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post #121 of 131
11/30/11 at 8:04pm
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I asked my friend, Martin Hart, of the Wide Screen Museum, keeper of all things optical, to do a test with the actual lenses.

Attached is are two digital shots, marked for reference of a rare CinemaScope 55 lens, which kindly sat for the image, as seen by CinemaScope and Technirama optics of the era.

While the notorious "mumps" are seen at the top, the Technirama optic virtually perfect.  The tiny distortion we see may have been a part of the quick shoot.

Robert; could you be so kind as to explain the above so that even an idiot like myself can understand? Are you saying the distortion is part of the film itself and not as a result of any error in the transfer?

My copy arrived today - I couldn't be more pleased.
 


Apologies, John

 

The tests show that the distortion is not a product of the original optics, but rather, the decompression of the transfer

 

R

 

 

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post #122 of 131
12/1/11 at 1:11am
Thank you Robert; it was "The tiny distortion we see may have been a part of the quick shoot" that had me a little baffled. It's harder to spot in motion than I'd thought from various caps and thankfully doesn't impinge - for me at least - on the overall experience. I'd still hope, however, for a fix down the line...
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post #123 of 131
12/1/11 at 8:21am


Sorry a slight of hand trick I performed on my self.  There is no post.
 

 


 

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post #124 of 131
12/1/11 at 8:26am

What a disappointment.  Now you owe us one!

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post #125 of 131
12/16/11 at 6:26am
I just screened the new Big Country Blu Ray on my reference system, an Electrohome Marquee projection system from HDMI Blu Ray output and noticed the improper squeeze, but also became concerned about a "pulsing or flickering" in the image pretty much throughout.

Any comments of this defect in the transfer. It is a faint change in brightness.

Rich Burgess
RB Multi-Media
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post #126 of 131
12/16/11 at 2:16pm

See post #25

 

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/312356/a-few-words-about-the-big-country-in-blu-ray#post_3823502
 

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I just screened the new Big Country Blu Ray on my reference system, an Electrohome Marquee projection system from HDMI Blu Ray output and noticed the improper squeeze, but also became concerned about a "pulsing or flickering" in the image pretty much throughout.
Any comments of this defect in the transfer. It is a faint change in brightness.
Rich Burgess
RB Multi-Media


 

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post #127 of 131
12/17/11 at 1:47pm
I see the earlier comments about the pulsing exposures being a defect in lab separations. I guess I am confused a bit. An earlier post by Mr. Harris says the original materials had faded.

But then he states that a defect in lab processing in the separations caused the flicker.

If the original Technirama Eastman elements had started fading, was this the source of the restoration? Separations would generally be the original black & white materials sensitive to each color used originally by Technicolor to create original dye transfer release prints.

Are these newer separations that were made much later instead of in 1958? If the separations were made from faded material that would answer this question.
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post #128 of 131
12/22/11 at 8:20am
I discover you , if I may be so bold, not only as a great archivist, but as a movie buff with his heart in the right place.
THE BIG COUNTRY cannot be overpraised, the same goes for Technirama.
FRANZ PLANER links another great movie: THE UNFORGIVEN (HUSTON)
Thank you for your work. I was getting tired of getting through tens of Amazon reviews to find a BR appraisal.
Olivier Comte
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post #129 of 131
12/22/11 at 8:32am
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I see the earlier comments about the pulsing exposures being a defect in lab separations. I guess I am confused a bit. An earlier post by Mr. Harris says the original materials had faded.
But then he states that a defect in lab processing in the separations caused the flicker.

If the original Technirama Eastman elements had started fading, was this the source of the restoration? Separations would generally be the original black & white materials sensitive to each color used originally by Technicolor to create original dye transfer release prints.
Are these newer separations that were made much later instead of in 1958? If the separations were made from faded material that would answer this question.


The work was performed from the OCN, which had faded.  AMPAS, which did the restoration, did everything possible at the time to create the finest possible image.  While I originally presumed that seps had been used, that information was incorrect.

 

RAH

 

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post #130 of 131
12/22/11 at 10:41am
Previous versions on LaserDisc and DVD do not have the pulsing effect at all. If the OCN was used, then color correction was done to improve the image quality, so what is causing the pulsing?
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post #131 of 131
12/22/11 at 10:54am
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Previous versions on LaserDisc and DVD do not have the pulsing effect at all. If the OCN was used, then color correction was done to improve the image quality, so what is causing the pulsing?


Most probably caused by an unequally faded yellow dye layer.

 

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