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With the labor dispute settled, players reporting to training camp, free agents being signed, and the pre-season games starting in two weeks, I thought it was a good time to start a new thread. After the quietest offseason in memory, it's nice to be able to discuss football again!
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^^^

Yes it is good to discuss NFL football again. Especially when it concerns the playoff-bound Detroit Lions.

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There's been lots of player movement already, even though free agents cannot officially be signed until Friday. Verbal agreements and player cuts include:

1. Matt Hassleback signing with Tennessee
2. Tavarias Jackson signing with Seattle
3. Donovan McNabb traded to Minnesota
4. Baltimore to cut MacGahee, Mason and Heap
5. Dallas to cut Barber, Roy Williams and Leonard Davis

There are rumors that Seattle may also sign Matt Leinhart. The Seahens may have the worst collection of QB's in the league -- competing with Washington, Carolina and Arizona. Rumors are that either Kolb or Orton will be traded to the Cardinals, though.

The Lions free agent focus will hopefully be at linebacker and cornerback. These are by far their weakest starting groups. They also need some depth on the offensive line.
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Sidney Rice signs with Seattle. Interesting move, spending big money on a WR when you have nobody to throw him the ball. Maybe the Seahawks are planning on winning the "Suck for Luck" sweepstakes this season. smile.gif

Albert Haynesworth is traded to New England for a fifth round draft pick in 2013. Washington was just trying to get him off the roster, as they did with McNabb.
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Reggie Bush is traded to Miami.

Ochocinco is traded to New England. The Pats just keep making good moves. This one is huge for them.
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I'm reminded of the season the Pats signed Rodney Harrison and Rosie Colvin over the course of a day or two. Big exciting deals for Pats fans. Of course, Colvin got hurt a few games into that season but Harrison worked out.
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I hope both Haynesworth and Ochocinco work out for New England. These guys have got to think that they at least have a better-than-average chance of acquiring a ring with the Patriots.
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I love the hate towards the Seahawks this board seems to have... 

 

I as a Seahawk fan I do not yet understand our QB plan... We are making moves on offense but not this position, these clipboard QB's drive me crazy.

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I love the hate towards the Seahawks this board seems to have... 

 

I as a Seahawk fan I do not yet understand our QB plan... We are making moves on offense but not this position, these clipboard QB's drive me crazy.


No hate involved -- just giving my opinion regarding their QB situation, which you seem to agree with. Seattle is just another team to me. My personal dislike is reserved for Dallas and Oakland.
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Originally Posted by dmiller68 View Post

I love the hate towards the Seahawks this board seems to have... 

 

I as a Seahawk fan I do not yet understand our QB plan... We are making moves on offense but not this position, these clipboard QB's drive me crazy.


No hate involved -- just giving my opinion regarding their QB situation, which you seem to agree with. Seattle is just another team to me. My personal dislike is reserved for Dallas and Oakland.

We agree on Dallas I dislike them as well but I still call them by their name. smile.gif Anyway I'm shocked if we where going to dis Matt that we didn't have a plan to get one in the draft or one of the top 3 available.
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We agree on Dallas I dislike them as well but I still call them by their name. smile.gif Anyway I'm shocked if we where going to dis Matt that we didn't have a plan to get one in the draft or one of the top 3 available.

I've been known to refer to Dallas as the Cowgirls and Minnesota as the ViQueens, so don't take it personally. smile.gif I usually reserve much more foul labels for our Lions. laugh.gif

The Bears have traded TE Greg Olsen to Carolina. Since Mike Martz has no clue on how to use a pass catching tight end, I guess the Bears at least got something for a decent receiver.
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New Orleans grabbing Sproles is a great pickup for them.  He's a hard runner with breakout speed potential, good receiving arms, and an incredible upgrade in the running game.  Yes, he's small and he'll never be an every down back.   But used in doses, he's worth it.

 

And he definitely fits their game better then Reggie Bush.

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Philly has made some nice moves. They get the big free agent prize -- CB Nnamdi Asomugha -- and also add Vince Young as a backup QB. Throw in CB Rogers-Cromartie from the trade with the Cards for QB Kolb, and the Eagles look like the favorites in the NFC East.
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According to his agent, Randy Moss is retiring. Since this comes from his agent, though, take it with a grain of salt... agents lie.
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I think the Seahawks have an interesting mix. I think we are going to regret not having the right QB. I'm pretty happy with the WR and TE pickups and we signed the key defensive players.

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Seattle's biggest advantage is playing in that horrible division. They added enough talent at positions other than QB to compete for the division title with St. Louis. Arizona seems headed in the wrong direction, and the 49ers are a mess.

I guess it's time for my 2011 predictions. With the lack of an offseason, young teams and those with new coaching staffs will be at a big disadvantage this year, so that is taken into account with my picks.

NFC North
1. Packers -- still the best in the division
2. Bears -- could finish anywhere from 2nd to 4th
3. Lions -- still one more good offseason away
4. Vikings -- headed in the wrong direction

NFC East
1. Eagles -- going for broke with all the acquisitions
2. Giants -- may not be as strong this year
3. Cowboys -- new coach, but roster not getting better
4. Redskins -- a disaster

NFC South
1. Saints -- tough to pick the top 3 in this division
2. Falcons
3. Bucs
4. Panthers -- better than last year, but play in tough division

NFC West
1. Rams -- going against my theory of young teams being at a disadvantage
2. Seahawks -- 2nd place by default
3. Cardinals -- keep losing players from Super Bowl team. Unproven QB.
4. 49ers -- Poor Jim Harbaugh

Wildcard: Falcons, Bucs

AFC North
1. Steelers -- have questions on OL
2. Ravens -- purged numerous veterans
3. Browns -- 3rd by default
4. Bengals -- another disaster

AFC East
1. Patriots -- added enough to stay ahead of NY
2. Jets -- still a bridesmaid
3. Bills -- 3rd by default
4. Dolphins -- yet another disaster in the making

AFC South
1. Texans -- the Colts have to not win the division eventually
2. Colts -- team getting older
3. Jags -- 3rd by default
4. Titans -- going in the wrong direction

AFC West
1. Chiefs -- best of a weak division
2. Broncos -- will finish lower if Tebow plays QB
3. Chargers -- will they finally fire Norv Turner?
4. Raiders -- new coach, same team

Wildcard: Jets, Colts

Super Bowl: Eagles over Patriots

#1 draft pick: Redskins, beating out Cincinnati and Miami
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Philly has made some nice moves. They get the big free agent prize -- CB Nnamdi Asomugha -- and also add Vince Young as a backup QB. Throw in CB Rogers-Cromartie from the trade with the Cards for QB Kolb, and the Eagles look like the favorites in the NFC East.



I think it should definitely translate to a division title for them, but how far in the playoffs, I'll just have to wait and see. Andy Reid's playcalling and time management tends to hold the team back.

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I think it should definitely translate to a division title for them, but how far in the playoffs, I'll just have to wait and see. Andy Reid's playcalling and time management tends to hold the team back.


Yes, Andy Reid's clock management skills have always been entertaining to watch. I think the Super Bowl is wide open this year, and struggled with who to pick in each conference. Every team has some flaws. Another concern for Philly is whether Michael Vick can (1) repeat last year's performance, and (2) stay healthy.

I picked the Eagles basically because I think the NFC is a little easier to predict this year than the AFC. The Steelers, Ravens and Colts could win their divisions, or not even make the playoffs. I think, barring injuries to critical players, the Eagles, Packers and Patriots are all very good bets to make the playoffs.
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AFC West
1. Chiefs -- best of a weak division
2. Broncos -- will finish lower if Tebow plays QB
3. Chargers -- will they finally fire Norv Turner?
4. Raiders -- new coach, same team
laugh.gif at the Broncos finishing 2nd. They'll finish last in the West regardless of who plays QB.
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laugh.gif at the Broncos finishing 2nd. They'll finish last in the West regardless of who plays QB.



My pick is more an indictment of San Diego slipping than the Broncos being good. This is the 2nd weakest division in the league -- behind the NFC West -- so it will not take much to finish 2nd.
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laugh.gif at the Broncos finishing 2nd. They'll finish last in the West regardless of who plays QB.
I think they should start Tebow and settle the question of how good he is once and for all. I'm tired of the debate. No one thinks Orton is a QB to build a team around.
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My pick is more an indictment of San Diego slipping than the Broncos being good. This is the 2nd weakest division in the league -- behind the NFC West -- so it will not take much to finish 2nd.

Still an incredibly poor pick since the Broncos were 4-12 last season and finished in last place four games behind the next team. They have not done enough to think they will be much better then cellar dwellers again this year. I figure it will be a contest between them and the Raiders for last but I would give the edge to the Broncos being the worst of those two teams.
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AFC West
1. Chiefs -- best of a weak division
2. Broncos -- will finish lower if Tebow plays QB
3. Chargers -- will they finally fire Norv Turner?
4. Raiders -- new coach, same team
Let's see, Turner won 2 playoff games his first year, 1 his second year, 0 his third year, and didn't make the playoffs his 4th year. Despite this definite trend, Charger management is apparently satisfied. His real strength is as an offensive coordinator and he's never going to be a championship head coach. But since management is satisfied with not winning it all, I'd say they are never going to fire him. There's talk this is a do-or-die year for him, but that's not the trend of management in SD. They fired MartyS after a 14-2 season, not because he couldn't win a playoff game, but because he wouldn't do as he was told.

Having said that, I think the chargers have improved themselves in the off-season and have the talent to win the West again. Special teams can't be that bad again, can they?
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AFC West
4. Raiders -- new coach, same team
Same owner, too.
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Still an incredibly poor pick since the Broncos were 4-12 last season and finished in last place four games behind the next team. They have not done enough to think they will be much better then cellar dwellers again this year. I figure it will be a contest between them and the Raiders for last but I would give the edge to the Broncos being the worst of those two teams.


The pick may be a stretch, but "incredibly poor"? That would be picking the Bengals to win the Super Bowl. laugh.gif Anyway, my viewpoint is that the Raiders will be horrible, so the Broncos just need to beat out the Chargers for 2nd place, and San Diego has gotten worse every year under Turner (as Johnny pointed out). Oakland lost three of their best players to free agency -- Asomugha, Zach Miller, and Robert Gallery. They also have the worst starting QB in the division, now that Denver is not trading Orton.
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Well, the Lions made some good moves after they received word that M. Leshoure would be out for the year. I don't know all that much about either Harrison or Bell, but from what I'm hearing this morning, they will be welcome additions to the roster. Now if the Lions could solidify that offensive line, they'd be in relatively decent shape for the start of the season.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6846542/detroit-lions-sign-jerome-harrison-mike-bell
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It's really a shame about the Leshoure injury. Achilles injuries are career-threatening, so this young player could possibly be done before his career ever got started.

Neither of the running backs are word beaters, but Mike Bell should be able to fill in for the role that Leshoure was slated for -- inside running presence and short yardage. He's a decent blocker, too, so he can help in pass protection. Harrison has been a tease his entire career -- he had a 275+ yard game against the Chiefs once, but has either been hurt or inconsistent. He's smaller, so would probably be considered as more a backup for Best instead of a replacement for Leshoure.

As you said, though, everything depends on the offensive line. Their top three tackles have all been hurt at the start of training camp, and there is not much depth at any of the OL positions.
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I watched a little of the Pittsburgh - Philly preseason game last night, and was surprised by the condition of Byron Leftwich. I remember him as a slow tub of goo during his time in Jacksonville. Last night he looked trim and fit, and seemed to move better in the pocket. Did he finally decide to get in shape, or his my memory of him with the Jags distorted (I didn't see them play very often)?
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Scott,

I watched about a half of that game as well. The Redskins looked much better than they did last year, but it's really tough to gauge since this is the pre-season.

BTW, your favorite quarterback -- Batch -- was out there for a time! smile.gif
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I didn't know Batch was still with Pittsburgh. I always liked him when he was in Detroit. Charlie was a smart QB who just didn't have the physical skills to be a full-time starter. He's one of the QB's I always wanted to do a Frankenstein type of experiment with -- putting his brain in Scott Mitchell's body. Mitchell had all the physical tools to be a fine QB, but there was a huge void between the ears.
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