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Avr 1912 or Rx-v671, your thoughts?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hello.  I currently have a Sony STR-DG820 a/v receiver and a set of Klipsch Quintet 5.1 speakers, and a Klipsch powered sub (dont remember the model number)  I am thinking of doing some upgrading.

 

I will have to take it slow and do it one step at a time.  Right now, I have been doing some reading on different a/v receivers.  I know there are alot of brands out there, problem is, here in Corpus, there are few actual stores that deal in home theater equipment.  There are a couple, but they carry limited brands.  Then there are the big box stores, like best buy.  Basically, there really isn't a place where you can go and listen to different set ups.  The brands that seem to be sold around here are Denon, Yamaha, and Pioneer, and Sony. 

 

In the past, I have had Yamaha and Paradigm setup, and it was good.  I have been looking at the Denon Avr 1912 and the Yamaha Rx-v671.  They both seem to be good receivers.  The problem with the Denon is that it isnt satellite radio ready.  The Yamaha has Sirius satellite radio as well as SiriusXM internet radio.  They both do Rhaposdy and other online music. 

 

I have also looked at the Pioneer VSX 1021 K, but heard the amp on those are not as strong as others.

 

The issue is, it seems they are both rated at about 90w/ch.  The current Sony I have is rated at 110w/ch.  However, the Sony is older and I am wondering if dropping down in watts, even though I am getting a newer model would make any difference in the sound?

 

I don't know how Sony rates the STR-DG820.  I know it is a 7.1 receiver and is rated at 110w/ch, but i'm not sure if that's all channels driven or just 2 ch.  I'm leaning toward the Yamaha, but on their site, they list this receiver as 90w/ch 20Hz-20Khz @ 8 ohms at .08%TH, 2 channels driven.  I would assume that having an amp that can drive 90w/ch all channels driven would be better.  I guess what I am wondering is, do all the receivers now rate their amps at 2 channels driven?  If they do, is this a bad thing?  The way I understand it is, this means that under a load, like during busy action sequences, the amp cant power all 5 or 7 channels as well as an amp that can power all channels.  One store salesman explained to me that the channels driven is really only an issue when you have the amp at max power, and that if you are listening at moderate levels, it will power all channels just fine.

 

As far as speakers.  I live in a small apartment, so I dont want to get too big.  Rather than going with tower speakers, I think I am going to stick with bookshelf speakers.  I have had Paradigm monitor 9's in the past, and they sounded ok.  I'm wondering how someone would compare the BIC speakers or the Axiom speakers to those.  From what their website says, I can get Axiom, or even SVS bookshelf speakers for the same or less than what I would pay for a set of Paradigm speakers.

 

Anyway, I appreciate your time, and would like to hear what you guys think of the difference between these receivers, or maybe some other suggestions

post #2 of 17

I have Axiom speakers and like them a lot.  (I have the M22s and M3 bookshelf, and while I like them both, I'd recommend the M22s more; especially with a sub.)   From what I understand the Axioms have a similar sound to the Paradigms.  The reason for this is that they are both based on design research from Canada's NRC.  Axiom has a decent return policy, just the cost of shipping, so there's limited risk in trying them out.

 

As for the receiver, I believe what you were told about all speakers being driven is correct.  I don't think dropping down from 110w to 90w is a very large decrease.  I think all the receivers you mention would suit your needs (although I'm not a big fan of Sony).  The power specs are hard to compare directly since they differ slightly on how they are computed.  But driving two speakers is a common approach.  Some manufacturers have a better rep in puffing up their specs less than others.  Harmon/Kardon has a rep for having strong amps.

post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 

Thanks for the reply.  I guess I put too much emphasis on getting top quality out of what I am willing to spend on equipment.  I should know that I am not going to get top of the line on the amount I can spend.  I am looking at around the $500-$600 range for a receiver.  So with that, I shouldn't expect to find receivers to deliver top quality performance I guess.  So, I suppose pretty much any receiver in this price range is probably going to perform about the same.  Sound right?  I guess i'm expecting too much lol.  I want excellent fidelity.  Crisp highs, solid bass, and clear mids.  But I kinda figure if I want all that, I better be ready to spend over $1000 on a receiver.

 

I think I am leaning toward the yamaha.  Reasons on this, it is satellite radio ready, plus it has pretty much all features that the denon has, and more.  Both are network receivers.  I've heard the GUI on the yamaha is better than the denons.  I THINK they both have 7 discrete power amps, im not sure.  I know the denon does, and I thought I read that yamaha does too.  Of course, the Denon has AudessyEQ and Audessy room calibration, yamaha uses YPAO.

 

The Denon has Dolby Pro logic IIz, and the yamaha doesnt, however, from my reading, the yamaha doesnt need it because it has its' own proprietary function (i think the Cinema DSP 3D), that does the same thing in allowing 3D height settings, allowing you get the same sound.

 

I may look in to getting some Axiom speakers.  The M22's look good for the price, however, it seems that the M3's have better sensitivity, at 96db (93 Aneochc) compared to the M22's 93db (89 Aneochic).  I'm wondering how that will affect them.

 

Anyway, still looking and thanks for the reply.

post #4 of 17

You could always look to a refurb Onkyo or Marantz from accessories4less.  You could get a higher-end model for the price of a mid-level, although refurbed.  They still have mfg warranty on them.

post #5 of 17

"Listening" to a receiver is MUCH LESS important than "listening" to speakers.  By and large, the receiver will have very little effect on the quality of the sound compared to the speakers you buy.

 

Choose a receiver based on the connectivity options it has and the decoding options you want/need.  Power numbers are meaningless - for volume, you want sensitive (efficient) speakers and for fidelity, you want (you guessed it) good speakers.  The 96dB sensitivity of those Axiom M3's means they require very little power to produce high SPL.  90 wpc with that kind of sensitivity should be more than enough.

 

Also, since budget is going to be a consideration, don't worry at all about going with a 7.1 speaker set for a while.  Get a 7.1 receiver if you plan on moving into a larger space at some point down the road (and since just about all receivers out there are 7.1 to begin with) but 7.1 is overkill for most rooms (you didn't mention the size of your space).  There's also very little native 7.1 program material, anyway.  Focus on a decent 5.1 system.

post #6 of 17

I agree with Jason, most of the influence on the sound is going to come from the speakers.  $500-600 is going to get you a good sounding receiver no matter what you pick.  What you get by going up from there is incrementally more power (meaning just a little but more for every couple hundred dollars you spend) and more noticeably more convenience features.

 

The main difference between the Axion M3 and the M22 is that the M22s are more neutral; the M3s have a slight boost in the low-mid-range to upper-bass region - take a look at the frequency response graph on their site.. This means that many people choose them when they are not using a sub.  I don't think you'll notice the sensitivity difference between the two.

 

If power is what you're after, you may want to consider going with a separate integrated amp, where you'll get much better performance for the added dollar spent.

post #7 of 17
I agree, the first thing to look at with the receiver is the features (inputs mainly). Does it have what you need. However, given the choice I would always go for Denon or Onkyo over Yamaha and Pioneer because I'm a HUGE fan of Audyssey EQ that comes with both.

As for the power, to hear a real difference, you would have to go from 90 watts to 180 just for a small 3db increase. To get 180 watts you are talking some serious money (even for separates).

BTW - I'm also an Axiom fan. I have M60's, VP150, and 4 QS8's. I have them paired with an Onkyo 705 (100 watts I think).
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 

I was looking at the Denon 1912.  I too have heard good things about Audyssey, the only problem with the 1912, and correct me if i'm wrong, but it is not satellite radio ready, which is a feature I want.

post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

Hey, was just looking over there at accessoriies4less, they have some good deals.  Glad I checked there first.  Looked at the Marantz SR5005, it has everything except network ability.  Looked at the Onkyo TX-NR708 for $499.  110w/ch, 106dB S/N, Ethernet, HD Radio ready, Sirius ready.  Looks to be pretty good.

 

I noticed something else on their site.  They list an Onkyo TX-NR 807 for $499 also.  This one is 135w/ch and has pretty much everything the 708 does, except for it uses the 1.3 version HDMI, and is not 3D capable.  I tried to find it on Onkyos site and it isnt listed.  Is this a discontinued item?  is the 708 actually a newer model than the 807?  I guess I kinda thought the higher the number, the newer, higher end it was.

 

Anyway, I may lean toward this Onkyo rather than the Yamaha.  I don't know much about Onkyo though.  How is their performance?  How well do their amps perform?  Are they pretty strong, or are they weak?

post #10 of 17

Onkyo is thought to offer more bang for the buck than most other receivers. However, that Marantz 5005 (new, not refurbished) for $499 with free shipping is real hard to beat. And it comes with a three year warranty.

 

Onkyo's are very good performers with pretty strong amp sections. They do tend to get a bit warm, even in stand-by mode. I have an Integra 8.9 (their version of the Onkyo 876) and I turn off the surge protector when not in use.

 

The first number in the Onkyo lettering system refers to it's performance level. The last refers to when it was available so the 807 would be higher up the line than the 707 but the 708 would be newer than the 707. The 708 is last years model (replaced this year by the 709) and the 807 is a two year old model.

 

If you go to the receivers page on Onkyo's website and look in the upper right-hand corner there's a link labeled "Show-All-Models". It will have all of their receivers from the last few years. The compare feature works very well.

 

 

post #11 of 17
That's such b*******! Have you ever had good klipsch speakers and tried different receivers? Probably not, i did! The difference is enormous!!! Ofcourse the difference with other speakers is big but don't forget a receiver has big influence!!

Thankyou!!

(to Jason)
post #12 of 17
I have a Yamaha RX-V659 (100w x 7) receiver and the sound is so clear, peppy, sweet, and musical. I am having no trouble driving my 4 ohm speakers with it, plus my L, R, and surrounds are only 88 db. I have no trouble filling a 16' x 20' x 9' room plus the kitchen that opens up from there. Yamaha makes great amps that are 4 ohm capable.

There is very little difference between 110 w and 90 w. It takes double the power of an amp to produce an extra 3 db of sound pressure.
post #13 of 17
Nope. Never heard "good" Klipsch speakers with any receiver. biggrin.gif

BTW - I agree with Jason's comments 100%.

If you wish to have a 'civil' discussion feel free to post back. If you only want to troll and tell us about your golden ears, feel free to move on.
post #14 of 17
I had the Klipsch 4.1 setup for PC, it rocked till the controller went out. Killer sound if you ask me, but then again you didnt. I would buy again, but now I have 4 Infinity SM-125's a SM-video and BU-2 powered sub. I also have all Infinity in my car. Everyone is different, thats why there are so many choices out there!!
post #15 of 17
I had the Klipsch 4.1 setup for PC, it rocked till the controller went out. Killer sound if you ask me, but then again you didnt. I would buy again, but now I have 4 Infinity SM-125's a SM-video and BU-2 powered sub. I also have all Infinity in my car. Everyone is different, thats why there are so many choices out there!!
post #16 of 17
Hi, I live in a apartment, with living room size of 14x20. Can you please recommend a excellent 5.1 receiver. I only care about quality sound but not the extra features like airplay, usb, bluetooth etc.

is Yamaha v371 receiver a good one ? I already bought Energy Take 5 speakers and Onkyo Subwoofer.

Should I consider Yamaha V671 receiver?


Thanks
Srikumar
post #17 of 17
All the Yamaha receivers from the 371 to the 671 will essentially sound the same, but the 671 has a stronger amp section but any of them should be O.K. for you and your Energy speakers. It also has a lot of the things you mentioned that you don't care about so maybe the 571 would be a better fit for you. You won't get that better amp section but you also won't be paying for a lot of features you won't be using. Avoid the 371 if you can as it doesn't offer any type of room correction. The others have Yamaha's YPAO automatic setup and eq feature.

The Denon 1912 is a fine receiver and has Audyssey's excellent MultEQ room correction feature. Also consider the Denon 1712 as well as the Pioneer 921/1021, Onkyo 509 and H/K 1650. You can get a better deal by buying last years models (like the H/K 1600) or a factory refurb from someplace like ac4l.com They handle Denon, Onkyo and Marantz refurbs. Marantz is at the top of my list for performance from a receiver but they are a little higher priced.
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