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SPACE: 1999 Season 2 Coming To Blu-Ray!

Poll Results: Which Season Do You Think Is The Best?

Poll expired: May 26, 2011  
  • 57% (4)
    Season One
  • 42% (3)
    Season Two
7 Total Votes  
post #1 of 82
Thread Starter 

DIGITAL BITS: Now then... I've confirmed with sources associated with A&E that the company will be releasing Space: 1999 - Season Two on Blu-ray Disc on 10/18 (prebook is 9/20). Official details will follow in the coming months, but if you're a fan and you loved Season One on Blu-ray, rest assured Season Two is on the way. 

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UPDATE: DIGITAL BITS: Now then... I've confirmed with sources that A&E, Network (etc) are hard at work on a Blu-ray release of Space: 1999 - Season Two. Much work remains, but the hope is that you might see it on store shelves by the end of the year. Rest assured, we'll post updates and official details as we get them in the months ahead. Bottom line: If you're a fan of the series and you loved Season One on Blu-ray, the good news is that Season Two is moving forward. [Editor's Note: We removed the street date we posted last night, as it's apparently very tentative and still subject to change. The text has been updated to reflect the situation more accurately.] 

 
 


Edited by SWFF - 1/26/11 at 4:00pm

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post #2 of 82

I knew it.

 

All of this guff circulating that there would not be no season two was hot air (I have no idea how the story originated, but I never believed it). I knew that if year one sold successfully (it ended up in the top 10 at amazon a few times), that we would most certainly see year two.

 

No company wants to leave money on the table.

post #3 of 82

Oh! My goodness!  I can't believe it!  I'm so happy, I could just scream!  Thanks for this good news. I'm almost finished with the blu-ray set of Season 1.  dance.gifI can't wait...

post #4 of 82

I wonder about the extras for this set, if there will be any.  Network DVD originally planned to release a Series Two SE back in 2007 but did not do so - they may have some materials in the vault that could be applied here.  I have the Fanderson documentary, which both includes an archival featurette about how happy everybody was filming Series Two and more recent interviews from the 1990s, wherein Gerry Anderson and Martin Landau are much more candid about how things really went.

 

I was actually just watching a late Series Two episode, "Dorzak" a few nights ago - it doesn't have any monsters in it, but it pretty much epitomizes how the second year went...

post #5 of 82
Thread Starter 

This season is only significant for me because of the two-part "Bringers Of Wonder." The best story arc of that whole season. And, whatever extras they put on it, namely any interviews, then and now. Love to see a new interview with Catherine Schell. I was hot for her Maya character back in the day. Anyhow, I assume it'll be just as loaded as Season One is. I assume this is also getting released in the U.K., which also means they'll probably have the better cover art.

post #6 of 82

"Bringers of Wonder" is THE famous episode of season 2. It's my favorite too. Many years ago when A&E were selling episodes by 2 volume sets, I bought the one that  contained that two-parter episode first.

 

I hope the blu-ray extras include a texless opening title of season 2, just like they did for season 1. It's so cool!

post #7 of 82

My favorite season 2 episode The Rules of Luton!....i kid....i liked Journey to Where. A very solid time travel episode, and it has Freddy Jones!

 

As bad as season 2 can be...i have to own it, day 1!

post #8 of 82

Yes, there was a lot of talk about how Season Two would never be released on blu-ray, but since the first blu-ray set sold well, it really isn't a shock A&E and Network are teaming up again. I know a lot of 1999 fans are divided on the two very different seasons, but each has their own charm: I like the overall weirdness of S1 (despite the wooden acting and nonsensical plots--drinking games are fun when watching individual episodes), but the action-oriented S2 is fun to watch, as long as one doesn't think too critically about talking trees, killer rocks and naked chlorine aliens (what kinds of wonderful drugs do British TV writers ingest/smoke?). I will likely continue to play drinking games when S2 is released on blu-ray! ;)

post #9 of 82
Thread Starter 

I just came up with a better poll question, and I wish I had occurred to me, then. I had heard Martin Landau wasn't the first choice to play John Koenig, they wanted Robert Culp, and the question would have been, "Would Robert Culp have made a better John Koenig?" Damn, that's an excellent poll question. Personally, that's a tough one to answer, since I think they're both excellent actors.

 

Found this bit of trivia on IMDB.com. Actually, there was a lot of interesting trivia, but this one was the one that struck me the most interesting: A third season of 13 episodes was planned, with production set to start in the autumn of 1977, however low sales of the series in America forced a last-minute cancellation.
 

post #10 of 82

Martin Landau is an excellent character actor, but not a very convincing leading man. On Space: 1999 he's deadly serious and prone to unexpected shouting (this is one of my favourite 1999 drinking games, taking a shot whenever Koenig barks in an episode). When the S2 writers tried to develop Cmdr. Koenig somewhat, injecting awkward doses of humour, Landau is still quite stiff and his acting is unintentionally funny (especially in "Bringers of Wonder"). Some of the blame is in the writing: there's a lack of character development in S1 and really the only actor who can wing it is Barry Morse. Robert Culp is also a very good actor and can do comedy much better than Landau, but it's hard to say if he could add warmth to a cold, lifeless character (although ANY actress could have been better than the cadaverous Barbara Bain).

post #11 of 82

Where is it said that A&E and Network are teaming up to release Season 2? For all we know, it's A&E going it alone, upconverting the existing DVD transfers to BD. With the extras, including "Message From Moonbase Alpha", interviews, etc. ported over.

 

It wasn't guff about there not being a release. Network categorically said there were no plans. And there still hasn't been an HD remaster done. And judging from the usual mud-slinging level of discourse evidenced in this thread alone, why would it make business sense to release Season 2?

 

FWIW, I always bought Landau as Koenig (he was my childhood hero; well, one of them), and I think seeing Season 2 first was what made his Koenig appeal to me. The intensity and gravitas that he has when Alpha and his landing parties are in danger. His compassionate words of welcome to Maya. His tenderness with Helena to whom he shows his lighter side. His memories of his dead family and his dead wife. His feelings of guilt at leaving two friends to die. His insecurity at losing his command. I can appreciate him in Season 1, too. But I may have needed him in Season 2 to make that possible. Of course, I know now what a Diva Landau was, but that doesn't diminish his portrayal of Koenig.

 

Imaginative concepts like intelligent plants and rocks are used in other SF opuses, as are monsters and mad robots. Space used them too with its own themes of Gaia (i.e. planets coded as living entities), etc.. But I'm sick to death of arguing this stuff. We got our precious Year 1. Why can't some graciousness be shown toward Season 2's release, whatever form it may take?

 

And I'll believe Network's involvement when I see it. 

post #12 of 82
Thread Starter 

I didn't have any problem with Landau or Bain being their characters, and I certainly didn't see any "bad acting" on either of their parts. Still would be interesting to see how Culp would have played the part. Wish he had gotten to do a screen test, then I could have judged better. Odd how A&E is putting out the blu-ray, but no mention of Network putting out a U.K. counterpart. Maybe, we don't know all the details yet on that part of the release. Don't know much on anything else either, now that I think about it.

post #13 of 82

From the Digital Bits: "Now then... I've confirmed with sources that A&E, Network (etc) are hard at work on a Blu-ray release of Space: 1999 - Season Two. Much work remains, but the hope is that you might see it on store shelves by the end of the year."

 

And as for people here making fun of S2, I think most of us already mentioned we'd buy S2 on blu-ray. I am by no means  a sci-fi aficionado, but I do have legitimate nostalgic affection for both seasons of Space: 1999 (watching the bundled episodes as movies on late-night Edmonton TV in the late 80s, YTV broadcasts in the 90s). Perhaps it's my non-sci-fi leanings (or the show's preposterous premise) that makes it difficult for me to take the series seriously, but I still enjoy it. A recent review of the series on blu-ray sums up Space: 1999's flaws (at least in S1): http://www.avclub.com/articles/space-1999-the-complete-first-season,50258/

 

And despite my criticism of Martin Landau's acting in Space: 1999, I've always liked him in Mission: Impossible and films like Tucker, Crimes and Misdemeanors and Ed Wood.

post #14 of 82

Kevin, I think I'm the one that started the speculation re Network.  My only reason has to do with Network being the source of the transfers and the fine extras for the Series One set released by A&E last month.   I believe that Network may well have continued the interviews they did for Series One into Series Two matters, with the latter portion left unreleased to date.  If they did not, the Fanderson documentary certainly covers it...

post #15 of 82

What people don't seem to grasp is that if you make fun of Season 2, you're making fun of people who do not only like it but to whom is was and still is the foundation of interest in the series as a whole and the space sci-fi/fantasy genre. It shows a lack of respect. It's like teasing in the schoolyard.

 

I don't care for the tone of that review of Season 1 either, frankly. There's so much subjectivity when it comes to assessments of science fiction that nobody should be allowed to get off saying that something is objectively bad based only on concept and style alone. Production values, yes. Certain acting techniques, or lack thereof, yes. Season 2 was shot much faster and with less money, and it shows. But the production values are still better than the really egregious examples of unimaginative and shoddy SFTV work like certain later Tomorrow People serials, Galactica 1980, and, though it did have many interesting concepts, Lost in Space (although my aversion to that is more due to the lack of reverence given the material). I'd say that with regard to bold SF speculation, planetary depiction, production design, and SFX, it still beats the original Battlestar Galactica, Buck Rogers (both seasons), Planet of the Apes, and virtually every SFTV opus made in the '70s. And that is a more objective assessment than to damn a show because the concepts in it don't appeal to a person's imagination or the style isn't deliberate and overtly philosophical enough.

 

And the Fanderson documentary on S2 is a horrible piece of work. Thoroughly disrespectful to fans of S2, even alleging they don't exist. A prolonged editorial against the entire season masquerading in the guise of objective and professional documentary work. And even using Freiberger as a straw man. The less we see of it, the better. Why market a product with something in it tearing it down relentlessly and utterly?

 

I would expeect a 5-disc set with no material different from what's there on DVD already. Would be satisfied with that, especially as I can see signs of rot on several of my A&E DVDs.

 

As to that Digital Bits' report, was that before or after the one setting a street date for the set? Hoping to have it available by end of the year is a sizeable departure from a projected October street date. And as we all know, Network did pull the plug on a DVD release in '07.

 

post #16 of 82
Thread Starter 

I added that update on Digital Bits to the opening post. I don't think I was ever making fun of the season 2, I just personally find it inferior to season 1. To me, season one was more pure science fiction, where as season two is more like scifi/action. Aside from 'The Bringers Of Wonder" there are a handful I don't mind. But, I think, I'll eventually get this set. There are two blues I plan to get once I get my player this Christmas, the Gamera Double Feature from Mill Creek, and that's only because it's insanely cheap, and season one of SPACE: 1999. Unfortunaelty, SPACE is more expensive, which means, I'm gonna have to start saving up for it. I want these ywo titles available when the player arrives.

 

Actually, who was making fun of the series? I think these are just everybody's opinions, not mockery.  

post #17 of 82

Kevin, I just realized you were referring to the avclub review of Series One, and not the one I posted here.  I hope you've had some time to look it over - I tried to be thorough, although I realized later that I missed one Italian actress from the RAI deal who pops up in "Space Brain".

 

I've certainly made comments here about the quality of Series Two, including one quote from "The Bringers of Wonder" in another thread - but I acknowledge that Series One had plenty of bits of wild dialogue of its own.  We each have our own opinions, and I'm certainly not denigrating yours.

 

I brought up the Fanderson documentary as it may be the only material that exists that A&E could use.  It is entirely possible that the Network guys have more interview footage from 2005 - they may well have asked Gerry, Zienia and the writers about several Series Two episodes during the same session.  If so, there could be another "These Episodes" featurette that could be used.  But if there is nothing else, there is still the archival piece that Fanderson included from 1976 or 1977, and the materials they had in their documentary.  We should note that the opinions voiced in that documentary are those of Gerry Anderson and Martin Landau, who are very specific in their criticisms of Series Two.  It's not like the Fanderson guys edited their comments to skew them.  There is no mistaking Anderson's feeling about how the second year went down.   And if this were to be included (and I would want it there, for the sake of completion), it wouldn't be the first time such material was included either on a movie DVD or a TV series DVD.  For example, the 3rd Season set of Star Trek TOS is quite frank about what happened during that year, including the budget cuts, etc.  Didn't hurt the sales of Trek Season 3, and I wouldn't expect the inclusion of interview footage to hurt sales of 1999 Series Two.  You're probably right that A&E will just go with HD masters of the Series Two eps and call it a day.  Personally, I hope they'll do more than that.

post #18 of 82

Wow, just saw this thread today. I'm really surprised. I had hoped it would happen! But didn't think it would.

 

I wonder if it was planned all long, but kept quiet to see how the Series One sales where. Does anyone know what the sales figures are?

 

It will be interesting to see the news that slips out whether this is a new remaster as was done with Series One or use the HD masters as you've discussed above.

 

Interesting comments above about Landau's acting. In rewatching 1999 Series One on Blu Ray, I had forgotten how he does tend to go off and shout.

 

And Journey to Where is one of my favorites too. Gotta love those cold English outdoor location shots!smile.gif

post #19 of 82

There is a light-year's difference between the tone of the Season 3 Star Trek documentary and the documentary on S2 of Space: 1999. The amount of hate being spat out is revolting. As far as Landau is concerned, he seems to be playing to the unvaryingly anti-S2 audience he thinks he has. When asked about Space in articles to be read by the general public, he doesn't single S2 out for a tongue-lashing but rather speaks highly of his co-stars and some of the directors. But I've lost a lot of respect for him as a person, anyway. And that was before Sylvia Anderson's revelations. Johnny Byrne (who I do think was excessively strident in his hatred for S2) did object to how the makers of the documentary edited his comments about Freiberger to sound damning and personal. The intent behind the documentary was to invalidate and crush S2 fandom, even getting Anderson to comment that S2 has no following at all. Quite a departure from what he said in Starlog back in the '70s when he said the higher proportion of letters he received seemed to prefer S2. That they didn't seek out Freiberger for a contemporary interview or interview some of the cast members who have good things to say about S2 or bother to point out that the S2 was popular with the general public in Canada but just freeze-framed Freiberger in 1976 speaking positively and then piled one unfavorable comment after another, shows what the intent was. 

 

For some reason, the Landau and Bain interview portions of the S1 half of the documentary needed to be removed and the documentary cut up for the DVDs/BDs, and fortunately, the same would probably be true if the documentary were to be used for S2. But if there's not going to be anything good, fair, considerate, and balanced said, I'd just as soon see no extras at all. Just the episodes, "Message From Moonbase Alpha", trailers, and the vintage 1976 interviews. 

post #20 of 82

I never meant to ridicule anybody with my criticisms of S2. I think most of the people who have commented in this thread have stated that they would likely purchase S2 on blu-ray, extra features or not. Whichever 1999 season people like best is of course a matter of personal taste, but one should not take such perceived criticisms as a form of personal ridicule or attack. Whichever season you prefer, Space: 1999 obviously has a passionate fan following for its two wildly different seasons.

post #21 of 82
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Funny, but when I was a kid, me and my brother, used to prefer season two. And, when season two was done, and they started re-running the show back from season one, we were disappointed. I didn't become more of a fan of season one until I started to get older and saw repeats on this station late at night. This was in the mid-80s, I think, and it was, like, 1 am, on channel 6, or something. They way they aired it, though, was terrible. Everything was so damn dark. But they never aired season two. I think it was only airing for six months before they changed the programming and took it off. Currently, the only season two eps I own are "The Bringers Of Wonder" and "Space Warp" from that old standard DVD that came out back in the early 2000s.

 

Of course, I'll end up owning this some day, since my memory is vague on a lot of the episodes. I never bought the whole set, just the DVD with the three aforementioned episodes.

post #22 of 82

Kevin, I completely understand that you enjoy Series Two, and, again, I don't denigrate that opinion.

 

But Martin Landau and Gerry Anderson were not being specially edited to sound negative about Series Two.  They did this on their own.  I have a copy of the Fanderson magazine interview with Martin Landau from about 10 years ago, and Landau is fairly uncomplimentary about how Series Two was handled.  He specifically mentions the bit in "The Exiles" where Koenig stuns Cantor without any warning.  He says that he fought against this, that it was out of character, but that in the end he had to relent because they still had to film the episode and he was starting to become "the bad guy."  I don't know who Landau thought his audience was for the Fanderson documentary, but it sounds like his candid opinion.   By the same token, Catherine Bell's comments about her costume for "Guardian of Piri" are similarly candid.  As I recall, her interview with the Fanderson magazine mentioned some lingering issues she had with the producers after the series was finished. So I don't know that it's just a couple of comments of sour grapes as much as it is people being candid about their thoughts at this point.

 

I have a feeling that the Landau and Bain portions of the interviews could not be used without their permission, and I'm willing to bet that they insisted on a payment if these materials were to be used on a publicly sold DVD.

 

The Sylvia Anderson comments about both Landau and Bain are accurate, I'm sure, and they don't paint a flattering picture.  Landau's reaction to Giancarlo Prete doesn't come off that well, and Anderson's discussion in her commentary about Landau giving Roy Dotrice acting notes after a play performance in London is similarly unflattering.  But we should also keep in mind that she has her own issues here.  All of this happened in the middle of her split from Gerry Anderson, which was not a happy time for her at all.   As I said in my review, her comments get so caustic at times that you may well think that steam is coming out of your television set...

post #23 of 82


Never had a problem with that scene in "The Exiles". Is this not the same Koenig who in "The Last Enemy" ordered Carter to take Eagles up to attack the Satazius preemptively? After the experience with Balor, I'm sure Koenig would be loathe to trust any alien without being reasonably certain the alien could be subdued. If anyone's acting out of character in that scene in "The Exiles", it's Verdeschi. But then again, it's early in the season. Tony may have developed his more suspicious nature later on. Koenig's behavior in Year 2 never bothered me. As Landau himself often said, Koenig was stretched to the limit of his endurance and patience. Beleagured humanity, I think is what Penfold said.

 

A lot of Landau's venom toward Year 2 is post-1980s. I remember reading far more moderate interviews with him in Starlog and the old Alliance newsletters. The ironic thing is Freiberger in interviews spoke respectfully of Landau. It's Sylvia Anderson who's speaking disdainfully. But a lot of this, 35 years on, looks to me like a bunch of childish sour grapes by all concerned. How so many talented people who made a wonderful show that captured imaginations, can be so hateful and petty and inconsiderate of their viewers, doesn't give one much hope for humanity and the future.
 

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Kevin, I completely understand that you enjoy Series Two, and, again, I don't denigrate that opinion.

 

But Martin Landau and Gerry Anderson were not being specially edited to sound negative about Series Two.  They did this on their own.  I have a copy of the Fanderson magazine interview with Martin Landau from about 10 years ago, and Landau is fairly uncomplimentary about how Series Two was handled.  He specifically mentions the bit in "The Exiles" where Koenig stuns Cantor without any warning.  He says that he fought against this, that it was out of character, but that in the end he had to relent because they still had to film the episode and he was starting to become "the bad guy."  I don't know who Landau thought his audience was for the Fanderson documentary, but it sounds like his candid opinion.   By the same token, Catherine Bell's comments about her costume for "Guardian of Piri" are similarly candid.  As I recall, her interview with the Fanderson magazine mentioned some lingering issues she had with the producers after the series was finished. So I don't know that it's just a couple of comments of sour grapes as much as it is people being candid about their thoughts at this point.

 

I have a feeling that the Landau and Bain portions of the interviews could not be used without their permission, and I'm willing to bet that they insisted on a payment if these materials were to be used on a publicly sold DVD.

 

The Sylvia Anderson comments about both Landau and Bain are accurate, I'm sure, and they don't paint a flattering picture.  Landau's reaction to Giancarlo Prete doesn't come off that well, and Anderson's discussion in her commentary about Landau giving Roy Dotrice acting notes after a play performance in London is similarly unflattering.  But we should also keep in mind that she has her own issues here.  All of this happened in the middle of her split from Gerry Anderson, which was not a happy time for her at all.   As I said in my review, her comments get so caustic at times that you may well think that steam is coming out of your television set...

post #24 of 82
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A lot of Landau's venom toward Year 2 is post-1980s. I remember reading far more moderate interviews with him in Starlog and the old Alliance newsletters. The ironic thing is Freiberger in interviews spoke respectfully of Landau. It's Sylvia Anderson who's speaking disdainfully. But a lot of this, 35 years on, looks to me like a bunch of childish sour grapes by all concerned. How so many talented people who made a wonderful show that captured imaginations, can be so hateful and petty and inconsiderate of their viewers, doesn't give one much hope for humanity and the future.


There is a 1980s Starlog interview (#108, maybe?) where he doesn't exactly spit venom, but said something to the effect that he didn't think the Year Two changes helped at all, that he felt the whole tone was 'wrong' and he felt that if they'd maintained the look and feel of Year One, that the show "would have hit" (in his words).

 

He also said he felt that Lew Grade needing money for his movie Raise the Titanic was the real reason there was no third season.

 

Yes, Frieberger was often respectful of the Landaus, but he said on more than one occasion that he felt that the stars of the show should have been much younger (this goes all the way back to Frieberger's infamous Starlog interview, around issue #40, I think).

post #25 of 82
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Where is it said that A&E and Network are teaming up to release Season 2? For all we know, it's A&E going it alone, upconverting the existing DVD transfers to BD. With the extras, including "Message From Moonbase Alpha", interviews, etc. ported over.

 

And I'll believe Network's involvement when I see it. 

 


I think this is very unlikely, and I'm pretty sure that Network will get on board (especially with A&E to split the costs of the remastering with). If by some stroke you are right, then I'm sure there will be massive hatred directed to A&E and such a release would fail big time. I doubt anyone here would double-dip for an upscale, and I'm sure if that ever does happen, we'll all find out about it (via reviews, if nothing else) before release date.

 

Still, there's plenty of time before then for us to find out what's really going to happen.

post #26 of 82

Pardon the OT comment, but Starlog magazine! I have the first 200 or so issues in a box, still mint. More or less. I should dig out those issues and read the interviews you guys mention. I just checked and was sad to see it ceased publication after 30 years in 2006. 

post #27 of 82

I believe his words were, "Freddie helped in some respects but overall I don't think he helped the show." Not a ringing endorsement, true, but hardly absolutely vitriolic. And then his comment about ITC opting to go ahead with funding Raise the Titanic more or less absolved S2 from ultimate blame for the cancellation. Besides, what many people like to forget, ratings did drop during S1, and Lew Grade was unhappy about that and cancelled the show. There was no possibility of it coming back unless it was retooled. And Anderson and Freiberger worked together on that retooling. There was, however, a talk, post S2, of a spin-off with Maya along with an additional 13 Space episodes. If the show had bombed utterly in its S2 format, no such prospects would have been broached.

 

Freiberger's words, I think, were, "I have great respect for Marty and Barbara, but I think science fiction should have young faces." I wouldn't take the comment about young faces very personally or harshly. It's generally accepted that science fiction, at least popular TV science fiction, needs youth appeal (even if the leads aren't young) and that some youth in the cast is essential. I interviewd Freiberger myself some years ago, and he was gracious about everyone concerned. He was taken aback, understandably, to learn of the stridently negative, blaming stance that Anderson was taking. But he was always tactful. A very nice man. 


 

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A lot of Landau's venom toward Year 2 is post-1980s. I remember reading far more moderate interviews with him in Starlog and the old Alliance newsletters. The ironic thing is Freiberger in interviews spoke respectfully of Landau. It's Sylvia Anderson who's speaking disdainfully. But a lot of this, 35 years on, looks to me like a bunch of childish sour grapes by all concerned. How so many talented people who made a wonderful show that captured imaginations, can be so hateful and petty and inconsiderate of their viewers, doesn't give one much hope for humanity and the future.


There is a 1980s Starlog interview (#108, maybe?) where he doesn't exactly spit venom, but said something to the effect that he didn't think the Year Two changes helped at all, that he felt the whole tone was 'wrong' and he felt that if they'd maintained the look and feel of Year One, that the show "would have hit" (in his words).

 

He also said he felt that Lew Grade needing money for his movie Raise the Titanic was the real reason there was no third season.

 

Yes, Frieberger was often respectful of the Landaus, but he said on more than one occasion that he felt that the stars of the show should have been much younger (this goes all the way back to Frieberger's infamous Starlog interview, around issue #40, I think).

post #28 of 82

I'm sure that Fred Freiberger was a good producer and a decent man, but not everyone who dealt with him had the same experience.  David Gerrold has spoken quite bitterly of his experiences with him on Star Trek's 3rd Season, and while Bob Justman was tactful in his discussions about what happened that year, it's clear he wasn't giving a glowing review.    (To be fair, Justman was correctly displeased about having been stepped over, and by the middle of that season, he left the show.)

 

But I digress - getting back to Space 1999 Series Two, I'll just quote from Martin Landau's interview in FAB Magazine #46, published in 2003:  (And I'll note that these are Martin Landau's own comments - I don't endorse them, or even agree with all of them - but they are his opinions and beliefs and should be understood as such.)

 

 

"...These were the things that were never spoken about, particularly in the second year when certain things would be written in the scripts that totally went against what we had established about the characters in the first year.  I mean, we would have things where Koenig would make a pre-emptive attack without any motivation whatsoever, so I would go to producer Fred Freiberger's office and say, 'This is ridiculous, this is totally against Koenig's philosophy.' And he said 'What are you talking about?' So I said 'He would never do this.  He would not make this unilateral decision and blow people away.  It's totally against his character.' He says 'People won't notice' and I said 'What do you mean people won't notice? People watch this every week...' and I would fight like a tiger with him and often lose those fights because there we were, we had to shoot something that day and I was becoming a bad guy for standing up for the rights of the show and the integrity of the character.  I never wanted to do that, to corrupt the film-making process that way because that is not the way that I work, but I often felt that I had to because I felt that we owed it to the viewers.  Then I would fight and we'd do some rewriting to make it a little more palatable, but very often I would lose the battles because we had to get on and shoot something.  I would often try to write on my feet, working with the director on the spot to try and make it possible to do it in a way that it wouldn't totally offend me first of all, and then ultimately offend the viewers."

 

"I was always concerned with the integrity of the show.  It was never an ego trip for me or anything like that.  It was just the fact that I began to understand Koenig and his philosophy, his ideology, his very innards, and there were situations where I knew that he would rather commit suicide than do what some of those scripts had him doing.  I mean, he would never let anyone else put themselves in a position of jeopardy if he felt that he could deal with it in a better way, and even though there was danger, the well-being of the Moonbase and the majority of the people was always utmost in his mind.  If it came down to a question of someone having to sacrifice something, he would always weigh the possibilities and would never do anything foolhardy.  But in the second season, I wound up doing things in several epiosodes that were absolutely against the grain of the character, and that can be very frustrating for an artist who cares about the subtext of the character."

 

"I was never crazy about the metamorph character.  I mean in terms of what that show meant, it suddenly took on a different shape and I felt that it wasn't really the show that I had raised my hand to do initially.  It became a little more conventional.  I feel that the trajectory we were on in the first season would have grown into itself, the look of the show and everything about that would have eventually found its audience.  Mission: Impossible was not a success the first year and we barely stayed on.  It was the summer reruns and the second season that began to make it a big hit, and then it became an enormous hit and ran for seven seasons.  We were almost cancelled three times during the first year, but we stuck to our guns and the show caught on.  We never compromised it, even though it wasn't getting the numbers, because we knew we had something good.  Compromising it doesn't help, but people start panicking and want to change things that make it more ordinary.  If begin to believe everything that you read and hear, then you're a weakling and that's what happened with Space: 1999, unfortunately.  You have to be strong because you get whacked on the head a lot in this business.  I could take the comparisons to Star Trek and the criticisms because I didn't believe them.  I new what we were and I knew where we were heading, but suddenly we took a detour and I feel that was our downfall."

 

"I never wanted to succumb to the pressures that were coming from the States and so on, and bringing Freddie in... I mean, I don't think that Freddie was an untalented man, but I do think that the Star Treks that he produced were the less good ones, frankly.  We were not like Star Trek and there was no need to become more like it - that was giving up.  Shows like Black Sun were intelligent shows and they were provocative, they were different, they were unique unto themselves and the style of the show was our own.  The fact that there was more colour on the show in the second season was not a good thing.  There was look, it had a feel.  The costumes that Rudi Gernreich were unisex, but you coudl tell from a long distance away what someone did.  In the army to this day, you have to get really up close to someone to see what the hell their duties are, so that design for the Alpha uniforms was intelligent.  The second you saw someone with a white sleeve you knew they were medics.  You knew that the astronauts were wearing orange sleeves and the Main Mission people had red sleeves and so on. I had the only charcoal grey sleeve and the collar too, so you knew immediately that I was the commander from a hundred yards away, which is very important.  Those were intelligent choices and the army could learn something from that.  Those kinds of things were diminished in the second season when we started getting orange jackets, jazzing it up and doing stuff that I felt was impure."

 

When asked about what made the first year so different:  "It was just its own piece.  It had its own style.  It had its own writers.  It was more metaphysical, it was more ethereal, it was more like true science fiction instead of space opera.  It was new.  It didn't look like anything else, it didn't feel like anything else, it was its own person and the characters were their own people.  They would have grown on the viewers because we would have gotten to know them.  They were strangers and everyone wanted us to be like someone else.  That's always the case at the beginning of a show and we shouldn't have done any of that."

 

"There was a certain stoicism in Koenig on the one hand, but then not at all on the other because he was very emotional.  If you look at a show like Collision Course, there were times when he went bonkers and absolutely lost it, but he didn't try not to let anyone see that - even though there were times when he was locked up by his own people because they thought he was losing it.  It was a different kind of show and that's what people had to understand.  People had to believe in it as a concept piece unto itself, but unfortunately that didn't happen.  I think that Gerry Anderson is a very talented man but he was forced into this ITC thinking: get an American producer, add more colour, put monsters in the show, do this, do that, all of that stuff.  I guess they had to make those compromises to get the second season going, but to this day, I think that if they could have stuck by their guns and been allowed to make a second season like the first, we would have gone on and done a third and fourth season."

 

Asked about what could have happened if there had been a third season:  "I think if it had continued along the way it was going, it wouldd have found its own level, the way that water finds its own level and truth finds its own level.  I think that the show would have subtly found its own life and texture.  It's true that we almost went to a third season and the reason we didn't probably was because Lew Grade got into feature films and our budget for the third season was about the same amount of money he needed to promote and market the major motion pictures he had in the can.  It literally got right down to the wire whether we would go into a third season or not and in the end it came down to dollars and cents.  Unfortunately, none of Lew Grade's movies ever did well and he would probably have been better off spending that money on Space: 1999 and putting us on again, because we would have had a larger syndication package."

 

"If we had gone on and done a third season, I would have tended to hope for moving back toward the first season more in terms of ideas and storylines, and get back to certain kinds of basic things.  With Catherine on board, of course, we would have had to introduce the metamorph into that context, but I think we could have used it differently, in a less superficial and comic strip way.  Because, you know, some of those monsters we had were pitiful.  They didn't look very good.  They looked like rubber suits and that always bothered me.  I said 'My God, we're talking life and death here and then one of these silly clown outfits comes walking by and it looks like we should put a laugh track on this show.'  I mean, some of those alien characters - like the one that breathed chlorine in The AB Chrysalis - they were just pitiful, you know, because no one had enough time to make these things.  You read a script and there's this creature in it, so a bunch of guys get together and make this thing and cover it with a bunch of rubber and suddenly it's got this great significance because it's one of our leading characters in the next show!  We were looking at these things and saying, 'My God! This would be good on Saturday Night Live or Monty Python but not on Space: 1999!'  Now I have to say that we had wonderful make-up artists on the show and they were all terrific, very talented people, but when you get a script five days before you go in front of the camera and suddenly you need an alien character that breathes carbon monoxide and gives off laughing gas or something...well, it's tough."

 

About how they came to the show:  "I think when we first arrived, people didn't know what to expect from Barbara and myself.  I think the producers and directors had previously worked with other American actors who had come over to England and misbehaved a bit, and I think that maybe we had inherited a legacy from them.  We're professional actors and we had left Mission: Impossible at the height of its success - not for the reasons that were stated but because we just felt that the integrity of the show was being affected by the new people who were taking over at that time.  Anyway, when we came over to do Space: 1999, I think people expected us to be difficult to work with, but I think over all we lived that down to some degree."

 

Now, Landau's comments should be taken with more than a few grains of salt, but these are his unedited opinions about the series and about his work on it.  I believe he has completely misunderstood the point of Army uniforms, and his rationale for leaving Mission: Impossible sounds like a rewrite of what actually happened.  But to be fair, he's not just pointing a finger at Fred Freiberger - he's also saying that he thought Gerry Anderson should have taken a stronger position about the kind of show they were making.  And to be fair, Gerry Anderson himself says the same thing when he's asked about it.

 

I remember enjoying Series Two when I saw it as a child - it was instantly more approachable and understandable than Series One, and at the time I recall Starlog Magazine breathing a sigh of relief about the new episodes.  The feeling at the time was that the first year was too cerebral, with too much emphasis on some Mysterious Cosmic Force that never really gets named, and too many abstract concepts.  With the second year, there was always a solid sense of exactly what was happening and what the point of the story was.  In the years since then, I've grown to appreciate the first year much more, as the concepts have become more interesting to me.  But I can easily see how people can prefer the second year for its grounding.

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 This is exactly why I prefer season one over season two. Astronauts coming into contact with an unknown force, essentially. It has a very Lovecraftian vibe, in some respects.   

 

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The feeling at the time was that the first year was too cerebral, with too much emphasis on some Mysterious Cosmic Force that never really gets named, and too many abstract concepts. 

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Thanks for posting the interview with Landau. Good read. I also totally forgot that Martin Landau and Barbara Bain were making Mission: Impossible literally right next door to the Star Trek sound stages at the time Freibrerger was producing the third year of Trek.

In a sense, Landau was proven right. Overvtime people came to appreciate what the first was doing. And with the way the show changed in the second year, it makes for such a contrast! I have not seen the second year since I never got all the DVDs of the second year till recently. So I look forward to seeing it, or waiting for the blu ray.
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