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Tonight, we watched episodes 222-225/226, for a total of four episodes.  (The episode marked 225/226 is one episode, with the first numbered episode being pre-empted.  ABC did not wish to omit any of the numberings even when episodes were pre-empted, which occurred twenty times during the series original run.  This accounts for the discrepancy in some sources for the episodes totaling 1245 instead of the actual 1225.)

 

The story line is quickly moving from Willie and Barnabas to Maggie and Barnabas.  Even though we haven't heard the word vampire (and won't for quite some time in the series), we did get to see the fangs for the first time in one of these episodes.  And the make-up job on Barnabas is very dark, especially around the eyes.  He's one sinister character when the lighting hits his face just right.

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George,

 

I was kind of hoping that Willie I had stayed on long enough to be the one who got decked by Burke.  Poor Willie II -- he didn't even do anything to either Carolynn or Victoria! ;)


 

 

Scott, I'll drink to that!

 

Another thing I wanted to mention about that last Blue Whale scene:  I detected the Beatles song "She's A Woman" on the jukebox.


 

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Scott, I'll drink to that!

 

Another thing I wanted to mention about that last Blue Whale scene:  I detected the Beatles song "She's A Woman" on the jukebox.


 

 

George,

 

You're right about the Beatles tune (although I don't know who was performing it).  I too noticed it when I watched that episode.  Good catch. :)

 

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I can answer the issue regarding #211.  The bonus version with the commercials is in fact a restored videotape, as opposed to the kinescoped version seen in reruns for years.  The original videotape was damaged for the final act of that episode- when Barnabas arrives at Collinwood and is greeted by Mrs. Johnson.  MPI and Jim Pierson had acclaimed video restorer Kevin Segura use his Live Feed process(which actually restores videotape quality depth to old kinescopes) on the kinescope covering the 'lost' finale from 211.  Then the restored last act was tacked on to the undamaged remainder of the master videotape for a new restored videotape master.  Look at the bonus version from The Beginning, and you'll be amazed at the quality of the restored scene with Barnabas' introduction to Mrs. Johnson.  Hard to believe that an old kinescope can be turned back to original video quality, but it has been done. 

 

BTW, Kevin Segura also did the same with the kinescopes of Elvis' appearances on Ed Sullivan, and the entire collection of those 1956-57 shows are out on DVD!!

 

Some more info here:

 

http://www.americanclassictelevision.com/

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Charles,

 

Thanks for that informative and very interesting information.  It sounds as though we owe Mr. Segura a debt of gratitude not only for his work on some of Dark Shadows, but also for what he did with regard to The Ed Sullivan Show. :)

 

BTW, thanks also for the link.  It should make for some very interesting reading.

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Charles you are best the absolute best!!!! I cannot believe how I missed it. Now I must get 211 out and review again. Thankyou buddie and have a great time in LA!! I bet you even know when Eagle Hill got a mention. I thought it was Mrs Johnson to Wille. I think she states it is a little cemetary 5 miles north. You are best the supreme best. Oh and Scott and George please keep going I love this thread!!!
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Yes, Charles.  Thank you!  I was wondering why the last act of episode 211 looked not quite as sharp as the rest of the episode.  Would love to see what Segura could do with the other kinescopes in the series.

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We completed episodes 227-228 last night.  The Maggie - Barnabas story line is heating up, as is the Jason - Elizabeth story line.  Jason has now forced his way into the business, much to Roger's (and Carolynn's) chagrin.  He is now the director of marketing -- LOL.  Although Jason can push Elizabeth around given what they both suspect regarding the basement, he has underestimated Carolynn.  And to think that only a handful of episodes prior to this, Carolynn was referring to Jason as a 'charming' individual. ;)

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George,

 

Last night, we watched nos. 229-230.  We're moving on to Disc 3 tonight.

 

The connections are starting to be made between what has happened to several animals, Willie's loss of blood, and now Maggie's loss of blood.  What I find interesting is that when I am viewing the series, it is fun to try to recall who has said what to whom when it comes to continuity.  Sometimes, the camera work will help with this.  For example, when the Doctor who was checking Maggie (at Sam's and Maggie's cottage) mentioned that she had had a loss of blood, the camera went almost immediately to Joe, as opposed to Sam.  It may be that Joe at this point knows more than Sam does about this phenomenon.  I do recall that it was Joe who broke the news (in the Blue Whale) to a couple of characters concerning how some of the animals had been drained of blood.  He was quite creeped out when he was conveying this information, too.

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I actually watched the Original Series Disc 1 version of episode 211 and noticed it was not quite as good looking as the Bonus version even before I read Charles' informative post. But it was an interested read, and it was great to hear what they can do with kinescopes now.  Thanks for that info, Charles.

 

I'm finishing up Disc 1 - just have two more episodes to go.  Some thoughts:

 

That moment with Willie opening the coffin was priceless - just the expression on his face - the glee at first, thinking he's got the jewels, gradually turning into horror at what's really there, and then Barnabas' hand clutching his throat.

 

The family just loves Barnabas, but Vickie (sorry, I should say Victoria) has her warning signs flashing a bit. She's still in Nancy Drew mode.

 

I was surprised to see that right off the bat (no pun intended) they showed Barnabas' sympathetic side. I'm thinking of the scene where he first returns to the Old House and talking about his father while looking at Josette's portrait.

 

Nancy Barrett continues to impress me as an actress. I'm thinking of the scene where she sees Burke again and can't face him.

 

Scott, yes it was Joe (in episode 215) that broke the news about the calf that had it's blood drained. This was also where Willie finally returns. The unusual thing is that the entire episode takes place at the Blue Whale.  How often has that happened?

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"The family just loves Barnabas, but Vickie (sorry, I should say Victoria) has her warning signs flashing a bit. She's still in Nancy Drew mode."

 

George,

 

Yes.  A name so beautiful that not a single syllable ought to be surrendered. ;)

 

"Scott, yes it was Joe (in episode 215) that broke the news about the calf that had it's blood drained. This was also where Willie finally returns. The unusual thing is that the entire episode takes place at the Blue Whale.  How often has that happened?"

 

You know, I was thinking the same thing (and said as much to my daughter) when we saw this episode.  It may have happened once before, but I am not certain.  Did you also notice that the music for that particular episode was very non-Blue Whale like for much of it?  I suppose that's not too surprising given the topics that were being discussed that evening.

 

And speaking of Nancy Barrett, I believe that she plays a total of eight parts in the series.  Not too shabby, eh?

 

Incidentally, the bonus features for the last disc had Jonathan Frid speaking about his days on Dark Shadows.  He spoke of how he believed that when he received his first piece of fan mail, he thought this was actually his walking papers!  The interview was a very interesting segment. :)

 

 

 

 

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Scott,

 

I didn't notice the music, so after finishing the last two episodes of the disc, I went back and skimmed through episode 215.  It starts out with their usual jukebox tunes, but I guessing you are referring to when Willie comes in, where the jukebox music stops and we get the  atmospheric DS music instead. Speaking of Blue Whale music, the scene with Carolyn and Burke in episode 213 had something a little different too - the music was peppy and had a Latin rhythm to it.

 

No, Nancy Barrett is not at all shabby - she even convincingly played two totally opposite characters in the 1897 storyline. It was technically the same person, but you know what I mean.

 

It was nice to see Dana Elcar return as Sheriff Patterson. We also get the first appearance of future Barnabas nemesis, Dr. Woodard.  However, there was an error in the credits as neither character was listed.

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George,

 

Yes, that's right (about the Blue Whale music).  Recently too, I've noticed a few tunes that are not the 'standard fare' that you hear whenever anyone deposits a coin into the juke box.

 

I didn't notice the omission in the credits.  I'll look for that next time.  I do know that in a future episode, they will refer to Dr. Hoffman as a 'he' since they believed for a short time that the character was going to be a male.

 

We finished nos. 231-232 two nights ago.  And last night, we finished episodes 233-234.  The Maggie Evans story line is getting a lot of attention, and we are hearing a lot more of dogs barking than usual in these episodes.  Oh, and (as Barnabas says) "My faithful servant Willie..." is getting disciplined for a few things that he ought not to have done. ;)


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We watched two more episodes tonight (nos. 235-236).  Dr. Woodard gave the nurse one directive, and she couldn't keep it.  She was gone for only ten seconds, and poof!  Then again, it's in the script. ;)

 

It was wonderful to hear Josette's music box again.  I bought a replica of this music box (with the same tune) for our daughter several years ago from one of the Dark Shadows fan clubs.  She cherishes it.  And yes, she also has some jasmine perfume. :)

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Scott,

 

Have you had your first "fangs" sighting yet?  I ask because as of Episode 224, all the mayhem is still off screen.

 

A few things I really enjoyed:

 

Everyone's reaction to Willie's new attitude, *especially* Jason McGuire.

 

How smooth Barnabas can be.  The best yet was when Liz asked him to get rid of Willie, how he turned on the charm. telling her how smart she is and how he'll abide by any decision she makes.

 

The dream sequence with Maggie - it reminded me of the Dream Curse.

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George,

 

Yes, it was during one of the episodes I saw this last week, so probably within the past seven or eight episodes.  I will have to go back a page to see what episode it was, though.  {You will probably see these for the first time in one of the episodes nos. 222-225/226.}

 

Side note: I saw Dennis Patrick on a season five episode of All In the Family last night.  And guess what?  He was a scheming, no-good, shrewd character in that episode as well!  He was trying to sell Archie some aluminum siding for their brick house, and Archie was buying into it.


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Scott,

 

Yes, I did get to the scene.  It was bit strange because at the end of the episode (I think it was 225), Barnabas enters Maggie's room and he opens his mouth and he has no fangs, but in the opening in the next episode, they redid the scene and Barnabas has the fangs.  It was like they didn't have the prop the first time they shot it.  Also, they are being a bit coy about things. We don't actually see Barnabas bite Maggie, but she is covering her neck in all her subsequent scenes. I'm wondering if Dan Curtis was worried about the censors at the time.

 

I have seen Dennis Patrick before in various shows. I probably have seen that "All In The Family" episode before as we rarely missed that show when it was on the air.  His story on DS is starting to heat up again. I like that they have two different storylines going on at the same time.

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George,

 

I thought the same thing when Maggie's neck was covered.  I do believe that Dan Curtis was playing it safe.  I believe I've either heard or read that somewhere before.

 

Last night and tonight, we watched episodes 237-240.  When Barnabas dines with Maggie (Josette) at the Old House, I turned to my daughter and said how interesting it would have been had we not known for about two episodes that Maggie had been retained there already.  In other words, what a surprise it would have been when she first appeared coming down the stairs, with her back toward us.  Since we've seen the ghost of Josette numerous times, who knows what the viewer would have thought up to that point. 

 

BTW, when we see eventually have Maggie sitting at the table with Barnabas, I could not help but think how easy it would have been to have prying eyes look through the window of the Old House (such as David often does when he visits there before going in to the house).  And as you probably know, Sam and Joe do visit the Old House that evening -- to inform Barnabas that under the circumstances (Sam's daughter being missing), the portrait sittings will have to be suspended a bit.  {BTW, there is a wonderful scene at the Blue Whale in episode #239.  We've just cut from the Old House, and Sam and Joe are talking about Maggie's disappearance.  When Sam mentions that he is thinking about going to the Old House 'tonight' to talk to Barnabas, Joe says he'd be happy to drive Sam there.  At that exact moment, the music cue is very informative.  It's nothing at all like music you often hear at the Blue Whale, and in this instance the viewer is being told something rather specific about what is occurring in the story line with Maggie.}

 

The tension that builds up with the two of them dining is quite interesting too.  At any moment, someone could come to the door.  And when they finally do, Barnabas and Maggie don't move!  They remain on the first floor, just out of sight from whomever is at the door.  It's only when Willie comes back and says that Sam wants to talk to Barnabas that Maggie is taken by Willie upstairs.

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I saw Dennis Patrick on a season five episode of All In the Family last night.  And guess what?  He was a scheming, no-good, shrewd character in that episode as well!  He was trying to sell Archie some aluminum siding for their brick house, and Archie was buying into it.



The first of 2 Dennis Patrick ALL IN THE FAMILY appearances.

 

He came back for season 8's 2-parter "Archie and the KKK," with he and Roger Bowen as regulars at Archie's bar, who invite Archie to their lodge meeting... which turns out to be a Queens KKK chapter, and Dennis and Roger were the grand wizards.

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Brent,

 

Thanks for that information.  As much as I love All In the Family, I don't believe I have ever seen most of the last two seasons (and only a handful of episodes from Archie's Bunker's Place).  BTW, the Jefferson's spinoff episode from season five of All In the Family was also a treat, and one which we saw recently.  I really love the character of Bentley (their neighbor).

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Scott, I think I lost interest in "All In The Family" around the same time.  Once the Jeffersons left and Mike & Gloria moved into their old home, I didn't enjoy the show as much. Occasionally, there would be an episode I really like, for example, the one where Archie secretly baptized Joey, but for the most part, I felt the magic was gone. When Mike & Gloria left for good, the show was pretty much over for me.  I'm probably not the only one who thinks that the episode with Mike & Gloria moving to California would have been a fitting series finale.

 

In the meantime, I'm waiting for DS Disc 3 to arrive.

 

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George,

 

Yes, that's one of the reasons I lost interest in All In the Family as well.  But now many years later, I may try to catch up on those seasons I missed.  I'm curious about the episodes that I didn't see the first time around.

 

BTW, tonight we watched a couple of episodes of The X-Files.  In one of them ("Eve"), there are puncture wounds on the neck of a little girl's father who has died.  He has been drained of four liters of blood.  Both the father and the girl live in Greenwich, Connecticut.  Cue Twilight Zone music: Mulder tells Scully that the first evidence for this, which also included livestock (cattle) having been drained of blood, occurred back in ... 1967! :)


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We watched three episodes tonight (nos. 241-243).  More goodies from Maggie, David, Barnabas, and especially Jason.  The question was popped tonight by Jason, and it was quite the ringer. :)

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We're up to episode #247 now, having watched nos. 244, 245, and 246 tonight.  Willie, quite reluctantly, is eventually urged by Barnabas to succumb to Dr. Woodard's request for a blood sample.  What Willie doesn't know is that Barnabas has a trick or two up his sleeve.

 

Jason is putting the pressure on Elizabeth to tie the knot.  She's reluctant at first, and although she calls his bluff a few times, she really has little choice but to adhere to his wishes.  It was nice seeing Mr. Garner again -- although this time, it's purely business with Mrs. Stoddard.  And although Roger knows about the insidious plans of Mr. McGuire, he really is at a loss as to how to thwart them.  What Jason doesn't know, of course, is that Carolynn doesn't have to succumb to his wishes regarding her mother.  As I mentioned quite a few posts back, he underestimates Carolynn, and this will in part lead to his undoing.

 

As always, it's great to see the Blue Whale any time we can.  Victoria and Burke are getting cozy there, but she is quite nervous about a good many things, not the least of which is the howling of more dogs that one can hear quite vividly over the music.  I do hope that Bob receives some excellent tips for all of the work he does. ;)

 

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Mark has to stick his big nose in again.  The 1968 present day Collinwood is one of my favorite storylines.  I enjoyed the videotap reshoot in color of edited storyline from 1967 filmed in the fall of 68.  Great fun to watch.  The reshoot was done again for the very last two episodes in 1796 filmed in Jan 69 and one more in 1796 filmed in Nov 69. I know most DS fans know this.  Just thought I would bring it up. Barnabas Willie and Julia all begin to refer to the 67 storyine in fall of 68 right into Jan 69.

 

Dennis Patrick was great on Dallas!  He was a suspect in the "Who Shot JR" storyine as we all know.  He came back to Dallas again a year or two later,  I also like Jason's line to Willie in DS that he had oil deals in Texas. 

 

Keep going Guys !!!  I truly look forward to your comments each time I access The Forum.

 


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BTW, tonight we watched a couple of episodes of The X-Files.  In one of them ("Eve"), there are puncture wounds on the neck of a little girl's father who has died.  He has been drained of four liters of blood.  Both the father and the girl live in Greenwich, Connecticut.  Cue Twilight Zone music: Mulder tells Scully that the first evidence for this, which also included livestock (cattle) having been drained of blood, occurred back in ... 1967! :)

 

Coincidence?  I think not!  :-)   It wouldn't surprise me if Chris Carter was a big DS fan.

 

I finished episodes 231 and 232 last night.  We're certainly getting to know a lot about the effects of vampirism - kudos to Kathryn Leigh Scott for making the most out of her first major role in the show. 

 

More cast changes - a new actor for Dr. Woodard - we've touched on this before, but I still wonder why they kept doing this.

 

Barnabas' cameo appearance was a nice touch in ep 232.  I know they've done this before with the surprise shadowy figure - but this might have been the best one of all (so far) because this time we know what is the danger.

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George,

 

I did wonder that about Chris Carter when watching that particular episode of The X-Files.

 

Yeah, KLS is quite good in her role, isn't she?  She's come a long way from serving coffee in the early going of the series.  Of course, she will be back there again once this arc is completed.

 

Dr. Woodard will eventually be replaced again.  You might find this bit interesting, especially if you haven't heard/read this before:

 

"Robert was the primary actor to play Dr. Dave Woodard on Dark Shadows, and left the show after refusing to cross picket lines to tape during a technician's strike. He was hastily replaced with Peter Turgeon for the character's final episodes. His other daytime drama credits include Another World, Love of Life, The Guiding Light, The Edge of Night and Texas."

 

http://www.collinwood.net/cast/gerringer.htm

 

I frequently find it amusing how Barnabas is so concerned with the disappearance of Maggie.  He even asks about her well-being in his own home while entertaining guests, and she's only but a floor away upstairs in Josette's room!  These kinds of things really add to the tension of the show, though.  And I cannot overestimate the quality of work put forth by John Karlen in this series.

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A few comments:

 

Regarding the '1967' reshoots- few people knew at the time that at the insistence of Dan Curtis, Grayson Hall wore a fall to "feminize" Dr. Hoffman during her first few months on the show.  After the 1795 storyline ended, Curtis apparently changed his mind and decided that Grayson's own short 'do was just fine, hence Julia's "impulse' haircut in April 1968.  To do the flashbacks of Julia and Maggie in the Collins crypt a few months later, the hairpiece went back on, and voila- the 'old' Julia of 1967 was back. 

 

Peter Turgeon, the final actor to play Dr. Woodard, may be best remembered as the hopelessly obnoxious passenger in the original Airport - I still blame his character's big mouth for causing all the disaster that followed just when it seemed Dean Martin's pilot character had everything under control!  Those of you who've seen the movie will know exactly what I mean.

 

Well, in a couple of days I will be in Burbank for the Dark Shadows Festival, and it's a big event for me since this is my first West Coast Festival and my first plane ride!

 

 

 

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Yeah, KLS is quite good in her role, isn't she?  She's come a long way from serving coffee in the early going of the series.  Of course, she will be back there again once this arc is completed.

 

She certainly has, and her big line from the earlier days was "Pop, what's wrong?"

 

Scott, thanks for the info on Robert Gerringer.

 

Charles, I would love to hear an update on the DS festival (and the plane ride) when you return.

 

I've gotten to the first appearance of Josette's music box and now the plot thickens (but not the blood).

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George,

 

And another interesting line spoken by Maggie (to Victoria) in the early days: "And you're a jerk."

 

You're probably going to do some good catching up to where I'm at, George.  My family is away visiting our extended family, and they won't be back for two weeks.  I'm under strict orders from our sixteen-year old daughter not to watch any 'new' Dark Shadows episodes until they return.  What this means is that I'll probably go back to the good ol' days of Bill Malloy and Matthew Morgan for a while. ;)

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