WHV Announcement: Looney Tunes Super Stars Foghorn & Tweety

Let me guess. Double Dipping ?

And what's with this "& Friends" title on Foghorn's DVD ? Does that mean they aren't all Foghorn shorts ? There are more than enough Foghorn titles to fill an entire set on their own.

I assume the "& Friends" tag is just referancing the baby chicken hawk and the dog in those cartoons.

Wonder where they got the 913 million Looney Tunes DVD's shipped to date from? If they're closing in on a billion Looney Tunes DVD sales, why the heck are they just trickling out? Spend a penny for each of those DVD's sold (Over 9 million dollars) and I imagine you'd of had more then enough to fund the full restoration cost and development cost for every last remaining Looney Tunes cartoon for DVD release.

That must be some fancy math they use over at Warner.

After getting the rude shock of the fake widescreen debacle in the Bugs and Daffy releases, I won't be buying anymore WB discs until they get it right.

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Originally Posted by LeoAmes 

I assume the "& Friends" tag is just referancing the baby chicken hawk and the dog in those cartoons.

 

List of cartoons, posted at TVShowsonDVD.  The "friends" are a handful of toons with Elmer Fudd, Goofy Gophers, The Honeymousers, and the Two Crows.

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Originally Posted by David Rain 

Let me guess. Double Dipping ?

 

 

It certainly appears so. Note how it says Never-before-on-DVD on the Foghorn disc, yet the Tweety disc only mentions "Timeless Favorites". And going by the list on tvshowsondvd.com, I already noticed several titles that have already been released as part of the Golden Collections (e.g. ALL A-BIRRRRD, CANARY ROW or PUDDY TAT TROUBLE). I still purchased the recent Bugs and Duffy discs... but now I'm officially out!

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Originally Posted by Christian Preischl 

Note how it says Never-before-on-DVD on the Foghorn disc, yet the Tweety disc only mentions "Timeless Favorites". And going by the list on tvshowsondvd.com, I already noticed several titles that have already been released as part of the Golden Collections.

Two weeks ago on "Stu's Show" @ shokusradio.com, Jerry Beck announced that the Sylvester & Tweety disc would recycle Golden Collection content.  The Foghorn disc would be new-to-DVD material (although 1 double-dip is listed).  I understood him to say that future, general retail releases would follow a similar strategy.

Jerry was quite clear... the future of collector-interest Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies was shifting to the Warner Archive.

This is why I hated to see the Golden Collections end. Look at what we are getting in place of them.

I am not double dipping. Period. 

I'm confused about you guys talking about "double dipping."  The ad says these have never been released to DVD before.  Is that not true?

Here's the complete list based on what's been posted on tvshowsondvd.com:

All Fowled Up (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Fox Terrier (Foghorn) – New to DVD but incorrect title; it’s called “Fox Terror”

A Broken Leghorn (Foghorn) – already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1

Crockett Doodle Doo (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Weasel While You Work (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Weasel Stop (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Little Boy Boo (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Banty Raids (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Strangled Eggs (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Gopher Broke (Goofy Gophers) New to DVD

A Mutt In A Rut (Elmer Fudd) New to DVD

Mouse-Placed Kitten (Misc.) New to DVD

Cheese It The Cat (The Honey Mousers) New to DVD

Two Crows From Tacos (Two Crows) New to DVD

Crow's Feet (Elmer Fudd) New to DVD but title mis-spelled; it’s “Crow’s Feat”

TWEETY PIE - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

BAD OL' PUTTY TAT  - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

ALL A-BIRRRRD - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

CANARY ROW - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1

PUDDY TAT TWOUBLE - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1. Title incorrect “Putty Tat Trouble”

ROOM AND BIRD - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

TWEETY'S S.O.S. - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1

TWEET TWEET TWEETY - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

GIFT WRAPPED - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

AIN'T SHE TWEET  - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

SNOW BUSINESS - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

SATAN'S WAITIN - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 6

THE LAST HUNGRY CAT - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 3

BIRDS ANONYMOUS  - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 3

TWEETY AND THE BEANSTALK - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 5

Notice that only 1 short is a duplicate in the Foghorn Leghorn disc and ALL have been released before for the Tweety and Sylvester disc. What a joke!!!

And I ask WB - why did you guys discontinue the Golden Collection? It was too good of a product to continue? Why give the consumer what they want? I don't get you guys.....

Signed,

"Frustrated" 

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff 

I'm confused about you guys talking about "double dipping."  The ad says these have never been released to DVD before.  Is that not true?

The ad only says "never before on DVD" for the Foghorn Leghorn set. The other set simply says "15 timeless favorites".

The conspicuous absence of any cartoons made prior to 1954 on the Foghorn Leghorn set suggests that it is exclusively 16:9 enhanced matted widescreen.  Of course, that also means that it is missing some of the best Foghorn Leghorn cartoons.  I would rather have had another six Foghorn Leghorn cartoons from the earlier era than the "and friends" stuff, but any unreleased LT/MM stuff is appreciated, I guess.

I will not hold my breath for the sets devoted to Bosko and Inki, though.

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Thanks for the information below -- from one "Joe" to another.

I THOUGHT the T&S set was extensively double-dipped... but REALLY!  EVERYTHING? 

I repeat... EVERYTHING? 

Thanks for the sour persimmons, Warner!   

 

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Originally Posted by Joe*A 

Here's the complete list based on what's been posted on tvshowsondvd.com:

 

 

All Fowled Up (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Fox Terrier (Foghorn) – New to DVD but incorrect title; it’s called “Fox Terror”

A Broken Leghorn (Foghorn) – already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1

Crockett Doodle Doo (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Weasel While You Work (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Weasel Stop (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Little Boy Boo (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Banty Raids (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Strangled Eggs (Foghorn) New to DVD to DVD

Gopher Broke (Goofy Gophers) New to DVD

A Mutt In A Rut (Elmer Fudd) New to DVD

Mouse-Placed Kitten (Misc.) New to DVD

Cheese It The Cat (The Honey Mousers) New to DVD

Two Crows From Tacos (Two Crows) New to DVD

Crow's Feet (Elmer Fudd) New to DVD but title mis-spelled; it’s “Crow’s Feat”

 

 

TWEETY PIE - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

BAD OL' PUTTY TAT  - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

ALL A-BIRRRRD - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

CANARY ROW - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1

PUDDY TAT TWOUBLE - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1. Title incorrect “Putty Tat Trouble”

ROOM AND BIRD - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

TWEETY'S S.O.S. - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 1

TWEET TWEET TWEETY - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

GIFT WRAPPED - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

AIN'T SHE TWEET  - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

SNOW BUSINESS - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 2

SATAN'S WAITIN - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 6

THE LAST HUNGRY CAT - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 3

BIRDS ANONYMOUS  - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 3

TWEETY AND THE BEANSTALK - already released on Golden Collection Vol. 5

 

Notice that only 1 short is a duplicate in the Foghorn Leghorn disc and ALL have been released before for the Tweety and Sylvester disc. What a joke!!!

 

And I ask WB - why did you guys discontinue the Golden Collection? It was too good of a product to continue? Why give the consumer what they want? I don't get you guys.....

 

Signed,

"Frustrated" 

While I'll *probably* pick up the Foghorn set as he's my favorite, I'm very disappointed the toons are not *all* Foghorn toons.  I also lament the shift of "collector product" LT to the Warner Archive.  So far I've resisted any/all MOD disks even though there are a half-dozen or so films I'd like to own that, unfortunately, are on that format.  If the LT collector market shifts to MOD it looks like I'm done unless they decide to charge prices more in line with the lower quality format.  Charging *more* for MOD than a pressed disk is outrageous.  If you truly think the demand is that low just outsource it already.

Overall a very sorry state of affairs for LT at WB.

There's no reason why the Foghorn set should have been screwed up. Seriously. Most of this titles had not been on DVD so it should have been easy to fill up his set. In fact they could have just put all of this on one set and been done with it. Foghorn Leghorn: The Complete Collection. Would that really have been so difficult ?  But no, they had to screw with it and add on additional, needless other shorts. They didn't think Foghorn alone could carry a set ?  These added shorts are simply taking up space where more Foghorn could have gone. Damn.

They really need a dedicated LT collector to be a consultant on these sets. Because they seem to always get something wrong.

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Originally Posted by David Rain 

There's no reason why the Foghorn set should have been screwed up. Seriously. Most of this titles had not been on DVD so it should have been easy to fill up his set. In fact they could have just put all of this on one set and been done with it. Foghorn Leghorn: The Complete Collection. Would that really have been so difficult ?  But no, they had to screw with it and add on additional, needless other shorts. They didn't think Foghorn alone could carry a set ?  These added shorts are simply taking up space where more Foghorn could have gone. Damn.

 

Honestly (…And here’s a situation that the phrase “Your mileage may vary!” was created for!), I don’t mind the other shorts on the Foghorn set.  In my view, it becomes a stronger package.

Why?  Because, with the exception of Bugs and Daffy, most LT and MM series are – to one degree or another – repetitious.  And, frankly, it even began to show with Bugs and Daffy on the most recent sets… Stork, B&D on various television productions, even both vs. the Tasmanian Devil, and lots of Bugs vs. Sam. 

When the Golden Collections did those discs of Road Runner, Tweety and Sylvester, and Speedy Gonzales, it certainly felt like “too much of a good thing” – and it undoubtedly WAS for some of us.  In fact, in an odd way, I’m GLAD to be able to skip the T&S set for that exact reason. Had there been a few “Friends” shorts – that HADN’T already been released – I’d be buying that too. 

Of course, I expect true “Foggy Fans” to disagree… but, would those of you feel better if we had a commitment – even a “believable chance” – that ALL of the Foghorn shorts would eventually be released?   I’d suspect so. 

My displeasure is with Warner’s handling of the LT & MM franchise as a WHOLE, than over any particular set.  It was once the best, and now it’s the worst! 

The T&S complete double dip is aimed at a different audience than the ones who bought the golden/spotlight collections.  There are lots of people who are fans, but not that type of collector.

I LIKE having variety on my DVD shorts collections, so I'm glad that Foghorn includes something more than just Foghorn.  As someone else stated, too much of 1 thing is too repetitive and makes it extremely difficult to watch in 1 or 2 sittings.  VARIETY is what this fan likes.  Jerry Beck has been a fine consultant so far.

I don't understand the ONE double dip cartoon on the Foghorn DVD.  I think I read somewhere that the future of this particular line will include 1 DVD that's all double dip, and 1 DVD that's all new.  I can live with that, but seriously, NO DOUBLE DIPPING on the one DVD--it's a waste of space on what I'm paying for.  There's plenty of other choices that could have been made here.

Warner Archive?  I supported it in the 1st wave or 2, but now see that I'm not made of money, and I don't want to pay more for a DVDR.  I understand WB taking that route, but, unfortunately, it's just not for me, so I'll do without.

Mixed feelings on the widescreen thing.  Some look okay, but some don't.  I support original aspect ratio, but something's just not right on some of these cartoons, in my experience.  I preferred the Golden Collection 1.33 ratio for these.  And these cartoons are the only time I've said that.

Why is this in the TV section instead of the Theatrical section?

These discussions always sadden me, because it could have been so simple.

Straighforward chronological sets, not necessarily starting at the beginning, would have solved so many problems.

They wouldn't have to figure out what to put on a set.

There wouldn't be the repetition of one Road Runner, Pepe LePew, Speedy Gonzales or Hippety Hopper cartoon after another.

They wouldn't have to worry about finding a place for "one shots" like "One Froggy Evening."

Any set with the faces of Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Tweety, etc. smiling out at people and the words "Looney Tunes" in big letters would attact the general public.  There'd be something for everyone.

And, boy, would it have made the serious collectors happy!

But no.  We get this ridiculous mess instead.

And I'm not buying any of these new sets, for many reasons.

And even if they start doing it "right" via the Archive, I'm not sure I want to invest a large sum of money in DVD-Rs.

They really blew this one.

I agree with Joe L's last sentence :  "They really blew this one."

On one hand, WHV brags about shipping close to a billion units of LT.  That would suggest they are popular and salable, even in the current economy.  On the other hand, they have dropped the Golden Collections in favor of these less than stellar single discs and, worse yet, are looking to dump the LT into an overpriced DVD-R program.

I am  thankful we got the 6 Golden Collections and 3 Popeyes, but very, very disappointed that these have apparently come to the end of the line.

Thanks for the info on the LT stuff, guys.

I have 5 of the 6 LT "Golden Coll" sets.  I haven't got Vol 6 so far.  I'd heard that V6 contained mostly very old shorts from the 30's? 

I have a question for the LT experts here:  Approx how many LT shorts remain unreleased after the Golden Vol sets 1-6?

"I am  thankful we got the 4 Golden Collections and 4 Popeyes"

Weren't there 6 Looney Tunes Golden Collections and 3 Popeyes?

"Approx how many LT shorts remain unreleased after the Golden Vol sets 1-6?"

Unless I'm mistaken, there were 56 cartoons in Vol. 1 and 60 in Vols. 2 through 6, for a total of 356.  There were 1,003 Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies cartoons released by Warner Bros. in the original series running from 1930 to 1969, so that means there were 647 unreleased after Vol. 6.

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Originally Posted by Jeff Willis 

I have 5 of the 6 LT "Golden Coll" sets.  I haven't got Vol 6 so far.  I'd heard that V6 contained mostly very old shorts from the 30's? 

 

Yes, on one disc.  Just like previous sets contained one disc of Road Runner, Tweety, Speedy, etc.  The other three discs were more of the usual variety – except for a severe shortage of Bugs Bunny.  I think there were only three Bugs cartoons in the whole set.

I’m actually glad we got that “Old Disc”, because it doesn’t look as if we’ll be getting the like of it anytime soon.  And it IS part of LT&MM history.  

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff 

 

Unless I'm mistaken, there were 56 cartoons in Vol. 1 and 60 in Vols. 2 through 6, for a total of 356.  There were 1,003 Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies cartoons released by Warner Bros. in the original series running from 1930 to 1969, so that means there were 647 unreleased after Vol. 6.

So, at 647 minus 15 on the new Bugs set, minus 15 on the new Daffy set, and minus 14 on the new Foghorn set = 603 to go! 

Anything to count on the “Essential Bugs Bunny” that’s coming this fall?  “A Wild Hare”, perhaps, or anything else? 

Bottom line is, I doubt we’ll ever see them all – for a number of reasons.  Just wanna get as close as possible. 

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Originally Posted by Joe Lugoff 

"I am  thankful we got the 4 Golden Collections and 4 Popeyes"

 

Weren't there 6 Looney Tunes Golden Collections and 3 Popeyes?

 

 

Yes.   I have no idea why I typed 4/4 especially since I was looking at the 6 & 3 volumes on my shelf as I typed that.  How embarassing.  Thanks for catching that.

I don't understand the decision to release previously released Tweety and Sylvester cartoons. Why couldn't they have released shorts that were never released before? What about that one when Tweety transforms into a monster after drinking the Dr. Jekyll formula? Or what about that one that featured only Sylvester and those two dog buddies when that wildcat escapes and the big dog keeps getting beat up by it and thinking it was Sylvester causing the damage? Or what about that one when Sylvester is making all these inventions? Or the ones with Sylvester and his spoiled brat son?

Warner Brothers inexplicably is dragging its Looney Tunes franchise down the tubes after doing such a stellar job with the Golden Collection releases. Needlessly cropping post-1954 cartoons, releasing double-dip sets, holding back other classics like "Racketeer Rabbit" ... where does it end? I'd like to know what idiot is in charge of these decisions, as well as the idiot or idiots that put this idiot in charge. I'd love to hear the asinine explanation behind these recent horrible decisions in its entirety simply for the sake of posterity.

If WB were to release 1003 LT/MM cartoons, I would purchase 1003 LT/MM cartoons. But I am not going to purchase 3,000 (or whatever number) cartoons to get the 1003. At the end of the Golden Collections run, WB assured us that there would continue to be future LT/MM releases with no double dipping for people who had been buying the Golden Collections. What happened to that assurance?

OK, so they end up putting these on Warner Archive. How many "new to the format" cartoons do we get before someone at WB pulls the plug on that, leaving customes stranded once again? I am supposed to be motived to start collecting with the Warner Archive? Not!

Yes, the Golden Collections should have been chronological. They weren't, but I was happy to get what we were getting along with the quality that we were getting. Now, during the post Golden Collections era, the first two sets come out and we get cropping issues. The second two sets come out with double dipping. This is all headed in the wrong direction, unless you want to end LT/MM on DVD.

I have much interest in a complete collection of LT/MM. I am not interested in an endless number of re-releases for a grand total of one-half of the LT/MM cartoons.

Someone mentioned Jerry Beck. We would not have the LT/MM that we have without him. We all owe Mr. Beck a debt of gratitude. WB is the problem. They don't know how to handle their own property.

Joe, you said it best. ". . .it could have been so simple." 

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Originally Posted by ChrisALM 

If WB were to release 1003 LT/MM cartoons, I would purchase 1003 LT/MM cartoons. But I am not going to purchase 3,000 (or whatever number) cartoons to get the 1003. At the end of the Golden Collections run, WB assured us that there would continue to be future LT/MM releases with no double dipping for people who had been buying the Golden Collections. What happened to that assurance?

 

 

 

Yes, what DID happen to the “No Double-Dipping” declaration on Warner’s part? 

We seem to have gone 2 and 14/15 sets before they reneged on THAT, eh? 

I’d sure like to hear from someone at WHV on the subject.

There's just something wrong with the decision-makers involved in this.

Most of the other classic "comedy short subject" series (live or animated) have come out now at least trying to be complete and chronological:  The Three Stooges, The Little Rascals, the Disney cartoons, Woody Woodpecker, Popeye, even Droopy and Tom and Jerry (sort of) -- but there was never even an attempt at it by the greatest of them all, in many peoples' opinion, Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies.

I vote it the greatest lost opportunity in the history of the DVD!

And it's too late now.  I've had it with them.

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Originally Posted by Joe*A 
And I ask WB - why did you guys discontinue the Golden Collection? It was too good of a product to continue? Why give the consumer what they want? I don't get you guys.....

 

It's called slashing overhead.