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Take that, iPad!

post #1 of 172
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Android tablets from unusual sources:

 

http://micgadget.com/4733/the-badass-ipad-knockoff-thats-powered-by-android-2-1/

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind picking that one up.  I saw it on sale for $238, not sure of the shipping, but it's still on pre-order.

 

Hurry up legitimate vendors!

 

The entire micgadget site is actually pretty funny.  Well, maybe not so much if you're Steve Jobs.  KIRF stands for, "keepin' it real fake".

post #2 of 172

Nice.

 

post #3 of 172

Hmm... I wonder if my dad would be happy with a Fauxpad...

post #4 of 172

I'm wondering if it will run a VPN client...

post #5 of 172
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I caught the Seaparks reference in your sig because my wife and I are huge fans of The IT Crowd, but I only just noticed your avatar is Moss from the Bad Boys episode.

 

It turns out there are a crapload of Android tablets being produced in China, some that dupe the stylings of the iPad and others that are doing a more than passable job of mimicking functionality:

 

http://www.shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/tablets

 

So my questions is... why aren't we getting these in the States from the more established manufacturers?  What's the hold up?  If the general public's first experience with an Android pad device is the Augen Gentouch, it's gonna get a big black eye before it's even out of the gate.

post #6 of 172

Maybe Apple is hiring sea pirates to sink the ships with container-loads of the iPaddabes.

post #7 of 172
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Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo View Post

I caught the Seaparks reference in your sig because my wife and I are huge fans of The IT Crowd, but I only just noticed your avatar is Moss from the Bad Boys episode.

 

Great show.  Have family there.. and that's what Slingbox is really for ;)

 

I do have to admit, these knockoffs are potentially very interesting.  I've been struggling with 3 iPads back on my back bench to see if I can convert them and get a VPN client to run.. I have no problem getting an RDP client to go.. but managing to authorize to the VPN is the hitch, and so far not a lot of great answers.

 

There is supposedly a good Android VPN client.. If I could make these authorize to the PIX, and I know android has RDP, it would be awesome.

 

Price is right, wonder if I could find one to guinea pig with..
 

post #8 of 172
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Originally Posted by Hanson Yoo View Post

Android tablets from unusual sources:

 

http://micgadget.com/4733/the-badass-ipad-knockoff-thats-powered-by-android-2-1/

 

Actually, I wouldn't mind picking that one up.  I saw it on sale for $238, not sure of the shipping, but it's still on pre-order.


Like, for sale in the US for $238?  That doesn't make any sense. This is basically an Android phone with no phone but a much larger screen. And presumably an Android phone costs about $500+, given the two-yr contract subsidy.

 

iSuppli guesstimated the iPad manufacturing cost at $230 (16GB, wifi). 

 

That price doesn't seem right.

post #9 of 172
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I'm sure they're cutting costs using resistive instead of capacitive screens, 256MB RAM instead of 512MB, and, let's be frank, labor costs are probably lower.  And there's probably a lot of costs savings when you use off the shelf parts that are no longer cutting edge.

 

And who knows?  Maybe it falls apart in two days.

post #10 of 172

Is this a cheapo crap knockoff, or something I'd see in BestBuy?

 

 

 

I'm not familiar with the world of Chinese clones / knockoffs.

post #11 of 172
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If you wanted to buy this specific model, you'd have to import it.  If some distributor wanted to, they could import a bunch of these and re-badge them for sale at KMart or whatnot.  I think that's what the Augen Gentouch is.

post #12 of 172

That makes more sense. That's a pretty low-spec, basic feature device (built on free software). It will be interesting to see how these do.

post #13 of 172

As w/ most Chinese knockoffs, I'd recommend steering clear until they are actually ready for primetime, which may or may not ever happen.

 

But for myself, I'd be more interested in something that can do VPN w/ RDP as well although I'm not sure how much work I can actually get done w/out a real keyboard.

 

_Man_

post #14 of 172
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Originally Posted by Man-Fai Wong View Post

 

But for myself, I'd be more interested in something that can do VPN w/ RDP as well although I'm not sure how much work I can actually get done w/out a real keyboard.


http://www.wyse.com/products/software/pocketcloud/index.asp

 

The software is actually really impressive.  After a few weeks with it, I'm plowing through my remote sessions as quickly as I ever did with a physical keyboard, and it's zippier than the Winmo RDP client ever was.  Plus, I can have an 800 X 600 session scaled to fit my screen with no loss in readability.  The problem with full screen 800 X 480 is that I frequently get menus cut off at the bottom with no way to get at them.

post #15 of 172
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Here's a linkto the site that sells these tablets:

 

http://www.wiipad.us/

post #16 of 172

is this supposed to be an ipad killer?

 

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/toshibas-dual-screen-libretto-w100-laptop-on-sale-in-america-fo/

 

it seems to me to be the worst of both worlds

-no physical keyboard?  even the staunchest ipad supporters (me included) will concede that the typing sucks on it, and is the biggest thing that prevents it from being a total laptop replacement.

-2 small screens is not better than 1 big one

-it's in between pocket size and... well, ipad size :)

-PRICE --> $1,100?!?!?

 

 

-but then i've never had a nintendo DS or a netbook, so maybe it's for that market

 

the youtube clip is almost comical: "you want me, you need me!"

post #17 of 172

There's a whole of high-tech jammed into that gadget. But it feels like tech for the sake of tech without consideration for usefulness. More importantly, it's a "touch" device using an OS not fundamentally designed for touch.

post #18 of 172

With the prices of basic laptops dropping like a brick (seemingly to compete w/ netbooks and the onslaught of the cheaper, poorly designed/made tablets), think I'll probably just sit this battle out for an extra round or two until they all mature a good deal more (and maybe become more affordable as well).

 

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003N19784/ref=s9_simh_gw_p147_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1M05CJXFWY1BK0MMR2E5&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846

 

Dang!  At that price, I could get one for each kid in the family (for the price of a mid-level iPad that I'd actually care to own) -- and each can have his/her own "dedicated" 15" DVD player on roadtrips in the minivan.

 

How the heck are they slashing prices like that?  I hadn't paid attention, but did Microsoft recently slash OEM pricing on Windows 7?

 

_Man_

post #19 of 172

For $279 that seems like an excellent deal.  You are into netbook price territory but still have a full size laptop to work with.  15" is a nice compromise size.

 

Still, the parts are extremely flimsy, is only mono, it's full of bloatware (I consider WildTangent to be malware personally!), you don't get a reinstall disk, and its 6 pounds with a 3 hour battery life.  Are those downsides too much or not for you, that's what you'll have to decide.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WildTangent

http://www.pchell.com/support/wildtangent.shtml

 

Personally if I were to buy one for a family member I would nuke it from orbit with a clean Windows 7 install.

post #20 of 172

Oooh... so I guess Wild Tangent may be partially funding the price slash then -- maybe they're basically paying for part of the Windows 7 licensing costs given how it's built-in.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking of just getting one for the family to use -- and I'd only use it casually myself, particularly during very occasional roadtrips.  We could probably use some sort of mid-sized laptop anyway to go w/ a main desktop (or two), etc. besides eventually adding something like an iPad (or two?).

 

I originally thought about a netbook (before the iPad came along), but those things are rather clunky and unsatisfying IMHO.  To me, they're kinda in no-man's land territory.  Then again, I don't really need to do work on-the-go like some nor do I personally need (or care to use regularly) a 10" portable video player or similar -- actually, I'd think doing real work on a netbook would be painful, but maybe that's just me.  Most of this stuff would be more for general family use than anything in my case -- I'd only use it casually.  That's why the iPad (w/ some improvements) or something very similar would probably make sense for me/us.

 

I don't need a portable that lets me install Linux or anything like that -- heck, I had briefly toyed w/ that idea for our PS3, but never got any further than just toying w/ the idea although maybe I should do that now that the optical drive is "dead" anyway.   I would've gone for stuff like that once upon a time, but nowadays, time is just too precious -- and there are waaaay more interests than I have time -- to spare on that sort of geeky stuff (not that I don't geek out on all sorts of other stuff of course).

 

Anyway, as some might put it, we don't really need a portable that basically pretends to replace a desktop or the like by trying to do everything that a desktop can.  If the iPad has already fully matured, then it just might very well serve to replace the need for a laptop in my family -- we'd probably just need to add a hard keyboard and such for certain things (to be done at home).  Heck, the family has been using my iPod Touch for some casual stuff as it is -- and the iPad would probably also suit people like our parents, who are hopelessly computer illiterate.

 

_Man_


Edited by ManW_TheUncool - 8/17/10 at 10:50am
post #21 of 172

This would be good to have in the kitchen to be able to look up recipes, create a grocery list, etc. It is basically a striped down Acer Aspire laptop.

 

post #22 of 172
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Here's a real contender for the tablet market from Samsung:

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/202347/let_the_samsung_galaxy_tablet_hype_begin.html

 

Here's a teaser trailer:

 

 

If they sell these for $400 without contract, I'm all over this puppy.  My one complaint about the iPad is that it's too big and heavy -- a lighter tablet you can hold in one hand that plays widescreen movies in almost full screen is much more appealing to me.

 

If they're going to force me to purchase through a carrier with a data plan or the price is north of $400, there's always this $300 wifi only option:

 

http://cruztablet.com/tablet.php 


Edited by Hanson - 8/24/10 at 11:45pm
post #23 of 172
Aren't tablets officially prohibited for Android 2.2 and enforced by blocking them from the Marketplace?

So how's an iPad competitor going to fare with no "AppStore"?
post #24 of 172
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The core Google apps outside of the OS, notably the Market app, have to be licensed from Google (the Augen Gentouch was pulled from stores for violating this stipulation). I assume Samsung has paid that licensing and will have full Market access. However, the language in the Cruz tablet website seems to indicate no official market access. That does not mean that you cannot sideload apk's, and I believe you can install appbrain to take care of that anyway.  So you should be able to get around this limitation with the Cruz tablet with a little know how.  I haven't found a single app I've downloaded from the Market that isn't already available from appbrain.

 

EDIT:  Not sure about appbrain, but there is a site called SlideME that allows you to download the apk files for sideloading.  NOt as comprehensive as Marketplace or Appbrain, but it covers most of your needs.


Edited by Hanson - 8/25/10 at 12:50am
post #25 of 172

I'm just going with what I've read elsewhere: no "Markeplace" for Android 2.2 tablets (Android 3.0 is for tablets).

 

If this is the case, compare the iPad, where any idiot can trivially go to the iTunes store and buy games and apps and music, to this tablet where you have to be an Android geek to know the places you can and cannot shop. This is not a recipe for success. This isn't me being a fanboy in any way, it's just tablestakes. How do you compete with the iPad if you start with a confusing app system?

 

If none of that is right, if this tablet has immediate access to the main and other Android appstores, then I take it all back :)

post #26 of 172
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I highly. highly doubt that the Cruz Tablet will gain any traction.  In fact, I can guarantee it will plagued with enough issues that only techie geeks (and perhaps their spouses) will find any real enjoyment from it.  Between the price and the means of the manufacturer, it's almost certain that it's not going to be a polished, mass market product.

 

The Galaxy tablet is another story -- it is almost a given that Samsung will be releasing a full featured, mass market device, and that means Marketplace access.  Note that the Dell Streak, which is more tablet than phone (and is marketed as such) has full Market access.

 

But the bottom line is price -- the Galaxy tablet, if marketed and priced correctly, will be a less expensive alternative to the iPad.  And for people like me, the smaller form factor makes it a more attractive option (also, being inside of Apple's wall-garden makes the iPad a non-starter for me).

 

If the Galaxy tablet isn't able to access the Marketplace, the only hope is for Samsung to create and maintain their own app marketplace.  This might not be as terrible as it sounds for casual users, provided they carry all the bit hitters, and geeks can work around it anyway.

post #27 of 172

The "cruz" and "galaxy" aren't the same thing? You've got a video to the Galaxy and a link to a cruz: I took it they were the same product. I'm already confused by the Android tablets and none have even launched yet :D

 

Bottomline is price, until people find they can't buy Angry Birds or GPS apps or whatever they want because Android 2.2 tablets are blocked from the main app store.

 

It seems that all pre-3.0 tablets are just going to make a mess of things.

post #28 of 172
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Oh no -- the Cruz Tablet is from a company called Velocity Micro.  The Galaxy Tablet is from Samsung.  Two separate products.  Sorry if my wording confused you.  I was trying to say that if the Galaxy tab was too expensive or required a data plan, my fallback was the Cruz Tablet.

post #29 of 172

Apple's in trouble now! A rumored tablet is rumored to compete with Apple's rumored iPad!

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20100827PD209.html

 

post #30 of 172
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The Galaxy tablet is not a rumor.  It's real.  It's the one I linked to above. 

 

The 7" iPad?  Now that's a rumor.  But likely to be released.

 

Now here's a rumored tablet:

 

http://tablets-planet.com/2010/08/22/googles-chrome-os-tablet-will-feature-what-kind-of-screen/

 

Here's some speculation on iPad marketshare:

 

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/acer_ipad_will_drop_to_20_of_tablet_market_losing_to_open_android/

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