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Complexity vs Simplicity? To each their own value judgment.

 

It could also be characterized as Uniformity vs. Choice.
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http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-cream-sandwich-pictures-video-hands-on/

This is a screen to be excited about: 4.6", 1280x720 means >300 ppi at a higher res than the iPhone. That's pretty awesome. I'm curious to see how it works in the next iteration of devices and how Apple responds (if at all) with the iPhone 5 next year.Very cool!

 

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Engadget did not mention any laginess in their hands on.  Topolski "subtle laginess" may be another man's "zero lag".  Especially if Topolski is looking for anything that feels like lag, in which case he'll find it.

 

BTW, I don't think the writer of that article could have over-reacted any more to something he has zero experience with.  The title of the article is completely misleading.

 

ETA: I looked at that bloggers tweets, and to say he's an Uber Apple fanboy is an understatement.  The fact that he goes out of his way to start Android flamewars and is proud about it indicates that he's most likely an asshole with zero credibility.


Edited by Hanson - 10/19/11 at 1:33pm
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So someone who says he's always hated Android says negative things about it. What a shocker that is!
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http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/19/galaxy-nexus-vs-iphone-4s/

 

Good gravy, that's a big phone! When that gets to stores I've got to see it in person.

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http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/19/galaxy-nexus-vs-iphone-4s/

 

Good gravy, that's a big phone! When that gets to stores I've got to see it in person.

 


Good gravy that other phone is tiny!

 

It's 10mm taller than the Galaxy S2, but about the same width and .5mm thicker.  Still 5mm taller than my Epic Touch, but actually narrower and 1mm thinner.

 

BTW, I am not arguing that it's not big.  It's fricken huge.

 

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John Gruber (@gruber)
10/19/11 6:06 PM
Marketing slogan for Galaxy Nexus: "We're gonna need a bigger pants."
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Are you seriously callig JT an iPhone fanboy? For reals? /boggle

I can only imagine your next defense when others show the observation to be true.
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I was referring to the blogger as the fanboy, not Topolsky.  But yes, there are Android memes that JT likes to go on about, and one of them is "lagginess".  If you're looking for lagginess, you'll see it.  Frankly, calling it "subtle" lagginess sounds like hedging anyway.  Is it laggy or not?

 

Again, the Engadget crew thought it felt faster than the Galaxy S2, and that is not a laggy phone by any stretch. 

 

For any idiot blogger to deduce that the Nexus Prime is a laggy and defective phone solely on Topolsky's equivocal commentary is hogwash.  That would be like me reading that Siri missed a few words to hysterically conclude that voice recognition on the iPhone is broken.

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Btw JT isn't the author of that article... Not sure where you pulled him from in between Ivan and Flyosity...
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Ah, I see.  I assumed the hands on was by Topolsky.  My bad.   

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Lol
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John Gruber (@gruber)
10/19/11 6:06 PM
Marketing slogan for Galaxy Nexus: "We're gonna need a bigger pants."


Wow, more Android FUD from Gruber?  Shocking.  BTW, that joke is as old as shit.

 

I own a phone that about the same size as the Nexus Prime and I have zero problems fitting them into my jeans pocket.  I honestly don't think Gruber should worry that his pants are too small.

 

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Lol
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John Gruber (@gruber)
10/19/11 6:06 PM
Marketing slogan for Galaxy Nexus: "We're gonna need a bigger pants."


Wow, more Android FUD from Gruber?  Shocking.  BTW, that joke is as old as shit.

 

I own a phone that about the same size as the Nexus Prime and I have zero problems fitting them into my jeans pocket.  I honestly don't think Gruber should worry that his pants are too small.

 


I don't know that the GN is really too big or anything, but you vouching for its size probably doesn't say a whole lot though since you even fit your 7" Galaxy Tab in your pants pocket too. smiley_wink.gif

 

Anyway, certainly looks/sounds interesting.  However, at this rate (w/ no more unlimited data), I'll probably just forget about any non-company-paid/subsidized smartphone for the forseeable future and probably just shift my focus toward tablets going forward.  Heck, even my interest in tablets would likely wane if Amazon, et al. aren't pushing pricing for quality tablets down to the sub-$300 level since I already spend much of everyday in front of a computer and wouldn't really want to use a tablet to watch movies either...

 

_Man_

 

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Yes, the Galaxy Tab does fit in my pocket! I can walk around normally and even sit down, although the corner of the device digs into my hip a little if I do the latter. Suffice it to say, I know when it's in my pocket. But the Epic Touch is a different story -- it's so thin it doesn't create a bulge, and it's so light that I have to check my pocket to make sure it's there.

If you can get your hands on a Galaxy Tab, see if it can fit in your front pocket. I bet it does. It may look like it won't fit, but it'll slide in there pretty good. That's what she said.

As far as the Nexus Prime is concerned, even hipsters with skinny jeans will be able to pocket it. I don't know if Gruber gets custom pants with short pockets, but your run of the mill pair of jeans is more than sufficient to contain the Nexus Prime.
Edited by Hanson - 10/20/11 at 6:32am
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You're one of a kind dude... =)
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http://thisismynext.com/2011/10/18/galaxy-nexus-android-ice-cream-sandwich-pictures-video-hands-on/

This is a screen to be excited about: 4.6", 1280x720 means >300 ppi at a higher res than the iPhone. That's pretty awesome. I'm curious to see how it works in the next iteration of devices and how Apple responds (if at all) with the iPhone 5 next year.Very cool!

 



I retract much of my initial enthusaism. This is based on the lesser, PenTile, screen arrangement.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1319022037

 

 

 

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And if you calculate the real pixel density you will find that the Galaxy Nexus is actually closer to a “real” ppi value of 200, which is slightly lower than on the Galaxy S II (that uses a Super AMOLED Plus with RGB pixel structure). Some claim that a PenTile panel needs around 420 ppi to qualify as a Retina display and that is probably also the reason why Retina is nowhere to be found on the specs sheets of neither Galaxy Note nor Galaxy Nexus. If you are keen on a Samsung smartphone you might even find that the screen in the Galaxy S II is better. But the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S still lead the pixel race. Some people say they never notice the PenTile pixel structure but it is just like a stain on a carpet; once you see it, it is hard to disregard.

 

I could see these artifacts on lower res PenTile screens I'd looked at previously. I'm sure it's better than what I saw before, but this is not nearly as exciting as a true 1280x720 screen.

 

Now, potentially counter that is:

 

 

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On the Super AMOLED screen in Galaxy Note we also noticed that the panel had a bluish tint when viewed from an angle. This has not been confirmed for Galaxy Nexus but it probably shows the same characteristics. Some people seem to argue that PenTile panels are less power-hungry, but that is not true either – actually it is the other way around. However, the Super AMOLED panel inside Galaxy Nexus should still provide fantastic black depth and minimal motion blurring, and these picture characteristics are certainly impressive, but it is the complete package that counts, right?

Exceptional contrast ratios can look better than raw pixel count on video. But this is not a living room TV, it's a computer, so it's not clear that's a good tradeoff here.

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Exceptional contrast ratios can look better than raw pixel count on video. But this is not a living room TV, it's a computer, so it's not clear that's a good tradeoff here.


It applies to mobile screens as well.  None of the WVGA or qHD LCD screens match up to the Retina screen, but a lot of reviewers preferred the SAMOLED plus screens to the Retina screen simply because of the contrast ratio and vivid colors.  And those are 4.3"-4.52" screens running 800 X 480.  The size differential, although an important factor, actually worked against the SAMOLED plus screens in the ppi department.

 

BTW, the reason they weren't calling the Nexus Prime screen a Retina screen is because that's an Apple marketing term.  The writer makes it seem like that's some sort of  standard industry term.

 

The bottom line for me is that if you want to delve into the numbers and charts and zoomed in pictures you can experience a Monster Cable effect and see/hear things that aren't significant or even insignificant, but note that none of the hands on reviewers noticed it was a pentile screen, probably because it was running at a very high resolution.  

 

I do wonder if the pentile matrix was done because of a manufacturing limitation or if was done to put less stress on the GPU.  


Edited by Hanson - 10/20/11 at 12:31pm
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Biggest deal breaker for me -- 16GB or 32GB models only with no SD slot.  That's in line with the Nexus S, which was 16GB with no SD slot. Then again, I had zero intention of ever buying this phone, since Sprint is not rolling out LTE phones until mid-2012.  That means the Galaxy Nexus is either not coming to Sprint until then or it's coming earlier with Wimax, the HD-DVD to Bluray/LTE.

 

I'm looking ahead to the Galaxy S3, presumably with a 720p SAMOLED Plus screen and Exynos processor.  I think I can get by with my Epic Touch for now.  Since, you know... it's awesome.  

 

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I thought Sprint 100% punted on Wimax, wasn't that their message 2 weeks ago?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/sprint-converts-its-cdma-network-to-lte/
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I don't anticipate Sprint coming out with anymore wimax phones, but I put that out there just in case.
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Biggest deal breaker for me -- 16GB or 32GB models only with no SD slot. 


Also, no ethernet port. These smartphones with limited ports are really a problem. I wish Android would get on the stick and support wired gigabit ethernet for when I'm at home and want a truly secure connection!

 

;)

 

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Dave, you jest, but...

 

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/24/ice-cream-sandwich-supports-usb-game-controllers-and-hdmi-turns/

 

 

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In short, you could hook up an external gamepad to a USB-to-microUSB adapter on the Samsung Galaxy Nexus, connect it to your TV and transform your handset into a fancy portable gaming console.

 

Emphasis on fancy was mine.  For no reason really, I just thought that was a funny word choice in context.

 

Bluetooth support will also enable wireless controller play.

 

And in answer to your follow up question:

 

EMULATION.

 

Edit: Turns out you can do the HDMI or wired USB controller, but not both.  Still, HDMI + Bluetooth controller is your best bet anyway.


Edited by Hanson - 10/24/11 at 8:17am
post #84 of 100
I just upgraded my old, slow HTC Droid Eris to a Motorola Droid Razr yesterday. While the phone is physically much longer & wider than the Eris, it is actually lighter due to its thin design. Having more screen real estate has been nice for using the keyboard and reading emails. Hopefully it will fit in my golf bag's "personal items" pocket without an issue -- but I will not have to worry about that for a few months.

My Eris was really getting slow and was experiencing a dialer lag issue, so it was time for an upgrade. So far, the Razr is lightening fast in comparison, both in processor speed and network speed (4G vs. 3G). I'll have to see how the battery holds up, but so far it looks like this is a decent phone. I have to get used to Motorola's Blur interface after using HTC's Sense for the last two years, but they are similar enough that it has not been a problem so far. The screen does have a slight greenish hue when viewed at an angle, but is still an improvement over the Eris.
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Why do Android phones get such bad ads? The scary robot ads made me want to run and cower. The iDon't series were as off-putting as political mud-slinging ads. This new one insults me for owning an iPhone.

 

I've enjoyed some of the previous Sprint ads, but they didn't really sell the phone to me. The newest "Pretty Faces" spot from Google is the first that works for me on an emotional and functional level; the first Android ad that makes me think I could get one.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-57326905-87/new-galaxy-nexus-ad-human-but-still-too-google/

 

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Give credit to Microsoft; their new ads for WP7 are actually some of the better ones on the market.. the one where the guy goes to the store and the kids keep revising the grocery list is a great show of Notes level integration desktop to phone; and the Tech-No is cute fun.   I think what makes those work is that they say "hey, forget about talking about anyone else.. we'll just show why this works with stuff you already have.." 

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MS is so consistently bad at advertising that I didn't really notice the new ad. I'll keep an eye out for it.

 

It doesn't involve dinosaur heads or turning people's houses in a computer store, does it? ;)

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Their two best ones are:

 

 

Actually, the new ad agency that took over for Microsoft has actually put out some pretty good stuff lately.  I love this one too:

 

 

 

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Give credit to Microsoft; their new ads for WP7 are actually some of the better ones on the market.. the one where the guy goes to the store and the kids keep revising the grocery list is a great show of Notes level integration desktop to phone; and the Tech-No is cute fun.   I think what makes those work is that they say "hey, forget about talking about anyone else.. we'll just show why this works with stuff you already have.." 

My takeaway was, "hey, your kids can hack into your phone".  

 

I was also baffled by their earlier "in and out" campaign.  Like, our phones are so awesome you never want to actually use them.  Wow, a phone I always want to put down?  Sign me up!

 

As a non-WP7 user, I have no idea what the phone experience is like.  The ads are completely non-enticing.  On the flip side, Apple show you exactly what you can do with your phone in the real world.  That's where their ads really shine.  The big difference between Google and Apple is that Google tells you of their features while Apple shows you what you can do with them.  

 

 

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Why do Android phones get such bad ads? The scary robot ads made me want to run and cower. The iDon't series were as off-putting as political mud-slinging ads. This new one insults me for owning an iPhone.

 

Lighten up, Francis.  It's an in joke and not meant for broadcast -- go about 15 seconds in to see Josh and Nilay clones checking out the iPhone specs.  Unless you actually are a skinny jeans wearing hipster barista iPhone owner, it's not actually insulting you.  I'm assuming Sam got a kick out of it.

 

Also, it's really Motorola that has the horrible pseudo-Michael Bay ads pumped full of testosterone and rage. HTC and Samsung go for more generic stuff.  Then again, no one remembers those ads, so maybe Moto is on to something.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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