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The Mentalist- Season 4

post #1 of 16
9/23/11 at 2:40am
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Just saw the season opener. What a cop out. Just shows this show can't survive without the Red John subplot. And after such a strong Season finale last season. And jury nullification. Come on. Oh well. Maybe it was just me confused.gif
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post #2 of 16
9/23/11 at 1:48pm

I thought it was going to turn out that Patrick had hypnotized the jury! Anyway, I agree. A big letdown.

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post #3 of 16
9/23/11 at 4:45pm
Other than the very end of it, I thought it was pretty entertaining. The verdict in the trial was ridiculous, and yeah, the twist ending was ridiculous. Even if they wanted to keep Red John alive, I feel like it'd have been better if Jane started feeling closure from shooting Bradley Whitford's character, and then later on he got a message or warning from Red John.

That being said, once they found that secret room, the MO didn't match Red John's at all, so maybe that wouldn't have worked.
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post #4 of 16
9/23/11 at 7:23pm

But what tipped Patrick off about the grieving widow that made him suspicious of her? She seemed utterly convincing in her devotion to her husband, but what led him to pull the key trick on her? Usually, he explains after the fact what made him go after someone who otherwise appears innocent, but unless I was out of the room for a moment, I never heard his reasons for suspecting her of something nefarious.

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post #5 of 16
9/23/11 at 8:36pm
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Originally Posted by MattH. View Post

But what tipped Patrick off about the grieving widow that made him suspicious of her? She seemed utterly convincing in her devotion to her husband, but what led him to pull the key trick on her? Usually, he explains after the fact what made him go after someone who otherwise appears innocent, but unless I was out of the room for a moment, I never heard his reasons for suspecting her of something nefarious.


I'm not sure that he was suspicious of the widow herself, to be honest. It seemed to me more like he just wanted to plant a seed of doubt in her mind in order to see what secrets she would try to find after that, and then it turned out that she was involved.
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post #6 of 16
9/24/11 at 8:48am
One thing that bugged me a little was all the resistance to their investigation. I mean, if everyone is going to bring up the fact they don't have a warrant and then drop it after 30 seconds and let them do whatever they want anyway, it ends up being empty filler. I mean, what's the point of bringing it up if there isn't going to be a serious roadblock there?
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post #7 of 16
9/26/11 at 4:51pm
Why was there no further investigation into the death of the security guard? That bugged me. I thought that would have been mentioned again.

I was wondering about the different MO with the girl, but I was thinking that this might have been the wife's hobby and Red John was indulging her.
So until Jane said that "Carter" wasn't Red John, I thought he was going to be trying to dismantle Red John's surviving organization for the rest of the series.
I think that would have still worked. Instead we are practically getting back to square one in that respect.
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post #8 of 16
9/30/11 at 9:20pm
So any thoughts who Red John is?

I think it could be two possible suspects... Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Either the old boss Virgil Minelli or the new boss Gale Bertram...But, my ultimate mind-screw is the Patrick Jane is Red John. He is so good at manipulating people and getting them to do his bidding. It would be very Fight Clubish. smiley_wink.gif
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post #9 of 16
10/1/11 at 7:22am
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So any thoughts who Red John is?

I don't care anymore.

I feel a little like the greyhound that caught the fake rabbit at the dog track. I'll still watch but I won't be so quick to fall for the "Red" herrings.

Todd, you may have to add a line to your "John Doe" signature (which I agree with, by the way) that says "Tell us who Red John is" if they end the series without resolving things. I wouldn't be surprised if they never tell us.
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post #10 of 16
10/1/11 at 12:18pm

I've always liked Reed Diamond's acting, so I was hopeful that he was going to be worked into the series at least on a recurring basis. I was a bit disappointed he had to be the scapegoat so Lisbon could get her team back.

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post #11 of 16
10/1/11 at 9:57pm
Todd, your last suspect in your spoiler would be a real trick since Jane was plastic wrapped in a chair when Red John killed two or three people in Jane's presence. I'm not a big fan of shows misleading viewers and kind of felt like the show pulled a fast one with Carter. I suspect that the entire Red John situation will not be resolved into the series concludes and will be handling any future revelations with a rather large grain of salt. I still enjoy the show primarily because of Simon Baker, but am mildly disappointed with the storyline and the undoing of last season's finale.

- Walter.
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post #12 of 16
10/2/11 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by Steve_Pannell View Post

I don't care anymore.
I feel a little like the greyhound that caught the fake rabbit at the dog track. I'll still watch but I won't be so quick to fall for the "Red" herrings.

I don't care anymore either. And I have stopped watching as a result.
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post #13 of 16
10/8/11 at 8:09pm
The finale in the last season when Red John was "killed" always bothered me. It was just too easy to kill RJ. Once Jane was convinced, just pull a trigger and he's dead. The evil genius who has always been a least one step ahead of everyone got caught flatfooted like that? Still I was happy to drop the RJ storyline.

The season opener just teemed with lazy writing. All in one episode Jane raises the money for bail and then gets exonerated by the Jury. I know this is not reality, but it was still too farfetched. Lazy writing.

However, I like the character and the show. If it's as much fun as most of the episodes have been, I'll continue to watch. I just hope the season opener wasn't the moment when the show "jumped the shark."
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post #14 of 16
10/12/11 at 6:28am
I agree they could have dragged the jail time out for two or three episodes. Would have been interesting to see Jane solve cases from jail.
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post #15 of 16
10/14/11 at 1:48pm

I thoroughly enjoyed the latest episode. True, the new boss may have been younger, but he was the usual standard-issue stubborn boss who must do things his way, but this looks to be a more good-natured foe for the team to cope with. I'll look forward to more episodes with him as a nemesis for the team.

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post #16 of 16
11/15/11 at 11:45am
He's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!!!! Or is he???????
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