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Apocalypse Now (Blu-ray)

 

Full Disclosure Edition

 

 

Circumstances conspired to delay the HTF review copy of this much-anticipated title so that I’ve only recently been able to view the main feature and the Hearts of Darkness documentary. I share the high opinion of the set’s audio and video quality already expressed by numerous sources, and the special features are so detailed and informative that I could become absorbed in them for days, and this review wouldn’t appear until 2011. (It’s especially tempting for someone whose connection to the film is so personal that I own a hard copy of the program distributed at the 70mm premieres.) So instead of the usual review, I offer the following reflections on a film that, when you add up the time in which it occurs, when it was made, and since it’s been released, covers most of my adult life. Indeed, it’s hard for me to remember a time when some aspect of Apocalypse Now wasn’t out there somewhere, somewhat like Kurtz.

 

 

Studio: Lionsgate

Rated: R

Film Length: 153 min. / 202 min. / 96 min.

Aspect Ratio: 2.35:1 / 2.35:1 / 4.3:1

HD Encoding: 1080p

HD Codec: AVC

Audio: English DTS-HD MA 5.1 / English DTS-HD MA 5.1 / English DTS-HD MA 2.0

Subtitles: English; English SDH; Spanish; French

MSRP: $59.99

Disc Format: 2 50 GB + 1 25 GB

Package: Digipack in cardboard slipcover, plus “Collector’s Edition Booklet”

Theatrical Release Date: Aug. 15, 1979

Blu-ray Release Date: Oct. 19, 2010

 

 

The Feature:

 

(Note: The following discussion assumes familiarity with the plot of Apocalypse Now.)

 

I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area during the years when AN was being filmed and edited. That’s American Zoetrope country, which made AN’s trials and tribulations a story of local interest; so I was acutely aware of just how much time had elapsed before the film reached theater screens. At about the time AN was released, I relocated to Boston, and I remember driving to a distant suburban theater on a crisp fall Friday in September to catch a late afternoon showing. Release patterns were different then, and the film had only just arrived. The version I saw was the 35mm release that ended with the credit sequence featuring the fiery destruction of the Kurtz compound that Coppola subsequently withdrew (and has since appeared as an extra on multiple home video versions, including the Blu-ray).

 

I don’t remember much about the drive back, except that I was rattling on to the classmate who’d accompanied me about moments in the film that had lodged in my head. I was dazed and overwhelmed, and I couldn’t make sense of anything. Somehow I knew that this was the beginning of a long relationship – but not with my classmate, who clearly didn’t care for the film and hadn’t a clue what I was talking about.

 

It’s hard to remember now, but in America the initial reaction to this icon of cinema was one of disappointment. It was probably inevitable. After all the buildup and delay, Coppola would have had to deliver something with the cumulative impact of Titanic, Avatar and all three Lord of the Rings to have a prayer of meeting expectations. And because he was dealing with a national trauma whose wounds were still fresh and the significance of which remains a subject of debate even today (and will probably continue to be argued for as long as American history is written), there was no chance that Coppola could ever provide an answer, only more questions. The New Yorker’s Pauline Kael didn’t review AN, but a year after its release, she summed up the reaction in a more general article:

  

 Part of the wide-spread anticipation of ‘Apocalypse Now’ was, I think, our readiness for a visionary, climactic, summing-up movie. We felt that the terrible rehash of pop culture couldn't go on, mustn't go on – that something new was needed. Coppola must have felt that, too, but he couldn't supply it. His film was posited on great thoughts arriving at the end – a confrontation and a revelation. And when they weren't there, people slunk out of the theaters, or tried to comfort themselves with chatter about the psychedelic imagery.

 

 

I thought Kael was wrong then, and I still do, but I understand what she was getting at. AN takes a sharp turn about two-thirds of the way through (more if you’re watching Redux, which I could only manage once), when Willard reaches the Kurtz compound, and launches into unknown territory. I believe that turn is essential to the film’s continuing vitality, but it’s hard to claim that Coppola “intended” this result, given the chaotic and improvisational manner in which the film was made (a process well-documented in Hearts of Darkness). But as great artists often do, Coppola seems to have intuited (or even blundered) into something unique, alive and protean. As he says in his introductory note to the “Full Disclosure” Blu-ray:

 

I was never totally sure what form the film would take as I was shooting it, or editing it, and in truth – I am not totally sure what it will do next, as it seems to have its own life.

 

 

AN has two major plot strands, roughly speaking. There’s the depiction of the Vietnam war, which gets crazier and more chaotic the farther we travel from Saigon, until, at the Do Long bridge, there’s only endless fighting without purpose, logic or even a commander. Then there’s the question of what happened to Kurtz, which is the mystery that keeps Willard moving upriver through the madness, when the PBR’s crew would rather be almost anywhere else. Every time I watch the film, those two stories tug and pull and reshape each other in what Dennis Hopper’s crazed photo-journalist would probably call a fit of “dialectics”– and every time the result is different.

 

The Vietnam sequences are easier to grasp, and they retain their power today. For this I salute the crack editing team that sorted through hundreds of hours of footage and emerged with such precise modulations between satire and tragedy that, even when you know what’s coming, you’re still kept off balance. You laugh at Colonel Kilgore’s gung-ho excesses and his surf obsession, but you also wince at the destruction he rains down on the village (and at the rescue helicopter a village girl blows up). You feel the absurdity of Clean’s exuberance when he’s dancing around the PBR to “Satisfaction”, then gulp when the same hopped-up adrenaline pulls the trigger on the family aboard the sampan. And you wail with Chief Phillips when Clean is abruptly shot down while his mother’s taped letter from home slowly plays on. Many war films worked with similar thematic elements, but AN was one of the first to concentrate so much of the detail and specificity of this particular war, as it had been reported to Americans and splashed across their TV screens, into a narrative populated by characters they could care about. (Platoon was still seven years in the future.) It was primarily these scenes that stuck in my mind after I left that first viewing in 1979.

 

Then we reach the Kurtz compound and find Marlon Brando reading T.S. Eliot. What the hell?

 

When I was in college, Eliot was a minor deity among English professors, which means that I’d spent many hours with his slim poetic output. When I first saw Brando/Kurtz reading “The Hollow Men”, I snorted out loud, because I knew there was only one reason to have him do so. Eliot stuffed his poems with references both obvious and obscure, and “The Hollow Men” bears two epigraphs; the first is from Conrad’s Heart of Darkness, on which AN is loosely based: “Mistah Kurtz – he dead.” (IMDb says this is the poem’s first line; they’re wrong.) I snorted even more loudly when the camera panned over Kurtz’s books to reveal From Ritual to Romance and The Golden Bough. What was Kurtz doing with such obscure academic texts? The people who read those tomes today are usually English majors poring over Eliot’s youthful masterpiece, The Wasteland, a poem so scholarly that the poet himself provided footnotes (some of which are even more highbrow than the poem itself). If one is staring into the abyss, trying to make friends with “horror” and “moral terror”, as Kurtz says, these pedantic volumes are not likely places where one would seek guidance. Clearly, it wasn’t Kurtz who’d been spending too much time with T.S. Eliot. It was Coppola and probably his co-screenwriter, John Milius. They’d fallen into the old trap of telling us about Kurtz’s despair instead of showing us.

 

(And not telling it very well either. The preferred reading of a man who says what Kurtz does in AN should be an author like Nietzsche, Camus or Sartre – but certainly not Eliot, whose spiritual crisis led him straight into the arms of the Anglican Church and whose late poems were pure acts of devotion.)

 

Brando’s Kurtz seemed to derail the movie, and that was a common reaction when AN was released. Part of the problem was Brando himself. After the career resurgence of The Godfather, his infamous rejection of the Oscar made him an eccentric celebrity (again), and it was hard to see past that. Today, in an odd turn of fate, it’s easier to see Brando as Kurtz, after the actor’s own personal tragedies and the slow dissolution preceding his death.

 

But something else has happened with the two plot strands of AN over the years. Like an Italian sauce that becomes more flavorful when the ingredients permeate each other over time, Kurtz’s mystery and the quest to reach it have bonded in unexpected ways. In Se7en, Morgan Freeman’s Det. Somerset presciently warns his partner that they’ll be disappointed if they capture their suspect and he turns out to be anything less than the devil incarnate. Their suspect turns out to be just a man, but he gives them a glimpse of hell just the same. Kurtz presents a similar paradox. Willard is drawn to him not because of his mission, but by a need that Willard himself can barely articulate – a need for something transcendent, something larger, smarter, grander than himself, something that will make sense of the life he’s led, fill the emptiness inside him and tell him who he is and where he belongs (since, as he announces at the beginning, he’s no longer at home either stateside or in the jungle).

 

But when Willard arrives at Kurtz’s compound, what he finds is . . . just a man. A man who is as frustrated, lost and despairing as Willard, and who has become so detached from the human being he once was that casual savagery means nothing to him, just as it means nothing to Willard when he executes the woman on the sampan. Surrounded by books – any books, because they’re all useless relics of a civilization to which he no longer feels any connection – Kurtz has no answers and simply waits for oblivion. This is the “god” that Willard has come to find.

 

Look back over AN, and you can see exactly the path that brought Kurtz to this point. The war plot is Kurtz’s story, in abbreviated form. You start with the officers and CIA man in Da Trang, with their files, orders and bureaucratese (“unsound” methods; “terminate with extreme prejudice”). Then you experience the war as it’s actually fought by officers like Kilgore – still disciplined, but of necessity a little crazy, or else how could they keep on fighting a war without a clearly defined goal or a coherent strategy? Then gradually, even the order that Kilgore represents falls to pieces, as the efforts to maintain morale devolve into a riot at the USO, and the efforts to follow routine turn into the random and pointless slaughter of the family on the sampan. Eventually all that remains is the anarchy of the Do Long bridge. Willard no longer needs to read Kurtz’s classified report. He’s just experienced it on fast forward.

 

The note scrawled in red that Willard finds among Kurtz’s papers is taken from Heart of Darkness, but it’s been subtly rephrased for maximum ambiguity: “DROP THE BOMB. EXTERMINATE THEM ALL.” Just who is the “them” to which Kurtz is referring? Who would a man who’s reached the end of that particular rope want to exterminate? The North Vietnamese? The entire country? The generals in Da Trang (those “grocery clerks” for whom Kurtz has such contempt)? The nation that was too weak to do what was necessary and that rejected him for seeing the truth? The entire human race? One wonders if even Kurtz knew.

 

Today when I watch AN and listen to Kurtz utter his famous dying words taken directly from Conrad (“The horror! The horror!”), I don’t hear Kurtz. I hear Chef screaming about wanting to go home and cook; I hear Lance howling about the dog (absurd in the moment, but it’s where all his emotion comes out); and I hear Chief Phillips crying over Clean’s body. These are experiences of genuine horror, and when enough of them accumulate, they empty out a person until he becomes what Willard was at the beginning of AN – and then what Kurtz is at the end. Coppola was right to end the film by immediately going to black – no credits, no nothing – when Willard departs the compound with Lance, because what happens next should be a giant question mark hovering in the air for the viewer to ponder. Where does Willard go now? Who does he see? What does he tell them?

 

 

Video:

 

As advertised, AN is presented in its original 2.35:1 aspect ratio, and this should finally put an end to the debates about the film’s appropriate width. Yes, there would have been some cropping for 70mm exhibition, and yes, arguments could be made for compromise when we were stuck with NTSC resolution – but this is Blu-ray. We finally have the full width of the Technovision frame, and the compositions are stunning.

 

So is the detail of the transfer, whether it’s the sweat beading on Willard’s face, the vegetation of the jungle, the debris and smoke during the battle scenes, the crowd and costumes at the USO – name a scene, and there’s something new to see in it. Black levels are excellent, which is crucial for sequences like the Do Long bridge and the scenes in Kurtz’s quarters. And the colors . . . well, AN is famous for what Kael call its “psychedelic” imagery, and here it gets depth and intensity that haven’t been seen since a theatrical screening.

 

This isn’t just a superior transfer; it’s a more faithful one. Over the years, cinematographer Vittorio Storaro has indulged in revisionism that far exceeds the cropping that has been the subject of so much discussion. He’s also revised the color timing in numerous portions of the film. If you want an example, look at the sequence where Willard first encounters Colonel Kilgore on the previous DVD (the “Complete Dossier” version). The entire sequence is much darker and browner than on the Blu-ray, for reasons that still elude me. I could have found other examples, but it was hard to watch the DVD after experiencing the visual luxuriance of the Blu-ray. Suffice it to say that, while watching the new version, I never once had the feeling, as I often have before, that someone had come along and “painted over” portions of the film.

 

I have seen claims of excess compression, but no signs of it appeared on my viewing screen. Nor did I see anything to betray the presence of inappropriate noise reduction or other digital manipulation.

 

As for Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker’s Apocalypse, it is presented in it original 4:3 aspect ratio and looks every bit as good as the original source material will allow, given that much of it is either video or 16mm film and was shot under less than ideal conditions. It’s to the credit of the Blu-ray set’s producers that this essential documentary was mastered and released in high definition, allowing the best possible presentation of this “warts and all” portrait of a director on the edge.

 

One final note: In all the harsh pronouncements that have been made about Vittorio Storaro and his admittedly eccentric notions about the presentation of widescreen images on home video, one point tends to get lost. As this Blu-ray confirms, Storaro managed to capture some of the most unusual and indelible images in the history of cinema for AN. As Hearts of Darkness graphically demonstrates, he accomplished this feat under conditions so unimaginably challenging that many cinematographers would have quit and high-tailed it for home. Storaro earned that Oscar, and honor is due.

 

 

Audio:

 

Walter Murch’s sound mix for AN has been demo material ever since its first appearance in stereo surround on laserdisc, and the DTS lossless track on Blu-ray is its finest presentation to date. Signature moments like the helicopter “fly around” that opens the film, the distant “arclight” strike and Kilgore’s Wagner-assisted attack on the village retain their detail and authority. But the more I listen to Murch’s work, the more I find myself listening to his use of silence, which, in the right hands, can be as authoritative as thunder. Listen, for example, to the way he cuts from the blare of Kilgore’s music to the quiet of the unsuspecting village. Or note the way sounds begin to disappear in the scene at the Do Long bridge, when “Roach” is summoned to dispatch a VC who’s hiding nearby and taunting the Americans; as Roach hones in on the enemy’s location, the soundtrack mimics his focus, hearing only what he hears – until Roach’s grenade explodes and the VC is dead. Now that is how to tell a story with sound.

 

The soundtrack for Hearts of Darkness is DTS 2.0 lossless, and like the film transfer, it’s serviceable. The essential requirement is that we be able to understand the speakers, whether in interviews or in documentary footage, and the track delivers.

 

 

Special Features:

 

New special features are marked with an asterisk.

 

Disc 1:

 

Commentary by Director Francis Ford Coppola.

 

 

Disc 2:

 

*An Interview with John Milius.

 

*A Conversation with Martin Sheen and Francis Ford Coppola.

 

*Fred Roos: Casting Apocalypse.

 

Mercury Theatre on the Air: “Heart of Darkness” – November 6, 1938. Reading by Orson Welles. The menu mistakenly says “Hearts of Darkness”.

 

“The Hollow Men”.

 

Monkey Sampan “Lost Scene”.

 

Additional Scenes.

 

Kurtz Compound Destruction with Credits. The Coppola commentary cannot be switched off.

 

The Birth of 5.1 Sound.

 

Ghost Helicopter Flyover.

 

Apocalypse Now: The Synthesizer Soundtrack by Bob Moog.

 

A Million Feet of Film: The Editing of Apocalypse Now.

 

The Music of Apocalypse Now.

 

Heard Any Good Movies Lately? The Sound Design of Apocalypse Now.

 

The Final Mix.

 

Apocalypse Then and Now.

 

2001 Cannes Film Festival: Francis Ford Coppola.

 

PBR Streetgang.

 

The Color Palette of Apocalypse Now.

 

Disc Credits.

 

Also from Lionsgate. Trailers for Tetro, The Doors and a notice that The Conversation is coming in 2011.

 

 

Disc 3:

 

Commentary with Eleanor and Francis Ford Coppola.

 

John Milius Script Selections with Notes by Francis Ford Coppola.

 

Storyboard Gallery.

 

Photo Archive.

 

Marketing Archive (trailer, posters, preview program, etc.).

 

 

In Conclusion:

 

Coppola borrowed liberally from T.S. Eliot; so why shouldn’t I? The experience of watching AN, especially in this new Blu-ray edition, reminds me of some oft-quoted lines from “Little Gidding”, the last of Eliot’s Four Quartets:

  

We shall not cease from exploration

And the end of all our exploring

Will be to arrive where we started

And know the place for the first time.

 

Eliot was referring to the experience of seeing things anew after a religious awakening, but one can similarly express the experience of seeing a work of art differently due to time, distance, the work’s inherent dynamism, and yes, a new presentation that brings us closer to the work’s qualities than has been possible in many years. Such is the experience of seeing Apocalypse Now on Blu-ray.

 

 

 

Equipment used for this review:

 

Panasonic BDP-BD50 Blu-ray player (DTS-HD MA decoded internally and output as analog)

Samsung HL-T7288W DLP display (connected via HDMI)                                                              

Lexicon MC-8 connected via 5.1 passthrough

Sunfire Cinema Grand amplifier

Monitor Audio floor-standing fronts and MA FX-2 rears

Boston Accoustics VR-MC center

SVS SB12-Plus sub 


Edited by Michael Reuben - 4/17/11 at 12:35pm

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post #2 of 25

Thank you for the review, Michael.  You've clearly spent some time thinking through what you've presented here.

 

I noticed a few things in going through the Full Disclosure Edition that hadn't occurred to me before. 

 

The biggest is that a good portion of the featurette material on the 2nd Disc appears to me to be culled from what had been a longer cut of "Hearts of Darkness" before it was edited down to the length we saw in 1991.  I specifically mean all the stuff about the post production, the scoring and the narration (where the interview material and the onscreen typeface line up with what we've already seen in "Hearts of Darkness".)  I think a choice was made to really focus the documentary on the production of the film more than the post, and I'm glad this material has been made available first on the "Complete Dossier" and now on the Blu-ray.  It's important to remember that Coppola spent a very long time editing the movie and figuring out the narration and music, with the help not only of Michael Herr but also of John Milius, who can be seen in the footage here.

 

I also got a lot of satisfaction from reading Milius' script excerpts on the 3rd Disc.  I had been told that the whole helicopter attack was thought of and written after Coppola got to the Phillipines to shoot the film.  The script proves this to be false.  Milius had that attack in the script from when it was going to be a low budget shoot with George Lucas directing.   (I have to say I think Kilgore is an extreme name, but Kharnage is ridiculous...)

 

And I appreciated seeing the complete 2001 Cannes interview of Coppola by Roger Ebert - particularly given Ebert's condition these days.  It's very difficult for me to put the two images of the man together, and an interview this relatively recent drove that issue home for me. 

 

I agree with your thoughts on Storaro - his work here is truly magnificent.  The same applies to Walter Murch.

post #3 of 25

An excellent review, Michael.  I was struck by your point about the initial watching experience and in particular that of the American audience expecting the film to offer some  sort of (definitive ?) answer to the traumatic Vietnam years.  One of the reasons we go to great art is to find answers - I remember reading Anna Karenina and expecting the final chapters to offer up some kind of revelation, but on reflection all we can get is more questions, not answers.  But it shows how great Apocalypse Now is that we expect so much from it. 

post #4 of 25

I had the pleasure of viewing Apocalypse Now in 70mm at the Cinerama Dome in Hollywood during the theater's 30th anniversary celebration, with Roger Ebert sitting in the row behind me.

 

To this day, it is still one of the most memorable movie-going experiences of my life.

post #5 of 25

Thanks for the fantastic review Michael.

 

As I have watched AN over the years it had gone from a movie about the Vietnam War to a movie that reveals insanity to the masses in visual form.

 

Here we get to see the pathology of insanity through a clear lens. No color filters. No visual effects. Just mass insanity for all to witness. There is no offer for some sort of treatment to make everything alright. We are shown the asylum of war. The big padded room of another country and its people where the insane get to go and play out their warped minds without fear of it ending. When insanity is allowed to run a muck its ending fades to black.

 

 

 

post #6 of 25

Incredible review, Michael.  Always look forward to your perspective and thoughts!

post #7 of 25

Spectacular review Michael. Almost makes me want to import the US Blu-ray, but I think I'll wait for that mythical UK box set with free postcards, posters, mouse mat, mini-surfboard and book of poetry. smiley_wink.gif

post #8 of 25

Superb review, Michael, and an excellent analysis of T.S. Eliot as well! I will be ordering the full disclosure edition as soon as an anticipated Amazon gift certificate arrives in the mail.

post #9 of 25

I've only ever seen this film once on DVD back when the first DVD version came out.  That first viewing (probably on my old 32" 4x3 TV) didn't really do much for me, and I haven't gotten around to giving it another try since then.  Sounds like it's time to give it another try perhaps on BD rental this time around.  And regardless of whether I end up loving it (or remaining a bit ambivalent about it), I'm still very glad to see that this classic has finally gotten its well deserved, superlatively definitive release on BD for all its fans out there.

 

Kudos to Coppola and his production company.   And yes, kudos too to Storaro's *original* work on this film despite all his odd, suspect revisionism since then...

 

And thanks, Michael, for yet another superb review!

 

_Man_

 

PS:  For anyone who plans to buy this set real soon, the B&N site still seems to have the best deal going for it w/ a 15% coupon on top of their ~$38 online price (w/ free shipping) -- do a quick google, and you should find the relevant coupon (whether you're a B&N club member or not).  If you have a Discover Card and shop thru their B&N portal, you can save another 10% in credit card cashback.  There are other comparable discount portals though I'm not too sure you can stack a coupon w/ those discounts.

post #10 of 25

Barnes & Noble is also a Best Buy RewardZone Mall partner, so if you purchase through that portal, you can get 2 RZ points for every dollar spent at BN.com.
 

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PS:  For anyone who plans to buy this set real soon, the B&N site still seems to have the best deal going for it w/ a 15% coupon on top of their ~$38 online price (w/ free shipping) -- do a quick google, and you should find the relevant coupon (whether you're a B&N club member or not).  If you have a Discover Card and shop thru their B&N portal, you can save another 10% in credit card cashback.  There are other comparable discount portals though I'm not too sure you can stack a coupon w/ those discounts.

post #11 of 25
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Barnes & Noble is also a Best Buy RewardZone Mall partner, so if you purchase through that portal, you can get 2 RZ points for every dollar spent at BN.com.
 


Gosh.  I just don't know how one is supposed to keep up with all this stuff.  I never knew that. 

post #12 of 25

Seriously! 

 

Seemingly countless methods or avenues for buying one particular item from one particular retailer.  Incredible.

post #13 of 25

wow is all I can say to the review.

 

It's interesting that the movie has lots none of its power.

post #14 of 25

Adding to the praise... great review, Michael.  One of the best I can recall reading on HTF. 

 

I already spent some nice time last week poring through the extras on disc 2, now I am really itching to watch the film again.

post #15 of 25

Very good review.

 

I watched the theatrical version recently and they really did a nice job with it.  Beforehand, I was a bit concerned about the accusations of DNR I had read on other forums, but I saw no issues with this release.  I'm looking forward to watching Redux soon.

post #16 of 25

Excellent review. I'd like to share my own first experience with this film.  I actually saw it in a tiny theater, so it wasn't 70mm and it certainly didn't do the movie justice.  BUT the theater did something odd, which I thought was pretty cool.  They started the movie with the end credits (which is a long sequence), then they went into the film's opening.  Then, at the end of the movie, you see the last shot where you hear "the horror, the horror."  And then the theater's curtains drew.  No end credits.  It was dramatic.  And for years, I thought this was the way the film was supposed to be presented!

post #17 of 25

Huh.  I wonder if they just stopped the projector early...or if some creative projectionist decided to take matters into his/her own hands? 

 

Quite a review, Michael.

post #18 of 25
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Quite a review, Michael.


Indeed. I never connected with this movie, but this review makes me want to watch it again. Heck, it makes me want to watch a movie, any movie! biggrin.gif

 

--

H

post #19 of 25

A question about the chapter stops:

 

Am I missing something or did they forget or just not include chapter stops for the Redux scenes? I couldn't find one in the pop-up menu for either the Playboy Bunny or French Plantation or cargo container scenes.

post #20 of 25
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Huh.  I wonder if they just stopped the projector early...or if some creative projectionist decided to take matters into his/her own hands? 

 

Quite a review, Michael.


I'm pretty sure it was intentional, as they ran the credits in the beginning and then did the thing with drawing the curtains.  I'd been to that theater before and had never seen them draw the curtains.

post #21 of 25
Thread Starter 

 

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A question about the chapter stops:

 

Am I missing something or did they forget or just not include chapter stops for the Redux scenes? I couldn't find one in the pop-up menu for either the Playboy Bunny or French Plantation or cargo container scenes.


Both Redux and the 1979 version have the same chapter markers.
 

post #22 of 25

 

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This isn’t just a superior transfer; it’s a more faithful one. Over the years, cinematographer Vittorio Storaro has indulged in revisionism that far exceeds the cropping that has been the subject of so much discussion. He’s also revised the color timing in numerous portions of the film. If you want an example, look at the sequence where Willard first encounters Colonel Kilgore on the previous DVD (the “Complete Dossier” version). The entire sequence is much darker and browner than on the Blu-ray, for reasons that still elude me. I could have found other examples, but it was hard to watch the DVD after experiencing the visual luxuriance of the Blu-ray. Suffice it to say that, while watching the new version, I never once had the feeling, as I often have before, that someone had come along and “painted over” portions of the film.

 

I had just the opposite sensation. The film is now suffused in an overbearing yellow haze. I highly doubt this is faithful to the original theatrical experience. This overly stylized revisionism is driving me up a wall. Does every big film have to be tarted up for the 2010 era audiences?

post #23 of 25
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 I highly doubt this is faithful to the original theatrical experience.


Not strictly, but this is how the colorist described the approach in the interview at The Digital Bits:

 

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Bill Hunt: Looking at the screenshot comparisons you guys provided between the 2001 master and the new 2010 master, there's a marked difference in the color-timing. Color seems more vibrant now, and contrasts are bolder. Can you talk about that? How those decisions were made and what the differences might be?

Doug Delaney:
Sure, I can touch on that and James [Mockoski (American Zoetrope)]can chime in. One of the original conversations we began to have when we started looking at doing this work, was using the original transfer in 2001 as a reference – as indicative of the best possible transfer at the time, using that technology, and with a lot of time spent with Vittorio on that original transfer. We also screened – myself, James and Mr. Coppola – the dye-transfer print as well. And we wanted to get back to that in terms of not just aspect ratio, but the contrast and color saturation characteristics of a dye-transfer print in terms of its natural rendition – to be a little bit more, I guess, faithful to that original projection of that dye-transfer print. To get to that point, there was a little bit of negotiation between using both sources as inspiration, I guess is the best way I could put it, between that beautiful dye-transfer print Mr. Coppola had as well as honoring the time and quality of the transfer in '01 that obviously had Vittorio's time put into it. Some scenes tended to carry over very well with regard to the two transfers, and some scenes felt more akin to the dye-transfer print.

Bill Hunt:
So in other words, the goal was to get as close to that original dye-transfer presentation as possible, but still have it informed by Francis and Vittorio's 2001 work and the improvements over time.

Doug Delaney:
Yes, I say that's it.

 

I don't claim to have a clear memory of the color palette I saw over 30 years ago. However, I've seen every disc-based version since then, and I've watched the palette change with successive versions. Viewer preference is inescapably subjective, and all I can say is what was in the review: The Blu-ray is the first version I've seen in a while that doesn't strike me as somehow wrong. As always, YMMV, but nobody will ever be able to claim that one version or another is "right", because all of them have been approved by the filmmakers. (And that's yet another perennial argument.)

 

The one point where I disagree is that the look of the Blu-ray was driven by the expectations of a contemporary audience (a topic also addressed in the Bits interview, BTW). I review a lot of contemporary films finished on DI and polished to a high sheen that looks almost like video. The image on this disc looks nothing like that. And as Pauline Kael's article confirms, strong, stylized colors have always been an essential element of the film. The issue over the years has been which one(s) to accentuate.


Edited by Michael Reuben - 11/10/10 at 12:42pm
post #24 of 25

Thanks. I can always add bookmarks & already have. Just seems like a strange oversight on the part of the BR production crew. I'm pretty sure my DVD Dossier edition has stops for the chapters I'm talking about. Oh well, oh hell. The movie still looks INCREDIBLE on BR tho!

post #25 of 25

Interesting points about the color timing.  I wonder if this new color timing will actually make the film work better for me this time around...

 

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