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post #31 of 48
8/7/11 at 6:57pm
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Well actually that strategy was developed by Fox Music in conjunction with the American Federation of Musicians and it's been a brilliant strategy that allows a lot of niche products to see the light of day. Licensing fees and royalties are paid a bit differently than they usually are, based on the limited number of units, say 1,000 or 3,000 or whatever it turns out to be.

See, that right there reminds me of another title I would kick in a premium for- Looking For Mr. Goodbar. In this case, the premium goes to pay for music rights, which has kept this title from being in anyones dvd collection. If I'm reading that quote correctly- limited edition sizes could be the hope for all those titles that are stuck in limbo due to music licensing issues.

But as is the case I see with all these 'exclusives', part of the upside to higher buy-in price is the belief the product will not lose it's re-sale value the way common open ended mass market releases do. If something is exclusive and in a very finite supply, it's not going to show up for sale new in a $5 bin making the copy you own almost worthless as far as resale.. Based on condition, quantity made, and continued demand- it could easily retain it's full retail price (even when it is used), or even go up in value.
For people like me that collect hearitly, but also sell off quite a bit periodically to make room for new stuff, maintaining a good resale value is a significant selling point. And one that may often be worth some kind of premium.
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post #32 of 48
8/7/11 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by Mark_TB View Post

There are a lot of false assumptions being made about Twilight Time and THE EGYPTIAN, so I thought I'd try to clarify some of the points that have been raised here.


Thanks for that clarification, it makes a lot more sense than the idea that Twilight Time is somehow a Fox subsidiary.  I hope it works for them (and, as I've said in the other thread I'm glad it has allowed people who, otherwise, would not get a quality release of a title they loved.)  

 

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post #33 of 48
8/8/11 at 11:00am
The assumption is that there is little demand for The Egyptian. How does the demand for Quo Vadis compare? It was released for a broader audience. There's more demand for it than The Egyptian?
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post #34 of 48
8/8/11 at 1:48pm
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell View Post

The assumption is that there is little demand for The Egyptian. How does the demand for Quo Vadis compare? It was released for a broader audience. There's more demand for it than The Egyptian?


I'm just glad I was able to snag myself  a copy of Criterion's Technicolor MIKADO (1939) before they were all SNAPPED up! smiley_wink.gif

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post #35 of 48
8/8/11 at 7:51pm
I think that the problem is the whole premise of being able do a top notch transfer of most of these movies and still turn a profit which is certainly not always possible with the numbers we know of for The Egyptian.

So realistic releases would probably be those where the studios have done their homework with regard to having a proper master that could be used for a Blu-Ray release but where for other reasons no release is planned from the studio side. A good example might be the Boetticher Westerns at Sony that could be released on Blu-Ray if Sony would license them to a company like Twilight.
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post #36 of 48
8/8/11 at 8:12pm
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Originally Posted by Stephen_J_H View Post

Here's the thing: Twilight Time is actually a Fox label. Personally, I think that the idea of paying a premium for obscure titles in a limited edition is nothing new, but it might boost the studios' bottom lines in their digital media sales, if only temporarily. At best, it's a band-aid solution.


No, they are independant.  They have started with Fox, but from what I understand, they are eventually looking to expand to other studios/releases.
 

 

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post #37 of 48
8/8/11 at 8:21pm

List is subject to change at any time

The Four Feathers (just announced by Criterion......YES!)

Down With Love

Original Versions of Star Wars Trilogy

Operation Pacific

They Were Expendable

Multiple (additional) John Wayne, Cary Grant or Bob Hope films

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post #38 of 48
8/8/11 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Gregorich View Post

The Four Feathers (just announced by Criterion......YES!)

 



Woooohoooooo! Yay! I am in for any three-strip Technicolor on Blu (it's a shame though that nobody seems to have footage of the full original British print running something like 133 minutes, but oh well)

 

Sign me up!

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post #39 of 48
8/8/11 at 8:53pm
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I might have $40 to spend on a box-set now and then. I just might. But I don't have $40 to spend on a single DVD. Forget it. No matter how badly I want it. No way. Out of the question.

Same here. I'll drop $35 for four movies in the Alien Anthology set and $27 for three movies in the Matrix Trilogy set, but I rarely spend more than ten bucks for an individual movie. The most I've spent on a single movie in the last two years was importing the Blu-Ray of Obsession from the UK for roughly $27, and the fact that I sold the OOP DVD of the film to Amazon for a robust $14 brought the total price of the Blu down to about $13, which was totally worth it for the excellent new transfer and the screenplay booklet. Money is tight, and no matter how much I might want a particular movie, I'm willing to wait for the cheapest possible price before I purchase it, even if it means waiting for months in not years after it's released. I could have bought the Back To The Future trilogy set on Blu for about $50 last November, but I waited, and got it for fifteen bucks a month or so back. biggrin.gif
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post #40 of 48
8/9/11 at 5:43am
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Originally Posted by Johnny Angell View Post

The assumption is that there is little demand for The Egyptian. How does the demand for Quo Vadis compare? It was released for a broader audience. There's more demand for it than The Egyptian?

You'll never get sales figures from these huge companies, but you can tell how good a title did by what's released next. The Robe can't have done that well or Fox would have released The Egyptian themselves (& Fox would have done better not to region lock The Robe!). And with Quo Vadis, Warner have a lot of colourful adventure films from that time, & two big epics, Helen Of Troy & Land Of The Pharaohs, & no sign of any of that lot...so far.
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post #41 of 48
8/9/11 at 7:53am
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You'll never get sales figures from these huge companies, but you can tell how good a title did by what's released next. The Robe can't have done that well or Fox would have released The Egyptian themselves (& Fox would have done better not to region lock The Robe!). And with Quo Vadis, Warner have a lot of colourful adventure films from that time, & two big epics, Helen Of Troy & Land Of The Pharaohs, & no sign of any of that lot...so far.

I don't think that is necessarily true. While The Egyptian may have its adherents, it has never been a particularly popular film. The Robe and Quo Vadis have been famous as classics from the time of their release. Also, they have the added attraction of appealing to people who want a Bible-based story. The Egyptian never set the world on fire. Studio attempts to make a star out of Edmond Purdom did not succeed; hence a paucity of releases featuring him. So, I would not take Fox's failure to release The Egyptian as any indicator about how well the 2 aforementioned Biblical epics performed.

The screenshots and reviews of The Egyptian make it look tempting to me; but I really do not care for the movie enough to shell out the bucks for it.
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post #42 of 48
8/9/11 at 8:52am
THE LION IN WINTER
Murnau's FAUST
Lang's DIE NIBELUNGEN

Definitely worth $40 each!
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post #43 of 48
8/9/11 at 9:01am
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Originally Posted by David_B_K View Post


I don't think that is necessarily true. While The Egyptian may have its adherents, it has never been a particularly popular film. The Robe and Quo Vadis have been famous as classics from the time of their release. Also, they have the added attraction of appealing to people who want a Bible-based story. The Egyptian never set the world on fire. Studio attempts to make a star out of Edmond Purdom did not succeed; hence a paucity of releases featuring him. So, I would not take Fox's failure to release The Egyptian as any indicator about how well the 2 aforementioned Biblical epics performed.

The screenshots and reviews of The Egyptian make it look tempting to me; but I really do not care for the movie enough to shell out the bucks for it.

Yep, mind you I'd hardly call The Robe a classic, even if it had no region lock I still wouldn't have bought it. I find it a bit of a drag. I suppose that's what this thread is all about, I wouldn't have bought The Robe for $10, but happily bought The Egyptian for $40. Some films are important to you & some arn't. I think it's amazing we got The Egyptian before Cleopatra (if we ever get Cleopatra!!).
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post #44 of 48
8/9/11 at 9:34am
I actually waited quite a bit for The Robe to come down in price myself. It may not be a real classic; but the moniker of "1st CinemaScope film" will always keep it famous. Too bad about the region lock, though. My Quo Vadis is an all-region BD I ordered from the UK.
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post #45 of 48
8/9/11 at 10:42am
1. A Matter of Life and Death
2. Empire of the Sun
3. The Apartment
4. How Green was my Valley
5. A Lion in Winter

I figure I'll at least get numbers two and three off that list. I'd definitely pay 80 for A Matter of Life and Death on blu.
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post #46 of 48
8/9/11 at 12:16pm
For me, I would consider anything over $20 to be a "premium." I don't think I would ever spend over $30 on a single film (especially one that was also available on DVD), and for me to spend over $20 would take a very, very special item.

My days of big movie spendin' are long gone. . .
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post #47 of 48
8/9/11 at 12:49pm

One more title I would go serious money for, right now:

Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, with the 3 1/2 hours of deleted scenes available and preferably inserted in via seamless branching.

 

 

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post #48 of 48
8/9/11 at 1:20pm
I'd spend $30 for a restored, "director's cut" Bluray (or even a DVD) of Michael Mann's The Keep, esp with the original soundtrack from Tangerine Dream. I know it will never happen, sadly.

I'd also pay a premium for a restored Bluray of Nicolas and Alexandra
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