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Shout! Factory: Why the different lease patterns?

post #1 of 24
8/15/11 at 10:18pm
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I just don't get this. I mean, for example:

Shout! licensed the entire runs of Ironside, McHale's Navy and Marcus Welby from NBC/Universal.

Yet they only licensed seasons 1-4 of Rhoda from Fox and seasons 4 and 5 of The Facts of Life from Sony.

What's up with that may I ask?

And no, I am not starting an I HATE SHOUT FACTORY bandwagon. Don't say that, don't even imply that.
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post #2 of 24
8/16/11 at 9:54am

Maybe the studios only let them have those seasons?

 

Their relationship with Sony I don't get. Some shows they can get whole series of in one fell swoop, others it's hand-to-mouth.

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post #3 of 24
8/16/11 at 10:17am
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Originally Posted by vnisanian2001 View Post

And no, I am not starting an I HATE SHOUT FACTORY bandwagon. Don't say that, don't even imply that.

Just because you've been critical of Shout before doesn't mean that you can't ask a fair question about their operation. However, your posts don't exist in a vacuum. It's not fair to complain about Shout in multiple threads and then act like anyone that might point that out is persecuting you.
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post #4 of 24
8/16/11 at 5:30pm
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That was meant to be in reference to what ToddR2 said to me another thread. He said that I was having an I HATE SHOUT FACTORY bandwagon and that he wouldn't jump on it, when I never said such a thing, I never implied such a thing. I was just offering my opinion on a particular situation. It had nothing to do with me hating on Shout! Factory or not.
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post #5 of 24
8/16/11 at 8:39pm
Hey What about Peyton Place??? We were told sales were good. Brian Ward made many statements but everyone forgets what Cliff Mac said here in this forum that it did not sell well for Shout. Brian in the end did say they were not willing to pay more the same or LESS for PP. The less part has always been the key word for me. Less is what i think Shout wanted to pay. Hey my opinion and not a statement of fact let me make that clear. I end with a thankyou to Shout for even doing Peyton Place.
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post #6 of 24
8/16/11 at 8:43pm
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For me, my thought as to why some of the lease patterns are different depending on the show, is that they feel that some of the older shows have the potential of doing better than others.

And yes, that's one thing I don't get about Peyton Place. It said on the What's the hold-up FAQ that the first two volumes sold well enough.
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post #7 of 24
8/17/11 at 12:48pm
Nice try Travis, but I didn't think that it would work.redface.gif
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post #8 of 24
8/17/11 at 3:25pm
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Originally Posted by vnisanian2001 View Post

I just don't get this. I mean, for example:

Shout! licensed the entire runs of Ironside, McHale's Navy and Marcus Welby from NBC/Universal.

Yet they only licensed seasons 1-4 of Rhoda from Fox and seasons 4 and 5 of The Facts of Life from Sony.

What's up with that may I ask?

And no, I am not starting an I HATE SHOUT FACTORY bandwagon. Don't say that, don't even imply that.

We do not have all the seasons of IRONSIDE. We are done with the series unless we pay more to acquire the later seasons and we are still analyzing the series to see if we can make the numbers work.
Fox made the choice to only license us some seasons. On FACTS, we picked only two seasons in case they didn't sell. Remember Sony gave up on the show due to poor sales. They did ok for us.
MARCUS WELBY has not performed well hence no season 3
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post #9 of 24
8/17/11 at 3:46pm
Peyton Place Mr. Mac has no music rights and was not restored. Brian told us the series did sell and we are getting conflicting arguemnts here. I wonder if for Peyton Place fans you could give us an answer.
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post #10 of 24
8/17/11 at 3:54pm
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Originally Posted by Mark Collins View Post

Peyton Place Mr. Mac has no music rights and was not restored. Brian told us the series did sell and we are getting conflicting arguemnts here. I wonder if for Peyton Place fans you could give us an answer.

Yes, it didn't have music issues, but It didn't sell well enough.
We know there is a fan base, but we found out it wasn't big enough to support another release at the same licensing fee as the first two sets. We made a smaller offer to Fox and it wasn't accepted.
You'll need to petition Fox for a release of more episodes.... at least they could put it up digitally somewhere.
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post #11 of 24
8/17/11 at 4:17pm
Cliff Mac, thank you for your information re: these shows. I have no doubt there will be many diasppointed by the info you've shared, but I, for one, am grateful for the clarification about several shows.
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post #12 of 24
8/17/11 at 4:40pm
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I blame the neverending economic meltdown for all of this. This wouldn't have been the case if the economy didn't got astray.

Just about all of those shows Cliff mentioned would have been strong sellers had it not been for that.
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post #13 of 24
8/17/11 at 7:27pm

Just wanted to say "thank you" to Cliff for the updates and his willingness to interact with HTF so regularly.

 

Yes, the Ironside news is disappointing but I certainly don't expect Shout to release these out of charity.  Best wishes for continued success to the great team at Shout.

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post #14 of 24
8/17/11 at 7:59pm
Yes for all of us who enjoy 20th Century Fox Program's it is a bad night. I have received the news on Peyton Place tonight as just very poor judgement on the part of FOX Studios. We all know that i have always come to the defense of Fox. I just cannot sit here tonight and do that. Shout! Factory was our one and only shot for Peyton Place. The rest of the Fox shows might be taken over by Acorn Media. I posted that Acorn was very interested in getting the rights to some of the Fox shows. So to the fans of the other programs do not give up hope yet.
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post #15 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:07pm
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Acorn Media? But their format is PAL, and I hate PAL. And where did you post that about Acorn Media?
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post #16 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:16pm
Hi Vahan I posted it on the Peyton/Dallas or Peyton Place/Shout thread. Acorn emailed me that they were right in the middle of looking for rights to TV shows owned by Fox. I asked the same question you did. The programs would be for the US too. The email even stated they would ask about Peyton Place because it was and is popular in the UK.
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post #17 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:19pm
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Besides Peyton Place, what other Fox shows did Acorn Media express interest in?
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post #18 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:28pm
Let me take a moment to note again how Fox appeared to pull the same stunt on VCI with "Burke's Law" which IMO is the one stalled Fox title more than any other that needs to be picked up and finished at long last! (in terms of titles previously licensed to another company that are now stalled)
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post #19 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Jack P View Post

Let me take a moment to note again how Fox appeared to pull the same stunt on VCI with "Burke's Law" which IMO is the one stalled Fox title more than any other that needs to be picked up and finished at long last! (in terms of titles previously licensed to another company that are now stalled)

It wouldn't hurt to keep constantly bugging Fox to death. Maybe then that will snap them back into reality. smile.gif
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post #20 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:36pm
sad news about Marcus Welby too frown.gif
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post #21 of 24
8/17/11 at 8:44pm
I think i have now found the one Peyton Place Fans used to email Fox
The email may be different now.
Foxconnect@orderassistance.com Phone 1-888-223-2369

Oh ya Vahan I knew i forgot something. Sorry they never gave titles but were very interested in Peyton Place and stated in the email they were in the middle of talking with Fox about programs that Acorn wished to obtain.
Edited by Mark Collins - 8/17/11 at 8:57pm
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post #22 of 24
8/18/11 at 1:38am
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Originally Posted by cliff mac View Post

 On FACTS, we picked only two seasons in case they didn't sell. Remember Sony gave up on the show due to poor sales. They did ok for us.

 

Sony gave up on a lot of shows. Just a heads up that you've got at least one customer for the remaining seasons right here.

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post #23 of 24
8/18/11 at 1:52pm
Peyton Plac of course but I wish Shout would pick up Sony's 70's Family Series. The show only had 2 season lef when Sony ended the release of it.
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post #24 of 24
8/23/11 at 12:12pm
Well, I'm sorry to hear that about Ironside. Since you are still weighing it, I'll put in my vote for continuance. I appreciate your commitment in putting out these older shows. I absolutely agree with the above that the economy has skewed the picture for all consumer purchasing for the time being. If the economy comes back, hopefully the ship will not have already sailed.
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