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Is 1080p and lossless audio as good as home theatre will ever get?

post #1 of 8
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I was just wondering this. Now that we have full HD with 1920x1080p resolution and lossless audio, how much better can home theatre actually get?

 

Is there anything on the horizon (eg. say the next 5-10yrs) that is going to make all this investment in blu-ray and new receiver gear redundant?

 

I remember thinking nothing could beat DVD when I first saw it in 1999, but now blu-ray is just so much better. I hate to think in 5-10yrs I'll have to upgrade again (and keep buying the same movies in the next format!).

 

How much better can it actually get for the home theatre? 4k resolution for the visuals maybe? But how can they beat lossless audio?

post #2 of 8

NTSC was around for 50+ years.  ATSC formats should be around that long as well.

post #3 of 8

I've read where they're working on 4320P. 4 X 1080P.

 

Flat Panels will be even larger, and paper thin.

 

How about true 3-D as in holographics?

 

As for audio, I don't know how they can improve on lossless audio but who knows. Certainly more speakers are on the way. We already have height speakers. 12.1 maybe  ?

post #4 of 8

I know Philips has already introduced the 21:9 true Cinema LED/LCD Televisions that is using 2560x1080p as it native resolution.

Plus 3d soon will require no glasses at all this is why I refuse to buy into these new 3d sets that require $150-$200 glasses.

 

PC was tring to push extreme High Definition resolution that were much higher than 1920x1080 but i've heard little about it in quite some time.

This doesn't mean that eventually they will not use Extreme HD or maybe call it something else in the near future.

 

 

Sound as well will improve and has quite a bit.

New formats are surely to arise as well as 10.2 surround will be almost as standard as 5.1 is. "Ofcourse 1st it would require sound studios to record in 10.1 as of now the standard is 5.1".

Wireless is already here and much much better than it used to be and i'm sure will only get better.

Most of what I mentioned is here now but will only improve as time goes on.

 

The most important detail is when new technology hits it's usually stagnent becuase there's no consumer demand due to high pricing once this stuff drops in price it becomes a consumer demand.

In 1987 only people that had 5.1 were theaters and maybe some very wealthy people fast forward and now everyone can afford atleast a starter 5.1 system.


Edited by safesinger - 8/22/10 at 7:48am
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Thread Starter 

But it's one thing to say that 10.2 or whatever other sound improvements are coming. But how can home theatres actually cater for this?

 

Can you imagine you current living room or home theatre room with 10 speakers? I was lucky to find a house with a room large enough to fit 7 speakers, let alone 10! With the spacing, I'm finding it hard to see how much improvement can actually be discerned in the home theatre environment with a normal living space.

 

With video resolution, with screen sizes above 100 inches etc, higher resolutions will definitely give noticeable improvement, but the space needed on disks would be huge!

 

What's the actual resolution of film? Could probably google that, but I assume there wouldnt be much point in the home theatre environment to exceed the resolution of the source material?

post #6 of 8

Well film is only one piece of the puzzle today.

Now with home video and Video game market that is steadily growing into hollywood status $$$.

 

Things like Games will use resolution to it's maximum.

Movies are not the only thing to consider and remember technology grows so does camera equipment meaning they will use higher resolution if it's in demand.

 

This has always been the big bummer with any kind of technology it grows quickly and new components are quickly outdated.

Personally i've always stayed away from the newest and best not only because of price but because in a week or months time something better will come.

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I am wondering if the average human eye can tell the difference in anything better that 1080. I mean that in order to reap any noticeable benefits from a higher resolution on a big screen,  wouldn't you have to be so close to the screen that you wouldn't be able to see the whole picture. As we all know about SDE and seating distance, there is a threshold of diminishing returns.

 

I had a thought about giving pictures more depth using LCDs. Instead of one pixel being one crystal, what if the pixel was made of 3 crystals? A left, center and right, with the right raised slightly. A processor would slightly change the picture on the left and right crystal from the center crystals signal. This way a viewer could get a slightly different depth perception depending on his viewing angle. Using this idea would add depth if the lighting and shadows were in the mix.

 

As far as audio goes, if 80%(?) of the sound comes from the screen area, why do we only have 3 speakers up front and 4 surrounds. I would think they could do more with a Left, Center Top, Center Bottom, Right set up than having 2 rear surround. This way the sound would not only travel around the listener, but could also add vertical movement as well.

post #8 of 8

As far as 5.1 or even 7.1 sound is concerned Holman a professor and chief scientist at Audyssey Labs who actually used the words 5.1 has concluded that 5.1 is the minimum amount of channels needed to be on a picture.

 

As far as resolution is concerened the human eye is able to see the difference from 480 and 1080 and I have seen higher resolutions and can clearly see the difference.

Ofcourse this also depends on your vision if you have trouble seeing it won't matter anyhow.

And I've heard people say that there's no noticeable difference from 720p or 1080i but I can see differences myself.

It stands true that seating and distance will make a difference but from the stuff I have read and tried at home usually a decent distance away from 1080p looks alot better than right on top of it.

I've yet to read or search on how HD is seen by people with different vison I have 20/20 so I imagine this helps but not everyone has 20/20 vision so while i'd imagind HD makes a difference I doubt it would be as detailed as a person with 20/20 vision sees it.

So I take each persons study of a tv with a grain of salt..Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

Same with sound some hear better than others and will hear those little details others may not have the frequency to hear any more.

 

PC's have been using high resolutions for years long before TV inhertited the HD standard.


Edited by safesinger - 8/22/10 at 9:46am
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