, when she is seeking her assistance.

It seem that even though Peter at this time never existed. Walter is grieving his loss.

It is nice to have Lincoln Lee in the show, but I think Charlie is gone. He is now on Prime Suspect, at least the pilot.
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post #17 of 192
10/1/11 at 3:17pm
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Sometime this show is a little confusing. I thought Walter intervened with Olivia's stepfather on her behalf. Did she actually kill her stepfather?

 

Walter did intervene, but we've all assumed that was enough to stop the abuse. She could have still killed him in the original timeline, but I think it's more likely this is one of the alterations due to Peter's actions, since it was never brought up before. This leads to some interesting questions, mainly, how has this kind of experience changed Olivia from what we've seen up until this season? This certainly fits into the theme of the recent episode.

 

Along the same lines, Bolivia (I prefer this name since she's not really a "fake" Olivia, just an alternate version) could be different as well. In fact, from what we've seen so far, she seems even cockier and more aggressive than before, though that could be just in her interaction with Olivia.

 

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It seem that even though Peter at this time never existed. Walter is grieving his loss.

 

He's certainly more frantic now that he doesn't have / hasn't had Peter to anchor him.

 

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It is nice to have Lincoln Lee in the show, but I think Charlie is gone. He is now on Prime Suspect, at least the pilot.

 

Kirk Acevedo is in fact a regular on "Prime Suspect," so we probably won't be seeing Charlie any time soon.

 

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post #18 of 192
10/1/11 at 7:27pm
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It seem that even though Peter at this time never existed. Walter is grieving his loss.

And Olivia has a hole in her life, too, which she can't explain. Although the senior Observer believes that Peter served his purpose and is no longer needed, it seems that the universe(s) has other ideas. And the younger Observer will be proven right in refusing to use his improvised device to erase him for good.
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I guess that in this timeline, Peter died when he and Walter crossed over.

I'm not sure Peter and Walter ever did cross over. It is quite possible that both Peters died of natural causes in their own worlds. That's the most confusing part. In the ur-Timeline, the one the Observers screwed up and which they now think they fixed, Walter's sone died. Walternate invented a cure. He was distracted at the moment of his success by the arrival of an Observer. If he had not been distracted, he would have seen the chemical reaction and realized he had the cure - and he would then have saved his son. But we're told the boy never grew to be a man. Presumably that means both boys. So how ist it that Walternate never found the cure. Did someone else "on business from Porllock's" show up at the critical moment?

BTW, I love the return of crazy Walter. And the recreation of the Maxell audio tape ad. (With a bit of Doc Brown's wall-o-spakers thrown in .)

Later,

Joe
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post #19 of 192
10/2/11 at 12:01pm
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It seem that even though Peter at this time never existed. Walter is grieving his loss.
And Olivia has a hole in her life, too, which she can't explain. Although the senior Observer believes that Peter served his purpose and is no longer needed, it seems that the universe(s) has other ideas. And the younger Observer will be proven right in refusing to use his improvised device to erase him for good.
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I guess that in this timeline, Peter died when he and Walter crossed over.
I'm not sure Peter and Walter ever did cross over. It is quite possible that both Peters died of natural causes in their own worlds. That's the most confusing part. In the ur-Timeline, the one the Observers screwed up and which they now think they fixed, Walter's sone died. Walternate invented a cure. He was distracted at the moment of his success by the arrival of an Observer. If he had not been distracted, he would have seen the chemical reaction and realized he had the cure - and he would then have saved his son. But we're told the boy never grew to be a man. Presumably that means both boys. So how ist it that Walternate never found the cure. Did someone else "on business from Porllock's" show up at the critical moment?
BTW, I love the return of crazy Walter. And the recreation of the Maxell audio tape ad. (With a bit of Doc Brown's wall-o-spakers thrown in .)
Later,
Joe

I"m pretty sure that at least Walter crossed over and came back. That is what started the whole shebang. Maybe he brought Peter back and was unable to save him from drowning, but did not drown himself. That would account for his sad craziness (partly guilt), and the absence of Peter in both universes.
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post #20 of 192
10/2/11 at 12:04pm
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I"m pretty sure that at least Walter crossed over and came back. That is what started the whole shebang. Maybe he brought Peter back and was unable to save him from drowning, but did not drown himself. That would account for his sad craziness (partly guilt), and the absence of Peter in both universes.
I'd think that was the case. The difference is that the watcher did not save the Peter that was brought across. Walter mentioned about Peter dying twice in the opener of the season.
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post #21 of 192
10/2/11 at 12:09pm
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Walter mentioned about Peter dying twice in the opener of the season.

??? I must have missed that. I don't recall Walter making any reference to Peter in the opener.

BTW, another favorite moment from the last episode - Walter calling Lincoln "Kennedy". smile.gif

Regards,

Joe
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post #22 of 192
10/2/11 at 12:16pm

"Goodnight Tommy".

"I'm Tim".

"Goodnight Timmy".

 

Two episodes in before I realized "Fringe" was back on. Thank goodness for HULU.

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post #23 of 192
10/2/11 at 12:44pm
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I"m pretty sure that at least Walter crossed over and came back. That is what started the whole shebang. Maybe he brought Peter back and was unable to save him from drowning, but did not drown himself. That would account for his sad craziness (partly guilt), and the absence of Peter in both universes.


Yes, Walter had to have crossed over, because we saw a bit of amber in the serial killer episode (when the professor looked down the street, saw an ambered area, and asked "where am I?"). The amber is used to fix holes that are the aftereffects of Walter having broken into their reality.
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post #24 of 192
10/2/11 at 2:05pm
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Walter mentioned about Peter dying twice in the opener of the season.
??? I must have missed that. I don't recall Walter making any reference to Peter in the opener.
He didn't say Peter's name, but he said to Agent Lee - "People die. It happens. Sometimes they even die twice." I took that as referring to Peter. The quote is on the Fringi wiki:
http://fringepedia.net/wiki/Neither_Here_Nor_There
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post #25 of 192
10/2/11 at 3:08pm
It's too bad Peter calls his dad "Walter." He might get a better response if he said, "Dad, it's me! Help!" tongue.gif
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post #26 of 192
10/3/11 at 12:46am
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I was expecting some kind of creepy twist with Marjorie and that box. What was that all about?



I could be wrong (because I often am) but the killer said something like he was sorry he took her away from him. My impression was that the teacher no longer remembered Marjorie because the memory of her was transplanted into the serial killer. Therefore, the teacher now has nothing to hold back his demons...

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post #27 of 192
10/3/11 at 8:02am
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I could be wrong (because I often am) but the killer said something like he was sorry he took her away from him. My impression was that the teacher no longer remembered Marjorie because the memory of her was transplanted into the serial killer. Therefore, the teacher now has nothing to hold back his demons...

Yes, he took the memory of Marjorie and her interactions with him away, but he still retained the lessons he learned from Marjorie which was what Broyles said at the end. So, even though he doesn't remember learning how to hold back his demons he still knows how to do so.
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post #28 of 192
10/3/11 at 10:22am
The 'die twice' quote can easily mean a ton of things. We just don't know what happened in this reality or how/why they are able to communicate and cross over with the other side.

We DO know that Olivia still switched places in order to get the machine parts. We just don't know the details. Interestingly enough, Olivia's escape/return did NOT include the death/murder of the other Broyles.

We also have not yet seen Walternate in this reality.

The one thing that is clear is that the adult Peter never existed and things are different because of it. Yet, there seems to be a 'hole' in Olivia and in Walter left by the 'erasure'. While Walter is more sensitive to that 'hole' and is seeing visions or Peter and hearing him, Olivia seems to still be unaware of what is up.
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post #29 of 192
10/3/11 at 11:06am
I understand that part. I was specifically referring to the memory that showed Marjorie going into the barn and opening a wooden box. What was in the box? And what did it have to do with how things turned out?
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I could be wrong (because I often am) but the killer said something like he was sorry he took her away from him. My impression was that the teacher no longer remembered Marjorie because the memory of her was transplanted into the serial killer. Therefore, the teacher now has nothing to hold back his demons...

Yes, he took the memory of Marjorie and her interactions with him away, but he still retained the lessons he learned from Marjorie which was what Broyles said at the end. So, even though he doesn't remember learning how to hold back his demons he still knows how to do so.
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post #30 of 192
10/3/11 at 11:26am
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I understand that part. I was specifically referring to the memory that showed Marjorie going into the barn and opening a wooden box. What was in the box? And what did it have to do with how things turned out?

I don't know for certain, but I'm assuming that the box is where he hid 'the dead things' he referred to. Probably killing chicks or puppies or something equally dark. That's how he knew he was sick. Marjorie found it, understood his sickness, and helped him overcome it.
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